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How do I bring up intimacy issues without making my partner feel pressured?

My girlfriend, 29F, and I, 31M, have been together for just over two years.

From the beginning of our relationship until around the 8–10 month mark, we had an amazing sex life. I could initiate, she would initiate, we would make out for no reason etc., and things felt passionate and mutual.

After about a year, that basically disappeared. She no longer initiates anywhere near as often, and I get rejected around 95% of the time. We are intimate at the absolute most once every 1-2 weeks, and even when we are, it does not feel as enjoyable or connected as it used to. She usually does not want foreplay, does not want to do new things like change positions, and does not want to spend as much time cuddling or holding each other afterward. She has self-admitted that’s she’s a pillow princess and genuinely doesn’t think that’s an issue at all.

She really enjoys it when we are intimate and always tells me how good I am at satisfying her and getting her to finish, but it feels more like once-every-few-weeks scheduled sex where we both just get off, rather than a deep intimate moment between bonded partners.

I love her and care for her deeply, so I have tried talking to her about it and explaining how important intimacy is to me. When I do, she says she’s feeling pressured and things like, “sex is all you care about,” “it’s normal for things to slow down,” or “it’s not unusual for that to happen when we live together, compared to the beginning when we were only seeing each other a few times a week.”

I told her I do not believe that is universally true, and my desire and love for her has only increased since we moved in together. The other night, I could tell she was getting frustrated during this conversation, and she said, “We have our whole lives together to be intimate. I don’t want to burn the candle out too quickly.”

That really hurt, because it made me feel like she is rationing intimacy and affection with me.

She is someone who has had a much more promiscuous past than I did when we were younger, including a previous marriage which ended because they became more like roommates and had zero intimacy, the exact same scenario I’m trying to avoid. On its own and at the beginning this was not a dealbreaker, and I am not trying to judge her for it, but combined with the fact that she no longer seems to view physical connection with her committed partner of two years who loves and takes care of her every day, as important, is concerning.

She does not take any medications. She is naturally a more wound up and “stressy” type-A person but she has always been that way and it never affected intimacy during the first year of our relationship.

She has a temper, and when she’s upset she speaks very contemptuously to anyone around her, including myself, which honestly is a pretty big issue for me because the way you speak to your partner, especially when stressed or upset, matters, and we get into fights because I don’t tolerate it.

I also do as much as I can to take most of the mental load of our shared responsibilities onto myself. I clean, do laundry, run errands, and go grocery shopping. I’m the one who does the cooking and she loves what I make for her. I hide notes around the house like a scavenger hunt that lead to small gifts with short letters telling her how much I love her. Sometimes I leave notes in her car before she goes to work or in the house for when she gets back. I brush her hair and give her shoulder rubs for no reason. I buy her flowers every few weeks. We have a massage table and she gets at least one or two full-body massages a week.

There is another related issue in the relationship: I feel like I am the one who always says “yes,” and she is the one who says “no.”

Whatever she wants to do, whether it is at home or going somewhere, I usually say yes. If she wants me to watch a movie with her, go out with her friends, go shopping for three or four hours, or do basically anything else, I will. I say yes not because I really want to do those things, but because I love how happy it makes her when we do them together. But if I ask for some effort on her part and for us to do something that I want, even as small as watching a movie that I pick, there is always an excuse. She is too tired, does not have time, would rather be on her phone, or she will get upset and just flat out say no because she does not want to.

If I bring up that I do a lot of the things she wants to do, she gets upset and says I am “holding them over her.” I am not trying to do that. I am just wondering where the reciprocation is. To me, taking at least minimal interest in your partner’s hobbies and activities, even if only to make them happy, is part of a normal healthy relationship.

Regarding intimacy directly, we could spend the whole day out doing fun things, playfully flirting and teasing each other, and as soon as we get home, if I try to initiate, it flips and she says I am pressuring her too much and that she is tired and not in the mood. I am in good shape, and she tells me she is attracted to me and compliments me all the time, as I do to her.

In between normal intimacy, if she is feeling stressed, she will occasionally ask me to “help her,” which means she wants me to get her off without expecting anything in return. It functions more as stress relief after work than mutual intimacy. I say yes to this because I care about her and want her to be able to rely on me to satisfy her needs, but if I ever slowly work up to asking her to “help me” as a last resort when we have not been intimate for multiple weeks, she gets upset and says it feels degrading to her, and that I am “reducing her to a sexual object.”

All of this makes me feel more like a butler than an equal partner. She does not seem to place much importance on giving back to me in any area of the relationship.

I care deeply for her as a person, and things are amazing in every other area, which is why I’m trying to make the relationship to work for me. She gets along great with my family and friends. Our humor, personalities, and interests match really well. She tells me she appreciates me and everything I do, that I am the best thing that’s ever happened to her, and we say we love each other every day. But I cannot keep being a partner who only gives without any reciprocation.

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u/StubbornHusky46 — 2 days ago

Do you guys just be asking girls that they are friends with or getting to know for nudes?

I’m (M21) probably not the sound a bit stupid but I’m very inexperienced and recently I was kind of thinking how like it seems like most of the guys I’m friends with ask women for nudes if they’ve been talking and getting to know each other, and the girls that I know seem to say that they just get random texts like that

I know if they do that then they’re obviously horny but like do people just really text that out of nowhere cause that just seems crazy?

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u/nachosmade — 3 days ago

Why do I not have a lot of friends? Am I just ugly?

I try to talk to people, but I never really get invited out. Most of the time I feel like people treat me with pity rather than mutual respect. When I do get invited out, I don’t feel included either. Is this just anxiety or am I really an ugly and friendless person?

u/United_Occasion4822 — 7 hours ago

How can I quit wanting women's attention?

So I'm 28M. I've recently realised that female attention means everything to me. I'd be fine to lose my job, to be homeless and to have no one in my life but I'd be devastated if I attract 0 female attention.

2 months ago I broke up with my ex and started going out more and trying to meet new people. It feels really good when I'm in a social situation and getting some attention from girls. For me it even feels better than sex. For this reason, I just want to party every weekend now.

I've always been like this and I believe the reason for this is because I was ugly and very skinny until the age of 21 (I remember one girl saying I looked weird when i was 17). Then I started working out, doing skincare, learning how to dress, getting tattoos, practicing talking to people, even wearing braces and going through some micro surgeries. Something incredible happened - girls started noticing me or even talking to me without me trying to initiate a conversation first, and the best part is, I could take them home much more easily than ever. All I wanted but never got during puberty now comes to me without me putting much effort into it. First time felt like my life was worth living.

Fast forward now, 7 years later I'm still chasing that female attention even after having gone on more than 200 dates and slept with more than 50 women. Even though I know I'm now fairly attractive I still want to sleep with more women because that's the only way I can prove myself that I'm worth something, my existence is not without meaning. This urge to try to find my own value in women has led me to a lot of questionable decision making. People prioritise career, family, studies whatever, it seems to me that the only thing I care about and truly want is this trivial thing that doesn't even matter to most men.

How can I stop craving female attention? If anyone has gone through this please share your story and any advice is appreciated. Thank you for reading this post

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u/Mediocre-Yoghurt6706 — 22 hours ago

1st date and also hooked up, do you text the girl afterwards?

Lets say you spent the night and leave in the morning,
Do u text that girl same day?
Do u disappear?
Do you wait for her?

Is it true 99%of men would text immediately after if they liked the girl?

What if the man didn't text at all the same day/night
What does it mean for the girl

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u/Friendly_Ratio_3383 — 4 days ago

I’m 24 and fear I might be low testosterone any tips?

This is an issue I’ve thought about in the back of my head for a decent bit of time now.

I’m 24 and have always been sort of skinny, I grew up in an environment where my mom did mostly everything for me and I’ve been surrounded by women most of my life. Never been very assertive and have been able to grow good facial/body hair (the hair on my head is pretty soft and not too thick) and I’ve always had pretty clear skin without too much acne naturally. My voice is pretty deep however. Also I work out very consistently. 4-6 days of high intensity weight lifting weekly, I have a good albeit still sort of thin physique with good tone but not much mass or body hair, but pretty strong for my size (6’4” 185 lbs and can hit 205 on bench and 315 on squat for example). Plus I don’t drink more than once or twice a week.

Recently I’ve been sleeping less, which in my very basic research I’ve learned can stunt test production. That paired with a diet of mostly processed and a persistent marijuana habit that I kicked about a month ago after around 6 years of daily usage. Also had an adult video habit that wasn’t a daily thing by any means but was pretty consistent in my mid to late teens and went to about once a week until I stopped completely around 6 months ago. I have a hard time getting rid of facial fat even with a pretty low body fat percentage as well.

I’m not sure if I’m just panicking or there’s something here. I’ve also been seeing a girl who’s on a hormonal SSRI and I’ve read that those make you attracted to low-T men. There’s been an intimacy issue or two but only when alcohol has been involved.

Is this something that I should get looked at? With diet and sleep improvements I’m sure I can get to better levels naturally (getting good consistent sleep and eating better has made me feel much better about it in the past), but I’m afraid I’m my baseline is getting fried. Any advice is appreciated

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u/tubsvstheworld — 1 day ago
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I'm realizing, very late in life, what a loser I've been. I've been lazy, smoked pot, and let my mood get carried away.

Just lost a good job about 6 months ago, lost my girlfriend of 2 years about 3 weeks ago.

I am broke, and only have a part time job. My only experience in life is basically as a bookkeeper or accounting clerk, or hotel worker.

I don't have any assets just a 2018 sedan that's paid off, which is maybe worth 10k.

What would you do to begin to get your life back in order from this position? I really need advice.

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u/Psalm_of_Asaph — 8 days ago

Its not about sex, its rejection.

The frequency of sex is mostly irrelevant to me. It doesnt even matter if she happens to want it in the moment. I am not allowed to initiate. Its not a rule, just a fact of my marriage that has been true for 20 years. Endless counselors.

I can count on one hand the number of times I was in the mood and initiated sex. I could count the number of salt crystals in a box of Morton the times I have tried to initiate and been rejected.

The only thing that counseling helped with is that she stopped trying to make me feel like a shallow perverted fiend and just now goes to ick x10 when I try. A week later she initiates again.

I am just looking for others that know what this is.

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u/maple-shaft — 4 days ago
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How can I learn to love?

I’m 21M and life is going so so, honestly have had multiple chances to be in a relationship or give it a try at the least. But out of a mix of paranoia, not really feeling like I need one and honestly having goals that leave me without the time or resources for a woman i really don’t feel I need one tbh.

The only time I ever think “damn I want a gf” is when I’m horny but aside from dat tbh I see the whole thing as just a headache. Lately tho I’ve met a girl who fits a lot of the criteria for what I want in a woman and although I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a catch myself I’m very selective.

To me there’s no point in having a girl if I’m not attracted to her or at the very least happy to be around her just to say I have one. But the point is, how do I learn to be open and vulnerable with this girl? And build a semblance of trust and connection you want in a partner?

I find it hard to love and trust a woman tbh. No I’m not gay or asexual, honestly I do enjoy being around her, but there’s parts of me dat stop me from wanting to “love” her tbh. Any advice?

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u/Xodia444 — 2 days ago

I want to abandon my kids

I am 42M and was previously married to 41F who we will call Susan. We have 2 kids. We married roughly 7 years ago in 2019. When we married, I was a high earner and Susan was a self described bohemian. By bohemian I mean she did not have a job and lived a hippie lifestyle on her parent's dime. She was formerly dating someone just like her but her parents pushed her to break up and settle down with someone more stable then I entered the picture. (May be important to note that she did attempt to unalive after that breakup). I am very rational and high achieving. My family is very well off but they disowned me long ago so I have been self made since teen years. My mom is emotionally manipulative and abusive so I think I am a bit of a people pleaser. I have high expectations of myself and sometimes can be described as a workaholic and also a doormat/enabler. 

When Susan and I first married, she was having an emotional affair with her ex, the vagabond. I told her very matter of factly that she either needs to stop or she can be with the vagabond if that is what she wanted. Now in hindsight I realize she just wanted my financial security but at the time I took everything at face value. Fast forward a couple years and we now have 2 kids, she is a stay at home mom, and I work about 60 hours a week. I am in a trade and work irregular shifts, forced overtime, and have to travel for work. Susan has bipolar and adhd and had previously struggled with opioid addiction before we met. She was not at all thriving as a stay at home mom. I would come home to a messy house, empty wine bottles, and kids on the tablet. I tried everything I could to help her- I did all the dishes, all the laundry, and took care of bath and dinner etc as soon as I got home and on my days off. I woke for all the nighttime feedings when the kids were babies, because she would sleep through a bomb. She is a very emotional person and would resort to physically hitting me in arguments. I never laid a hand on her. I am a 6'3 muscular guy and she is a tiny woman and she definitely played the victim "no one would believe I could win a fight against YOU". 

Well, needless to say, I was miserable. This misery went on for a couple years and I guess having an emotionally abusive mother I just accepted that this is all I deserved. Until I reunited with an old ex from decades ago by chance. I went to high school with her and she was in town for a work conference. We met up and instantly felt like the old days. I felt like myself again. It was like life was suddenly worth living again. We kept in touch on social media and eventually we did have an affair. I am not making excuses and I am not saying it was justified or OK.

Susan found out and was understandably upset. She threatened to unalive herself. She told me she was going to unalive me and burn down the house. She threatened to unalive my animals. She hit me (I never hit back). She trashed my car, threw out my belongings, the whole nine yards. This was not isolated. This went on for months. Back and forth of us trying to reconcile and her losing her mind. What it came down to: if Susan wanted a divorce I said I would give her a few years to figure things out first, I would pay for her to get a degree, and I would let her stay with the kids in the house and I would move out. Susan took the kids and left to her parents house. 

So we started the divorce process. I am not exaggerating when I say I may have had the worst divorce out there. She had 2 lawyers "fire" her, she tried suing her former lawyer, my lawyer stated he had never dealt with a worse human being than Susan in her decades long career. Remember I said Susan took the kids and left to her parent's house? Well I guess I should have made more of a scene at that time because apparently the judges choose to favor the status quo. I would spend time with the kids but remember I still work 60 hours a week and she still doesn't work outside the home. So in the little free time I had, I would see the kids.

After the first weekend with the kids, she made false sexual abuse allegations. I would never do anything like that to any kid, it was completely out of left field and I think she knew that. But it was enough of a scare for me that I backed off spending time with the kids. Another issue was if I was 15 minutes early or 15 minutes late for my scheduled time, she called the police for "kidnapping" because it wasn't an "approved time". This was enough for me to just pause on seeing the kids till the divorce and orders were finalized. I thought the divorce would be quick and things would calm down soon. It was not quick. But it turned out to be about 3 months of me not seeing the kids. As soon as I did have ordered time, she would make up illnesses or issues on their return. Examples being signing the kids up for therapy "because of the trauma of having to be around OP". I understand and agree with therapy in the setting of a high conflict divorce, but she was always very explicit to say it was "due to the time they spend with OP". Another example is when I do pick up the kids, she follows me around road raging and tailing me in her lifted truck. She has a PI parked outside my house at all times just to intimidate me. She somehow hacks into my accounts (I have no idea how but she has family in law enforcement) and takes money or shuts off my utilities. 

She hits and punches me in front of the kids at handoffs. On top of all of this she is a white supremacist Trump voter who is a bit of a social media addict. She has a huge following online and she posts all the time "horror stories" about her "abusive ex" where she basically lies about stuff for the likes and hearts. It is taking its toll on me for sure. 

I have vacillated back and forth about how to proceed. Now I have SPO and joint conservatorship, but she is the primary parent (purely because my work schedule prohibits it). I do not think she is a fit parent. My lawyer says it would be difficult but not impossible to flip custody at this time due to the status quo of them being with  her as primary for over a year. The bigger obstacle, however, is that my work schedule would mean that the kids would be raised by nannies if I had primary since I am estranged from my family. I had convinced myself that a parent (her) was better than a nanny, but I am not sure anymore. Another issue, and where I expect I will be raked over the coals in the comments, is the simple fact that I do not know if I want more time. I am happy for the first time in my life. The more time I spend with the kids, the more she invents drama and issues. My presence seems to bring out the absolute worst in Susan. I find myself thinking that everyone would be better off if I just disappeared. When I do see the kids, they are happy and well adjusted (surprisingly). I think Susan's mom is raising them and has them a vast majority of the time. And I am not ashamed to admit that I just do not want Susan in my life anymore and think she will continue to torture me until the kids are 18 or until I disappear. 

Anyone been through something similar? When does the torture end? Are my kids toast? Will she ever stop her shit? Do I deserve this?

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u/Ok-Cry-3979 — 7 days ago

Are mixed signals from a man an answer in and of itself?

I need a guy's opinion on this.

I asked a man out in the gym. We texted and he seemed interested to the point where he said " I'm glad you said something, I thought you were really cute".

I stopped texting when it felt ​like I was putting in more effort than he was. I've moved on but I wonder, are mixed signals from a man an answer in and of itself?

I suggested a gym date and he didn't follow up with a date/time.

Have you ever been interested in a girl and also not put in the effort? Is that possible?

For context I'm in my late 30s and he's probably in his mid 30s.

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Hey I'm 26M Single, Not Seeking anyone, Is it Normal?

Like my title says, I'm 26M, a normal person in Sales and with decent salary. At this age I'm often compared with others on being single, as I neither have gf nor am I married. The thing is whenever I see anyone the first thing comes to my mind is how poor I am financially and then secondary my past on how I was treated.

I am not finding any remedy, I have accepted my fate and tbh even if I'm not happy I'm having a life which most ppl are running after in their early 20s.

The Only question is that is it Normal?, I am not seeking anyone and neither am I interested but my parents and peers says you shouldn't be like this, and complaint about being under Confidence and all....

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u/NoAwkwardSilence — 5 days ago
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I (mid-20s) got out of a 9-year relationship and started seeing a guy casually for about 2 weeks. It escalated *very* fast—constant texting, meeting often, making out, eventually having sex multiple times. The chemistry was great, but everything else was chaotic.

From the beginning, he was intense and contradictory:

* Said we were “casual” but told me not to talk to other people

* Kept insisting I was in love with him, even when I said I wasn’t

* Made me say “I love you” during sex and later used it as proof

* Talked about me needing to “pass level one” (him) before meeting his parents

* Asked me to be less ambitious and not leave India

* Made comments about my past (me being “used”) and my culture

After we got physically involved, he suddenly:

* Said he wanted a relationship

* Wanted to meet my parents before he got transferred (he has a transferable job)

* Then broke things off citing “cultural differences” (he’s a north indian kshatriya)

I even went to return something he gave me, but ended up bringing him home and he met my parents anyway. The dynamic was honestly all over the place.

There were also red flags:

* Ignored physical boundaries at times

* Got aggressive (hit my head while “teaching,” threatened to drop me off his vehicle and did)

Towards the end, I tried to get clarity and maybe came across a bit clingy because he was being inconsistent. The very next day—after things seemed fine—we met for another of my lessons and he was cool in the beginning but soon became rude and started hitting my head from behind, to which I talked back,he blocked me everywhere without explanation.

Now I’m left feeling confused and kind of humiliated, especially because I said things I didn’t mean in the moment just to go along with the intensity.

I don’t think I’m in love with him—I think I miss the attention and the physical connection. But I genuinely don’t understand the abrupt blocking after everything.

Was I actually “too much,” or is this just a pattern with people like this?

PS: guys, i do not regret the sex. It was AMAZING! I just don't get this sudden high and then this sudden low. One day he would want to marry me (which I didn't really want) and the next he would call me and tell me that he feels disgusted that another man has touched me when his own bodycount exceeds 15+. He would try to convince me how nobody cares about a man's past and a woman's future, only the man's future matters while the woman's past is what gets her respect in a society. (he would say his was bright since he is a finance bro) And the getting blocked everywhere bit is what has been bothering me. Also, i miss the sex. He is a great lover. I miss that. Nothing else, not even him.

Everytime he would talk I would dissociated because conversations with him were killing my libido. Then he would say I have adhd. I just wanted him for his body.

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u/SaitamaSeasoning — 9 days ago

Honest question seeks honest answer

I understand this is not for everyone. Please read and give me your thoughts.

I’m in the early stages of building a men’s peer support nonprofit. It’s not meant to be therapy. It’s just men in a circle being honest with each other. The group meets locally in the Chicago burbs.

Now here’s where I need your opinion. I attended a mens retreat several years ago. As part of the stripping away of all the armors, masks and fronts that men put, we literally took our clothes off and stood there naked, physically, which was a doorway into being naked emotionally. Being naked in front of others is the most vulnerable. A man can be. It was 100% non-sexual. It was about pulling back the curtain and discovering that every man in that circle is carrying the same thing you are. When a man can stand in front of his brothers with nothing left to hide behind, the walls he has spent a lifetime building start to come down. It was very powerful and a few men, broke down over the course of the weekend.

I am thinking of incorporating this into the retreat for this nonprofit. Again, it’s non-sexual and is designed to be uncomfortable, so men have nothing left to hide behind and will open up to see other men are dealing with similar issues.

Here’s my question to men of this group: If you knew you would leave the weekend a changed man, and that you would work through issues that you’ve kept hidden deep inside for no one to see, would you go through with a ceremony like this?

Please save the rude comments. This has nothing to do with gay or straight. Men all over the world hang out naked with friends, from the Japanese onsen, to Finnish sauna to Turkish baths. Even in America, we had communal showers at most gyms and at the YMCA bathing suits were forbidden for men until the 1960’s, when women started becoming members.

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u/Monkey_inthewoods — 4 days ago

(Hypothetical) Would it be a cop-out if I brought my first date to my dad’s restaurant?

This has been in my head for a long time and maybe I’m overthinking this, but would it be cheap of me to invite my first date to my dad’s restaurant? I have another place in mind as well, if it is. But I really enjoy inviting people to my personal life and show them what goes on, so bringing a date there would be that invitation.

But I worry it may come across as avoiding commitment or proper planning. I genuinely think our food is great, all of my friends who’ve gone there love it, we’ve even won awards. This would be my version of putting someone on.

What do you guys and gals think?

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u/RefinedBerrySalad — 6 days ago

How do I fix my libido?

I am a 25 year old guy and for the past 1 year, I have noticed some changes in my sexual habits.

My libido has gone down a lot. I don't feel the urge to masturbate or have sex that much. I dont get turned in that much. I need physical stimulation most of the time to get turned on. I mostly get 80% erection and need to work a lot to reach 100%. I can't maintain that full Erection for long either. not even during foreplay. I do not smoke, drink or take any drugs or meds. I don't have any stress or depression either. No performance anxiety. Nor am I fat. I am staying far from porn or any explicit content for the past few months. What could be the reason for this issue?

Until 1 year ago, I used to get frequent and random Erections, which I seem to have lost. I used to get turned on just via simple thoughts for like a couple of seconds or just by seeing someone attractive around me. I used to get morning erections (i still get them sometimes but not every single day). Idk why my libido has completely gone down. My lifestyle hasn't changed much, so how did this change occur? I want to return to my earlier stage with healthy libido.

Went to a doc got t levels checked. They're fine. Went to 2 docs they said nothing is particularly wrong with me. But I can feel drastic difference in my sexual drive from what it used to be a year ago.

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u/weak-pee-pee — 1 day ago

Brothers, lately I feel more and more isolated. Life pressure and stress has me isolated, without close friends. As a married man that spent years "grinding" for financial stability, and pushing through life stress I found myself without friends or anyone to share the struggle with. My wife is a wonderful person and has always been there, but I need me some masculine energy... Just bros being bros!

I'm sure I'm not the only one. A lot of us are out here married, working hard, handling our business... but quietly missing that crew of solid guys to talk to, vent with, laugh with, and push each other to be better.

I want to start a small, close-knit community for the bois, it doesnt matter what your age is, or where youre from, or what your struggles are, if youre a man that is looking to connect with other good men, then you're welcome!

Now, I dont have a solid definition of what "it" is, and im hoping we can define it together as it grows. But I know what I dont want "it" to be...

It is not a place to hate on women. My wife is wonderful and I know many of you have great partners too. this is about lifting up men, not tearing anyone else down.

It is not a political echo chamber or debate club.

It is not another massive 1000+ member community that turns into noise and toxicity. I want to keep this tight, high-quality, and real. Quality over quantity.

If this connects with you, comment or send me a DM and lets work it out from there!

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u/sir_t9awed — 11 days ago

As I’m growing up, I feel more masculine and willing to be a provider along side my dad. I look up to him and see him as a role model. But I just have one gripe and it’s that he doesn’t shut down people trying to exploit him soon enough. Not to say he doesn’t shut it down at all, but I just don’t want to get to that point.

I try to provide the best I can because I truly enjoy it. I work in my dad’s cafe, pay for my friend’s food (not always), and I even helped a buddy move to an apartment down the street when asked at the last minute.

When I start putting myself out there and possibly go on dates, what is one of the best ways to show I provide without the lady seeing it as an opportunity to exploit me?

And a second question—how do I clock that she’s willing to reciprocate?

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u/RefinedBerrySalad — 12 days ago

I believe women who say “yearn for me” are being dishonest

Before I begin the rant. I did want to say I’ve mentally recovered from the past rant I had. It’s a lot more loaded than this one will be. I will attach and cross post it for reference, but I do not wish to get into that and will ignore any comment about it.

Anyways

I believe some women that say “yearn” for them is a trap. This is not from a place of hate, but this is a pattern that I keep seeing.

Most of us guys hear that and interpret it as essentially a shit test to see how fast we fold. You respect a man more if his time and energy is earned, not just given. Don’t tell me you’re attracted to a guy who puts you on a pedestal when you know full well you overlook him and seek attention from other guys who don’t for that very reason. I just think this yearn/simp stuff is to weed guys out subconsciously while living in delululand.

If we’re actually dating, I’ll show you my ways that I desire you and actually care, but I’m not gonna be blowing up your phone nor foregoing every single second of my time all damn day. You want a Jason Mamoa looking guy who acts like a real life Michael Jackson lyric from the jump.

You know full well if a decent guy started talking crazy about “the only one I want is you” etc you’d lose attractive fast. That’s just fucking weird. No, I don’t need to hear about “oh I’ll allow it” that’s even worse and more telling of how you think. You’re okay with it but deep down you lose respect for the guy

I understand if we’re both seeking a relationship, we both want to get to that point but it takes time and multiple interactions to get there. Treating you like a celebrity from the first impression simply makes me a fan who you don’t care about. You need to stop acting like every guy has to act like husband on day one, that’s not how it works, it’s why you keep passing up every decent guy for the smallest things. That’s not a relationship, that’s validation seeking.

Stop it. The fantasy stuff needs to stop because we know that being a sucker from the jump instantly loses attraction.

If you’re gonna disagree with me, at least you’ll know where I’m coming from

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u/motionf0rw4rd — 6 days ago

I don't understand women. Today I saw a good looking woman with a short fat guy. And its not the first time. And I am sure he wasn't rich or smart. So maybe funny and a job is enough?

And how can you love and trust what you do not understand?

It means every guy is your competition not just hot or rich ones.

It also means we are doomed as a species because women do not select for good genes anymore.

It also means being rich, going to university, dress well or going to the gym to get fit is useless.

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u/Annual_Geologist_337 — 5 days ago