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My wife and I were invited to a dinner. We are not a couple that shows public affection. You will never even see us holding hands because we like to keep our romance behind the walls. That evening she wore a very low neck, and since she is busty, there was a whole lot of boobage on display!

I did not realize that I was staring at them but a lot of people noticed. She came up to me and whispered, "Would you please stop staring at my tits?" I apologized and got busy with the other men but when dinner was served, I was looking at them again. It is instinctive reaction and something I can not really help! She is a lovely woman, specially in that area so I was thinking it should not be a big deal since we are married.

She came up to me and said, "Could you please cut it out? you are constantly staring at me!" I felt a bit snubbed. I bid an early farewell to the party and sat out in the car. She came out after cutting her own stay short and while we were driving home, she said that I did not need to create a scene. I told her that I do not need your permission to find you attractive!

She said that she appreciated that I am attracted to her and it is very flattering, specially in front of her friends because they all find it cute but I need to be careful.

I told her that we are married and I do no need see any issues here. Most married men check out other women and here I am being disciplined for checking out my own wife! She said that it is not my eyes that she minds, but when I am looking at her, then the whole party looks into the direction where I am staring and that causes everyone eyes on her cleavage. She said "people were following your gaze and then were looking at my tits and then your eyes and then my tits and then your eyes and my tits!"

I was quite upset because when she told me to cut it out, I felt that a few of her friends realized what was going on and they were suppressing their laugh. I felt like I did not need to be disciplined like that and if she had just sat there and allowed me my moment of admiration, then no one would care. Men would see her and understand exactly why I married her and women would say "Oh he is so into her!" Either ways it would not have been a big deal.

Anyway, we argued all the way back and I felt that she was actually enjoying that argument? Like me insisting that I will look and her saying no you cant! I dont know but I felt like she was getting kicks of power out of that?

We got home and I went to bed pretty ticked off but she woke me up and said she does not want me to go to sleep angry and she is grateful to have me as her husband. Then she made love to me. It was totally her initiative but the sex was great. I really needed that so no complaints.

Anyway, we woke up this Sunday (two days back) and she was back to her normal self again like nothing happened. No apology or further discussion like nothing happened. She was caring like making my favorite food and being affectionate but I am still unsure where that issue stands. I am not sure if I should bring it up? Since things are back to normal I do not want to start an argument but I am just wondering ... do I just let it go???

Do women find it offensive if your husband checked you out or even ogled you in public? Would you snub him first and then reward him later? What goes on in a womans mind??? I cant figure you all out.

tl;dr We had an argument because I was checking her out in front of other people.

Wondering if there is anyone who used tactical shotguns to down birds? I am getting one and I am wondering how much of a disadvantage would it be to down birds with it?

Or ... would I need a dedicated bird hunting one from day one?

Would 7+1 tactical shotguns like Mossburg 940 Pro be allowed? The stated limit according to VA ban is 7 rounds but does that exclude the one in chamber?

Which do you prefer for home defense?

It was my brother-in-laws wedding. We were taking silly family pictures with the bride and the groom and in one of those, my wife came and sat on my lap sideways. She was wearing a deep, plunging low neck that is intentionally cut to put her boobage on display.

My wife is pretty large up there and while we have been married for many years, I cant get over them. Anyway. in that picture she rotated her torso to face me and they were right in my face. I glanced at them for may be a second too long but when the pictures came it was embarrassing.

It really looks like a 70s movie poster where an infatuated man is staring at the upper swells of a woman's breasts while she looks into the camera and the facial expression on the guys face is absolute "beauty shock!" Its pure comedy!

When the pic came out, people were laughing at it. The bride felt that it was "the cutest pic" of all and it needs to be shared! She posted it on the facebook page. I woke up the morning and logged on and that picture had close to a hundred comments on it.

Some of these are as follows:

"Awww that is so cute!"

"Can someone delete this please?"

"Yes. Focus ..."

"This is so funny! The best wedding pic!"

"Mesmerized much???"

"Jenn, he is a keeper!" (That is my wife's name)

"Oh my God the look ... this is so hilarious!"

"Jenn you are so bad ... lol"

"Ya Jen. You got him gal! This one ain't going no where!"

"Hilarious!"

Then there are all sorts of memes and emojis and what not. I asked my wife to reach out to her sister in law and ask her to take it down since we are not comfortable. She says "a million people have seen it and commented on it so what difference does it make. Besides, you look so cute!"

The problem is that all other people in the same pic are more poised and graceful and they are all focusing on the camera with a smile. They all look like professional models posing for a portrait. And here I am looking like an absolute GOOF totally ignoring the camera and staring into my wife's tits!

I am thinking if I should call my brother in law and ask him to take it down? Or should I just let it pass?

tl;dr Got photographed staring into my wife's cleavage and the pic is on social media?

If you are a PhD or Masters, than would a Bachelors degree holder work? How about a high school diploma holder with specialized certifications that allow him to earn a lot of money.

I ask because I would like to know general female preferences in this matter.

Jazak' Allah Shukran!

I ask because we tell women what to look for in a man instead of asking them what they actually look for in a man. Please tell me what do you look for in a man and please do not throw cliche' terms like "kindness" "honesty?" These are obvious because no one is mad enough to look for an unkind and dishonest man.

Instead explain that when does kindness mean to you? If I was to take your requirements and go looking for a man, what list would you hand me?

Wife and I had an argument this morning. We both work and split the expenses and she pays the internet and TV. She did not pay and while I was in the middle of an important assignment we lost connection. I told her that if you did not have the money to pay the bill then you should have told me and she said she had the money but she "forgot!"

I told her that I had reminded you many times and she said while you were reminding me you were also giving me so many things to do and this argument got heated.

My wife is very beautiful, and even though we were fighting, I was thinking she looks amazing! She had come out of the shower and had a towel around her head with hair pulled back. No make up nothing but I could look at this woman in the middle of a fight and still admire physical beauty.

Of course that is not the time to mention it because it would look extremely weird I stop the fight and say "By the way you look very beautiful" and then get back to fighting. I thought I will compliment when we are both in better mood because complimenting her in the middle of an argument is like waving the white flag. I do not want to do that because I know that I was right.

We have not spoken much since after that and I honestly believe that compliments are a woman's right. Is she dresses up modestly and does not reveal herself to the world but only her husband then all the compliments that the world would give her (pick up lines and all the BS) must now come from her husband alone.

But I am wondering if it is permissible to hold praise until minor issues are resolved? Or should you just tell your wife that issues have not been resolved but you look stunning and you give me beauty shock even when we are going at it. My concern is that she will then believe that the issue on which the fight happened has either been forgiven or was never serious enough.

How do women take it if their husband told them that you look beautiful and I do not want to withhold praise but that does not mean issues are resolved. I am still upset? Would that compliment make a man look weak when she has no apologized?

Just thinking loud here.

My wife is very beautiful (Alhamdulillah.) She is a revert and not from my culture so being an outsider makes her stand out more in cultural gatherings even though she wears the hijab. If she walks into a gathering, people will stop talking and look at her. All chatter will stop! Most men are respectful and they will turn their gaze away as a sign of respect but their women would still be giving them that dirty look for noticing her a second too long.

Every time she walks into gathering there is always a toxic chemistry between husbands and wives0. Muslim women, specially the hijabis, have always been rude and disrespectful to her. They try to dig out details from her past from her pre-Islamic days so that they could bring them up and embarrass her.

Muslim gatherings have been these shameless bullying sessions where they all sit and mock at her. She has a small tattoo around her ankle and they would ask questions like where on your body do you have more and how many else do you have and what other bad things did you do before coming to Islam? How many boyfriends did you have etc.

She was already married and left her marriage after converting to Islam. I was not in her life when that happened. I met her in the masjid after her conversion. Yet the fake story that goes around is that I caused her previous marriage to fail because she was sleeping with me while she was married and after divorce, I had to take her! This is such rubbish but people can be shameless about inventing lies, and when a brown girl in hijab makes up lies and a white convert says that it is not true then who do you think the "community" would listen to?

It is a lie factory run by certain hijabis whose men could not lower their gaze on time. These men have all been respectful but ... nothing matters.

I have lost friendships. When some friends would be over with their wives, they would constantly stare at the carpets to not cause an argument. So their wives would be looking at me straight in the eyes and talking but the guy has to look at the carpet. It is easier for them to not show up and deal with this embarassment.

I never realized that a womans beauty has such strong social consequences for her even when she has done nothing. I am thinking out cutting myself from Muslim community completely because interaction with them has been so toxic. Not everyone is bad but if you are constantly scandalizing a couple then people will avoid guilt of association.

Over a period of time out non-Muslim circle of friends have grown more. I am wondering if I should just ditch the Muslim community? They have given nothing but pain.

What would be the "Islamic" thing to do here?

I have one problem in my marriage which, when left unaddressed, becomes two very different marital issues.

Lack of self confidence and Abaya resistance!

When we got married, my wife told me very clearly that she will never wear abaya and she wanted to have this discussion so that there are no issues later on in our marriage. She was a very modestly dressed woman with hijab so I did not have any issues. None of the women in my family wore it so it was not a problem.

All the time that we were married, I never insisted on it. Ever!

Two years ago we had our first child. Women change physically after pregnancy as it is part of fitrah, and my wife was unable to lose some of the post baby weight. Prior to the baby she was 130 lbs and quite proud of it but after the baby, she could not get below 160. The extra 30 lbs caused her some stress, and she lost a lot of confidence in her personal appearance.

Purely from a mans beauty perception, I can honestly say that she looks more beautiful than before. Those 30 lbs look very demoralizing on the scale, but beauty is not numbers on the scale but aesthetics of the eye. In short, she blossomed very well.

I assured her that she is way more appealing now then she was before and this is the beauty of motherhood. I told her that if I met her 130 lbs version of and 160 lbs version, I would find the 130 lbs version "attractive." But on the 160 lbs version I would go totally insane! This is the reason why I am so much more affectionate after the baby.

She believes that the reason why I am more infatuated with her is because "now I am the mother of your kid and not because I am prettier!" This is totally not true. Even if we did not have the kid I would still go wild over the "mom" version because this is all woman.

She did not buy that. Unfortunately, hollywood, fashion magazines and media has poisoned womens confidence where even if Allah SWT blesses them with such beauty and grace, they compare themselves to the false ideals and feel bad.

This resulted in issue number 2:

I told her that now that she is more "womanly" than before, she should consider wearing an abaya. Style of clothes that appears modest on a 130 lbs frame, can seem a bit provocative on a 160 lbs fame specially if you were got "re-arranged" that way.

She told me that this was discussed before we got married and she told me she will not wear it. I told her that was when you were 130 lbs and now look at the curves! When she goes out, people take more notice even though her style of clothing has not changed. She is already feeling "heavy" so going more baggy makes her look more heavy and ugly.

Bottom line is ... two years after the baby, we have had a few arguments on issues that never came up before. I honestly do not want her to be skinny. I love the 160 lbs mom more. If most men saw what I see they would agree so it is not that the her being the mother of my kids has twisted me to see her that way.

I also understand that when men appreciate their wives then we tent to act more jealous and more "over possessive" and I do not mean to be overbearing. I have not forgotten what are conditions on Abaya were before we married. May be I am different man now or may be if I saw this 160lbs version back then my views may have been different? I do not know.

I want us to be happy, without these disagreements because the baby is 2 and he deserves to see happy parents rather than disagreeing ones.

Thoughs and suggestions from other married brothers and sisters will be appreciated.

I have one problem in my marriage which, when left unaddressed, becomes two very different marital issues.

Lack of self confidence and Abaya resistance!

When we got married, my wife told me very clearly that she will never wear abaya and she wanted to have this discussion so that there are no issues later on in our marriage. She was a very modestly dressed woman with hijab so I did not have any issues. None of the women in my family wore it so it was not a problem.

All the time that we were married, I never insisted on it. Ever!

Two years ago we had our first child. Women change physically after pregnancy as it is part of fitrah, and my wife was unable to lose some of the post baby weight. Prior to the baby she was 130 lbs and quite proud of it but after the baby, she could not get below 160. The extra 30 lbs caused her some stress, and she lost a lot of confidence in her personal appearance.

Purely from a mans beauty perception, I can honestly say that she looks more beautiful than before. Those 30 lbs look very demoralizing on the scale, but beauty is not numbers on the scale but aesthetics of the eye. In short, she blossomed very well.

I assured her that she is way more appealing now then she was before and this is the beauty of motherhood. I told her that if I met her 130 lbs version of and 160 lbs version, I would find the 130 lbs version "attractive." But on the 160 lbs version I would go totally insane! This is the reason why I am so much more affectionate after the baby.

She believes that the reason why I am more infatuated with her is because "now I am the mother of your kid and not because I am prettier!" This is totally not true. Even if we did not have the kid I would still go wild over the "mom" version because this is all woman.

She did not buy that. Unfortunately, hollywood, fashion magazines and media has poisoned womens confidence where even if Allah SWT blesses them with such beauty and grace, they compare themselves to the false ideals and feel bad.

This resulted in issue number 2:

I told her that now that she is more "womanly" than before, she should consider wearing an abaya. Style of clothes that appears modest on a 130 lbs frame, can seem a bit provocative on a 160 lbs fame specially if you were got "re-arranged" that way.

She told me that this was discussed before we got married and she told me she will not wear it. I told her that was when you were 130 lbs and now look at the curves! When she goes out, people take more notice even though her style of clothing has not changed. She is already feeling "heavy" so going more baggy makes her look more heavy and ugly.

Bottom line is ... two years after the baby, we have had a few arguments on issues that never came up before. I honestly do not want her to be skinny. I love the 160 lbs mom more. If most men saw what I see they would agree so it is not that the her being the mother of my kids has twisted me to see her that way.

I also understand that when men appreciate their wives then we tent to act more jealous and more "over possessive" and I do not mean to be overbearing. I have not forgotten what are conditions on Abaya were before we married. May be I am different man now or may be if I saw this 160lbs version back then my views may have been different? I do not know.

I want us to be happy, without these disagreements because the baby is 2 and he deserves to see happy parents rather than disagreeing ones.

Thoughs and suggestions from other married brothers and sisters will be appreciated.

I am writing a romance story in which an 18 year old high-schooler loses a wrestling match to a girl who is more experienced than him. Since she beats him in front of a cheering crowd, he attempts to commit suicide out of self shame.

He later finds a coach who tells him to never forget that "humiliation" and always feel it to fuel your training. He then uses this girl as an object of hate before every session. This causes him to rise to the level of an unstoppable super athlete.

Years pass by and once he has won all the medals, his coach tells him that the end of his journey is to find that girl, and apologize to her. He must give her the winners handshake that he refused and congratulate her. That girl must remain in his mind, not as an object of hate but an inspiration. She must now remain in his memories, not as an object of hate and humiliation but as an inspiration.

He realizes that this woman never "broke" him. She "made" him into what he is. All athletes have on person as their inspiration that they owe their success to. She was that one person without whom he would never be who he is! He then tracks her down and finds her to be a broken human being. She is trapped in an abusive marriage that has left her financially and mentally crippled where she is dependent upon her abusive husband.

He comes into her life and apologizes. He then gives her an action figure of "Power Girl" and tells her that all that he is today is due to her. Then he helps her find the lost superhero that she used to be, brings her out and then reclaims his manhood by making love to her. After becoming the "superwoman" once again she ditches the abusive husband and embraces the real woman she had always been.

In order to develop the female character, I need to know from a woman's point of view how would you feel if you out wrestled an 18 year old when you were the same age. You beat him so badly that you left him crying on the mat, not by physical hurt but out of shame and then he runs away without shaking your hand.

What are your feelings as a woman who just wrecked his guy?

a) You are proud of your own achievement but there is also a parallel pride in making him cry. It completes you victory in a way that would never have, if he had not broken down. You will mention later to people that you were so good that you once made a boy actually cry.

b) What a misogynist! Serves him right. He has learnt the hard way that a woman can do all that a man can. Go live with it!

c) You actually pity him. But that pity does not take away the joy of victory. These are two separate emotions and you can embrace them both at the same time. In other words, you are happy that you won, but you wish he had not taken it so hard/

d) Embarrassed! Why did he have to make me the villain / antagonist in this scene? This "crying drama" is uncomfortable for me as much as it is embarrassing for him.

Any other emotions? Honest deeply thought responses please.

A child survivor of the Bosnian genocide who came to the US not knowing the language. She experienced severe bullying in school due to poor English and having an accent. Then went on to experience parental abuse that would cause her to live with Foster parents for some time.

But she joined the police and was one of the very few women to be selected for SWAT training. Never made it into the team due to physical standards being too tough for women but came out on top of all other female candidates.

Quit the force to marry me and became a personal trainer. She is the most honest person I have ever met. In all these years that we have been married, she has never lied. Not even once!

Fiercely loyal! If she is on your side, she is on your side.

Beautiful! Raised cheek bones, square jaw line.

She tries her best to be modest but those curves make it impossible. She is all woman! Yet the truth of that body is only known to me and no one else, and if the world saw what I see?

She is not my wife, she is my goddess and every night is an act of worship.

I love her.

So much.

We went bowling with my cousins, my wife, my aunt and my mom. Mom and aunt were in the nearby food area while my wife and I were bowling, and my cousins were eating and cheering us on. Things got competitive between my wife and I, and a lot bystanders also stopped to watch the game because my cousins were very loud and there was a lot of excitement.

They said if she wins I should take her for shopping. I said that I will surely do that. My wife was confident that she will win and she did not want to be a financial burden. She said if she wins, I should cook Lamb Karahi for her because she is not from my culture and she is learning to cook those foods. I said sure.

After that, my wife practically demolished me and everyone had a lot of fun. I got everyone home and started to cook lamb karahi because I had lost and those were the conditions. My mother immediately took over the cooking and said "I will now allow my son to be humiliated like this.!" I told her that this is what we agreed on and I need to cook for her.

My mother was saying that she insulted you in public in front of a crowd and now she is making you cook in front of the family. I asked her how is winning a bowling game an insult to me? She said "You are her husband and she has to have some LIHAAZ and not beat you in public! And now she is making you cook for her!"

I told my mom that it is a sport!!! People play to win! That is why it is fun! She did not want to listen. She did not allow me to cook and took over the cooking. My wife did not say anything but she was obviously offended because it was a historical moment that my wife and I would have remembered for the rest of my life and my mom took control of it.

I apologized to my wife and told her that we will play again and this time it will be just her and I. So I took her out on the date, we played again and she showed that she was the better player. I got her home and made the Karahi that I promised and then we watched a movie.

Mom called next day and asked my wife what did we have for dinner? She told her. Mom asked who cooked? She said I did. Mom said "Give him the phone!" I took the phone and she exploded for no reason. She said I am ashamed of the man I have raised! She said, "I have never allowed your father to even fry an egg for me! Even when I was pregnant by you and your sister, I knew my place. I would never beat him in public in sports out of LEHAAZ because it will be disrespectful at my end and humiliating for him!" She said that I should not be so "obsessed" with her that I lose my manhood and that I am turning her into a "moorti" (goddess) and worshipping her (Astaghfirullah!)

My wife does not understand Urdu but she got the gist of it. She was very hurt because she has always respected my mother. I have a feeling that my mother does not want to see me happy! I feel like she is totally out to wreck my marriage when I have never done anything to her.

A few other exchanged happened after this and they were also not very pleasant. I am sensing this very weird vibe. I do not know how to explain this but I feel an energy. Like jealousy / envy and someone wishing us ill and that is her.

I am wondering if a mother can give evil eye to her own children? Or is that not possible?

We went bowling with my cousins, my wife, my aunt and my mom. Mom and aunt were in the nearby food area while my wife and I were bowling, and my cousins were eating and cheering us on. Things got competitive between my wife and I, and a lot bystanders also stopped to watch the game because my cousins were very loud and there was a lot of excitement.

They said if she wins I should take her for shopping. I said that I will surely do that. My wife was confident that she will win and she did not want to be a financial burden. She said if she wins, I should cook Lamb Karahi for her because she is not from my culture and she is learning to cook those foods. I said sure.

After that, my wife practically demolished me and everyone had a lot of fun. I got everyone home and started to cook lamb karahi because I had lost and those were the conditions. My mother immediately took over the cooking and said "I will now allow my son to be humiliated like this.!" I told her that this is what we agreed on and I need to cook for her.

My mother was saying that she insulted you in public in front of a crowd and now she is making you cook in front of the family. I asked her how is winning a bowling game an insult to me? She said "You are her husband and she has to have some LIHAAZ and not show you inferior to her in public! And now she is making you cook for her!"

I told my mom that it is a sport!!! People play to win! That is why it is fun! She did not want to listen. She did not allow me to cook and took over the cooking. My wife did not say anything but she was obviously offended because it was a historical moment that my wife and I would have remembered for the rest of my life and my mom took control of it.

I apologized to my wife and told her that we will play again and this time it will be just her and I. So I took her out on the date, we played again and she showed that she was the better player. I got her home and made the Karahi that I promised and then we watched a movie.

Mom called next day and asked my wife what did we have for dinner? She told her. Mom asked who cooked? She said I did. Mom said "Give him the phone!" I took the phone and she exploded for no reason. She said I am ashamed of the man I have raised! She said, "I have never allowed your father to even fry an egg for me! Even when I was pregnant by you and your sister, I knew my place. I would never beat him in public in sports out of LEHAAZ because it will be disrespectful at my end and humiliating for him!" She said that I should not be so "obsessed" with her that I lose my manhood and that I am turning her into a "moorti" (goddess) and worshipping her (Astaghfirullah!)

My wife does not understand Urdu but she got the gist of it. She was very hurt because she has always respected my mother. I have a feeling that my mother does not want to see me happy! I feel like she is totally out to wreck my marriage when I have never done anything to her.

A few other exchanged happened after this and they were also not very pleasant. I am sensing this very weird vibe. I do not know how to explain this but I feel an energy. Like jealousy / envy and someone wishing us ill and that is her.

I am wondering if a mother can give evil eye to her own children? Or is that not possible?

We went bowling with my cousins, my wife, my aunt and my mom. Mom and aunt were in the nearby food area while my wife and I were bowling, and my cousins were eating and cheering us on. Things got competitive between my wife and I, and a lot bystanders also stopped to watch the game because my cousins were very loud and there was a lot of excitement.

They said if she wins I should take her for shopping. I said that I will surely do that. My wife was confident that she will win and she did not want to be a financial burden. She said if she wins, I should cook Lamb Karahi for her because she is not from my culture and she is learning to cook those foods. I said sure.

After that, my wife practically demolished me and everyone had a lot of fun. I got everyone home and started to cook lamb karahi because I had lost and those were the conditions. My mother immediately took over the cooking and said "I will now allow my son to be humiliated like this.!" I told her that this is what we agreed on and I need to cook for her.

My mother was saying that she insulted you in public in front of a crowd and now she is making you cook in front of the family. I asked her how is winning a bowling game an insult to me? She said "You are her husband and she has to have some LIHAAZ and not beat you in public! And now she is making you cook for her!"

I told my mom that it is a sport!!! People play to win! That is why it is fun! She did not want to listen. She did not allow me to cook and took over the cooking. My wife did not say anything but she was obviously offended because it was a historical moment that my wife and I would have remembered for the rest of my life and my mom took control of it.

I apologized to my wife and told her that we will play again and this time it will be just her and I. So I took her out on the date, we played again and she showed that she was the better player. I got her home and made the Karahi that I promised and then we watched a movie.

Mom called next day and asked my wife what did we have for dinner? She told her. Mom asked who cooked? She said I did. Mom said "Give him the phone!" I took the phone and she exploded for no reason. She said I am ashamed of the man I have raised! She said, "I have never allowed your father to even fry an egg for me! Even when I was pregnant by you and your sister, I knew my place. I would never beat him in public in sports out of LEHAAZ because it will be disrespectful at my end and humiliating for him!" She said that I should not be so "obsessed" with her that I lose my manhood and that I am turning her into a "moorti" (goddess) and worshipping her (Astaghfirullah!)

My wife does not understand Urdu but she got the gist of it. She was very hurt because she has always respected my mother. I have a feeling that my mother does not want to see me happy! I feel like she is totally out to wreck my marriage when I have never done anything to her.

A few other exchanged happened after this and they were also not very pleasant. I am sensing this very weird vibe. I do not know how to explain this but I feel an energy. Like jealousy / envy and someone wishing us ill and that is her.

I am wondering if a mother can give evil eye to her own children? Or is that not possible?

Wife and I got into swinging recently and we have had our few experiences. In my mind, swinging was an "enjoy sex just for sex and nothing else" moment. But I found myself getting jealous and aroused at the same time if that makes any sense at all???

It is not that I do not enjoy the other woman. I do but it feels like prelude or build up for the actual sex which I will have when I get my wife. When I do get my wife back, then I find myself so possessive and that makes for extremely great sometimes a little rough sex. This may either be during the foursome, or after when we are by ourselves. This session is always, and I mean always more intense than the 4some.

Is that the real pleasure of swinging or do we evolve as swingers to like the 4some as much?