r/Vystopia

the new "woke opinion" is to think that not opressing the animals is "opressive" to their opressors (humans). i cannot make this up. i wish people could stop caring about the convenience and feelings of the opressor and actually think about how it is from the victims perspective. does a cow deserve to be raped because "its opressive to some human groups" not to do so? unfrotunately with animal opression everyone speaks from a privelaged perspective

This is just a little rant ig, but I love medicine, the human body ect, i think it's all so incredible & as long as i can remember i've wanted to be a surgen or doctor but now i don't ever think i can be. I hate people more everyday i learn what they support by not being vegan, ignorant or uneducated i don't care anymore; i fucking hate humanity and the dream this has taken from me.

(and no I don't want to be a vet spending all day treating peoples meat eating dogs and cats)

i post a lot on tiktok about veganism. i had to take my videos down multiple times because of hate comments. i got people telling me to hang myself, looking for every occasion to mock me, commenting dead corpses of animals (not meat, actual corpses) ect. under every video i make about what horrific abuse animals endure, they always comment that they dont care. the majority of meat eaters support rape and admit to it. why are they like that? genuine question

We have to be moral philosophers.

We have to be nutrition scientists.

We have to be good communicators.

We have to be good at arguing while also maintaining some level of respect.

We have to be climate scientists.

We have to be experts on how animal agriculture works.

We have to be biologists.

We have to be absolutely perfect people in every other aspect of our lives.

And more.

Just to convince other people that it's wrong to abuse, torture, rape, and murder other innocent sentient and conscious beings for momentary taste pleasure.

It's ridiculous and pathetic that we even need to dedicate as much time as many of us do to convincing people of something that really should be totally obvious. And even more ridiculously, people give us insane pushback and resistance despite already having to become well-versed in all these subjects to respond to their asinine rebuttals.

So as you probably know, there's a ongoing scientific debate about crustacean sentience and consensus right now is that they likely capable of feeling pain and distress when they are being prepared. And so far, some countries have banned the practice of boiling lobsters alive and recognized decapod crustaceans for welfare considerations.

Despite this, there are still too many irresponsible purchases and horrible handling of crustaceans. Like there are videos of people (assuming restaurant workers) full on ripping them apart.

E.g I saw this relatively young looking woman on TikTok who purchased these Dungeness crabs who clearly had no idea what she was doing and was unintentionally torturing a crustacean in the worst way possible. She was told that the most "humanly" (yes the word "humanly" was used not "humanely") was to rip off the apron to kill it when she must have been confused with spiking which involves using a knife or a screw driver to pierce the somewhat condensed ganglion nerve clusters in the body. She proceeds to rip the crabs limbs off while its clearly moving desperately not "residual movements after death" like her and a bunch of clueless people in the comments were saying.

Reminder this is only one of the few irresponsible acts I've seen online. There are still a lot more similar videos.

So in the end I think only people working in restaurants who understand humane dispatch methods should be sold crustaceans live.,

i think our biggest problem is not the ressistance of meat eaters, but the ressistance of other vegans to speak up. let me explain. there are millions of vegans in this world, but most of them choose to stay silent. i see vegan posts getting thousands of likes, but the actual amount of people advocating openly is an extremely small fraction of that. people are scared. theyre scared of backlash and hate, and from my experience, theyre reasonable to fear that. guilt and cognitive dissonance brings out the worst monsters out of people. but if more of us actually spoke up, the backlash would be lesser. people would actually start to adapt and consider our ideas more and the public opinion would start to shift. it happened with every movement. we have to be loud enough for them to hear us. and with how many vegans we have, if every one of them spoke up, im sure we'll make a revolution. it doesnt have to be a million of us, it can even be a few thousand. this subreddit has 3 thousand members. do you understand what difference would it make if every single member decided to speak up? we have to do it for the animals, because they cannot wait. speak up yourself, and tell other vegans to speak up. we are scared, but i promise that the animals are scared more

Their moral assessments are based exclusively on their own self-interest in the vast majority of situations. Maybe a few special individuals get some value assigned to them beyond instrumental value, but even then that is rare. And ironically even though these people are so greedily self-indulging they are still miserable because, unsurprisingly, when everyone adopts the same domineering apathetic mentality you get a shit reality to live in. And yet, as soon as these people are the victim of any perceived injustice they are outraged even though they have no problem dishing out the oppression without even a single thought given to the consequences anyone else would have to face. They "love" things the same way a slave master loves their slaves, not out of any concern for the individual but of what value they can extract. I think this is really the carnist mentality, gluttony for pleasure at any expense.

Unfortunately I think most people are either too stupid or genetically incapable of ever leaving this state once it is reinforced into them through a life of living in such a diabolical society with horrendous education. And so the wonderful result is that many humans are functionally psychopathic, they adopt their beliefs and never question them and that is that. What I actually cannot comprehend is how people just go on living with such cruelty (both acts they engage in and ones against them) without question even when they know it is bad from their own daily experience of living. It is insane how things could be so much better for nigh all of them if they gave a shit, but they just cannot.

Ever since going vegan, it feels like one of those movies where the protagonist is unsure whether or not they're dreaming. Everyone just feels so flat and one dimensional. Interactions that I once would have treasures now seem detached, like I'm shaking someone's hands with tongs.

It feels even worse when my family,from whom I have no feasible chance of escaping or convincing to become vegan, force responsibilities on my that require me to handle animal products even though I do not consume them myself.

I can feel myself becoming a robot.

The art does not necessarily need to be explicitly vegan, I’m just looking to support vegan people who happen to be artists. Specifically I’m looking to decorate my bedroom so things like posters, canvases, or online downloads I could turn into one of these things. If anyone is, or knows any, vegan artists and where I can find them online it is appreciated. Thanks!

I think I'm finally done with my carnist friends. I don't think they truly understand how I feel about animal ethics. I think about it like this: if I genuinely think what they do is so awful, then why be friends with them?

Some of them are certainly more respectful about it than others, but this one friend likes to periodically remind me that they're eating pizza, McDonald's, etc. Even after they told me they were eating multiple steaks for a meal, and I talked to them and sent them Earthlings to watch.

They said they would watch it later, but I'm certain they never did.

Now they randomly messaged me telling me they got chicken when just 2 days ago or so I stated that chickens are my favorite animals in the group chat.

I swear they do it intentionally, but they act like they forgot I'm vegan when I point it out.

I've had arguments with others, and they all come back at me with petty insults, fallacious reasoning, and debunked arguments like 'mUh cRoP dEaThS tHo1!'

It's especially frustrating because they will feel bad for certain animals like monkeys and cats, but then literally pay to holocaust animals that are just as capable of feeling suffering and pain as those other animals.

Honestly, in a way, it is a bit of a selfish decision of mine because I personally feel like I don't want to be exposed to hearing about how someone ate the corpse of a dismembered torture-murder victim and then be expected to share my life with them, my emotions, and laugh with them. It's just too hard for me to do when I genuinely wish they would feel a fraction of the pain that those animals they eat have experienced. It's very disconcerting, and I have a lot of repressed hostility and animosity toward them.

At this point, they really have no excuse, as I've thoroughly explained animal ethics and the nutrition science behind plant-based diets to them in detail multiple times.

I don't have any vegan friends, but I might make some one day, and honestly, I'm just tired of dealing with other people's crap.

I've been a loner most of my life as it is, and I know it's better to be by yourself than to deal with all this garbage.

My heart breaks for the mother cows in the dairy industry who have their babies repeatedly stolen from them, and then find themselves on the slaughterhouse floor when they can’t produce milk anymore. Or the sows kept in gestation crates where they can’t act on any of their maternal instincts.

And every other non-human mother who is exploited for human greed and profit. It breaks my heart and today especially, I think of them. 🥺❤️

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i've only been vegan for five months, this is the second time i've unknowingly consumed an animal product. it was a meal a family member made me. i just feel so dirty now, i don't know how to deal with this feeling. i want to throw up

I’m beyond tired of coexisting with non vegans 🫩.

Yesterday, I had a dramatic argument with my mom that began with dating advice to veganism when I brought up how the person I settle down with will be vegan and nothing would change that. She argued how love changes things and even things we never would have expected so I just restated how my principles and morales overrule everything else especially a partner. Long story short, we argued back and forth, and I exploded saying soon as I move in going no contact because I can’t stand non vegans and of course this upset her so she threatened to kick me out and wished me luck on my education since she manages all my finances. I just couldn’t hold it in anymore when she said how she didn’t wanna talk about veganism since it always ends in arguments and how she’ll never change and that it is what it is. During the argument she brought up how she respects my choices so I should respect hers and she started picking at straws, trying to guilt trip me using all the things and sacrifices she’s done for me, to end the argument. We eventually resolved it by me sucking up to her, telling her I don’t and won’t respect it as it’s not something to respect, but that I love her and apologized for hurting her.

It’s so upsetting when loved ones can be the most selfish monstrous consumers, but instead of seeing the pain they cause and extending their empathy, they rather take offense to their destructive ways and blame you for being so “immature and emotional”. My fault for having the decency to not partake in the cruelties against animals for my delight. Like these people know what they’re doing yet they turn a blind eye and rather than doing better they avoid the topic because they know they have no excuse. What’s more frustrating is that she accompanies me to vegan places, always expressing how happy she is by being there yet she can’t make the moral connection, it always ends in her seeing my lifestyle as modern, privileged and lightweight.

I can’t wait to be independent and have mature discussions about veganism once I’m older. She won’t be able to use anything against me at that point and I’ll finally get to properly express my points. Unfortunate that this is the reality and that I’m the “radical” one but I’ll never give up and changes are coming.