u/Mxspert

We have to be moral philosophers.

We have to be nutrition scientists.

We have to be good communicators.

We have to be good at arguing while also maintaining some level of respect.

We have to be climate scientists.

We have to be experts on how animal agriculture works.

We have to be biologists.

We have to be absolutely perfect people in every other aspect of our lives.

And more.

Just to convince other people that it's wrong to abuse, torture, rape, and murder other innocent sentient and conscious beings for momentary taste pleasure.

It's ridiculous and pathetic that we even need to dedicate as much time as many of us do to convincing people of something that really should be totally obvious. And even more ridiculously, people give us insane pushback and resistance despite already having to become well-versed in all these subjects to respond to their asinine rebuttals.

I think I'm finally done with my carnist friends. I don't think they truly understand how I feel about animal ethics. I think about it like this: if I genuinely think what they do is so awful, then why be friends with them?

Some of them are certainly more respectful about it than others, but this one friend likes to periodically remind me that they're eating pizza, McDonald's, etc. Even after they told me they were eating multiple steaks for a meal, and I talked to them and sent them Earthlings to watch.

They said they would watch it later, but I'm certain they never did.

Now they randomly messaged me telling me they got chicken when just 2 days ago or so I stated that chickens are my favorite animals in the group chat.

I swear they do it intentionally, but they act like they forgot I'm vegan when I point it out.

I've had arguments with others, and they all come back at me with petty insults, fallacious reasoning, and debunked arguments like 'mUh cRoP dEaThS tHo1!'

It's especially frustrating because they will feel bad for certain animals like monkeys and cats, but then literally pay to holocaust animals that are just as capable of feeling suffering and pain as those other animals.

Honestly, in a way, it is a bit of a selfish decision of mine because I personally feel like I don't want to be exposed to hearing about how someone ate the corpse of a dismembered torture-murder victim and then be expected to share my life with them, my emotions, and laugh with them. It's just too hard for me to do when I genuinely wish they would feel a fraction of the pain that those animals they eat have experienced. It's very disconcerting, and I have a lot of repressed hostility and animosity toward them.

At this point, they really have no excuse, as I've thoroughly explained animal ethics and the nutrition science behind plant-based diets to them in detail multiple times.

I don't have any vegan friends, but I might make some one day, and honestly, I'm just tired of dealing with other people's crap.

I've been a loner most of my life as it is, and I know it's better to be by yourself than to deal with all this garbage.