Pinapakita ko na ang aking pagtutol at pagkadismaya ko sa Iglesia at sa Pamamahala sa lahat ng aking kapatid at kamaytungkulin; pati na sa mga paulit-ulit na leksiyon at pagsamba kay Manalo.

And if this is my last post meaning may nangyari na… at ang tanging may kasalanan ay ang berdugo ng central.

Someone triggered a password reset with my Reddit account that I am only actively using to post and engage here. Clearly, someone from "management" is not happy with my posts and comments. Keep up the good fight, mga Kapatid!

When INC tells you " PH is Mizrach" because PH is far east 7000+islands and First Christian Nation.

You have yourself a 3 Hit combo.

1. PH is not the MOST islands in the world, its not even the most islands in the east or south east or south east asia. Google it.
   They say " 7000 islands" To deceive you into thinking wow alot, and they hope you are dumb enough to assume PH is MOST ISLANDS, without them saying it to be a blatant liar.
2. PH is not the FARTHEST east from israel, nor is it the farthest east by other measurements using longitude latitude and its not even the land of the rising sun.
3. FIRST CHRISTIAN NATION? According to whom and why?
   The verse in the bible they use is

• Isaiah 24:15 “Glorify the Lord in the east… in the islands of the sea.”
• Also paired with Isaiah 42:10–12 “Sing to the Lord a new song… you who go down to the sea… the coastlands (islands)… let them give glory to the Lord.”

First, the verse doesn't say anywhere "First Christian Nation".
But let's assume we follow their interpretation, they are still wrong.
PH is not the first Christian nation in asia., They claim this because they found an article of someone claiming PH is the first christian nation in asia.
But think about this for a moment, why did the person say that? He said it because PH was catholic!!!
Think for a moment, so PH became a Christian nation because of CATHOLICS? then INC is admitting that catholicism is valid Christians and not pagans/false religion, they are CHRISTIAN!

Now they will say, no no catholics are not real christians.
OK then why is the fulfilment of the supposed prophecy BASED on the perspective of a nonbeliever and not based on the interpretation of the "TRUE CHURCH".

now they will try a different angle. "well PH is where INC came from therefore PH is now a christian nation"
ah so a minority group makes it a Christian nation?
So if a country is 90% catholic and 5% INC the nation is a christian nation? by that logic every country that INC plants a church is automatically a CHRISTIAN NATION?

what if its 1% buddhist? is it a buddhist nation now? what are we basing this ridiculous definition on? the majority or the minority?

But remember, the fulfilment of prophecy is suppsoed to be interpreted BIBLICALLY not SECULAR or in this case an INC , in the perspective of the bible. the bible wont say " they will worship God" and the fulfillment is "pagans worshipping idols eating dinuguan and calling a man- GOD falsely"

IF anything, muslim countries would fit the INC description of "WORSHIPPING" because they dont eat blood, they have strict moral codes, they dont think jesus is God, and so on. INC and ISLAM are practically close cousins compard to catholics and protestants. so if INC interprets "WORSHIP" it would have to be muslims , so indonesia would be a better fit

I'm a mom of 2 (14 and 7). Handog ako and my husband was willingly converted to INC and naging masiglang mananamba.

So this is my turning point.

Nung dinalaw kami ng Destinado because we were MS and magbabanal na Hapunan na, we were explaining that my two daughters had pneumonia last January. My eldest has always had a weak immune system, and her school dismissal is at 7 p.m., so pag sumamba pa kami ng Thursday night, mapupuyat sya because super dami niya assignments sa school. And isa rin ito sa mga idinahilan ko sa Destinado aside sa nagka-pneumonia sila kaya kami di nakakasamba.

Super nabigla ako sa sagot niya, "Makakapasa nga sya (my 14 yr old) hindi naman sya maliligtas." Narinig ng anak ko and grabe yung reaction ng mukha niya, but luckily hindi naman nakita ng Destinado. 😂

2024 I read 3 different versions of the Bible. Dun pa lang natauhan na ko. I even took notes of the verses na sinasabi sa samba and compared them pag uwi namin. Dun pa lang alam ko na nanloloko sila. But still I stayed because masaya anak ko sa pagtupad sa PNK.

2025 we transferred, nandito yung Destinado na nang-guilt trip samin. So after BNH 2026 we decided to transfer again to another locale but hindi kami tinanggap because of zoning. Pastor mismo nakausap namin na super off rin makipagusap.

So I think this is the sign na talaga na 2024 dapat ginawa ko na. Ayoko matulad sakin mga anak ko, na hanggang paglaki nila marami silang limitation.

My husband and my eldest mutually agreed na wag na magpatala and expired na rin ang transfer namin.

My only problem is my mom. (Lahat sa side niya from my Lolo and Lola, mga dedicated INC talaga)

Nung sinabi ko sa kanya and sa kapatid ko, against sila sa desisyon ko as expected. Pero buo na desisyon ko and praying na lang na eventually ma-accept nila yung desisyon ko. ♥️

Bit of a realization that in all of my years of living, never ko pa na experience i-celebrate fully ang christmas. Ang memories ko lang noon regarding christmas ay yung mga relatives ko na non-inc giving my family some extra handa during christmas but I have never really celebrated it fully with like a whole Christmas tree, noche buena, and opening presents. During pasko kasi nasa bahay lang kami and parang usual na araw lang. Sana ma experience ko rin magpasko na walang iniisip na kulto

this is not really a serious rant or vent, parang story time lang rin pero hindi ko mahanap yung tags for it, maikling kwento lang rin naman ‘to, walang hard feelings. one time, habang nasa tricycle ako, bitbit ko vestment ko, (isa akong lingkod ng dambana o sakristan kung tatawagin), napatanong yung katabi ko, “saan ka tutupad?”, sinagot ko, “ha ano po?”

“hindi ba mang-aawit ka? san ka tutupad?” e saktong huwebes rin kasi nun, bagong taon araw ng pagsamba nila at ang suot ko ay white shirt, black slacks, black shoes, black socks, naka garment bag pa ako at hawig na hawig ko rin talaga ang mang-aawit ng iglesia ni manalo, nung sinagot ko si ate na “ay hindi po, sakristan po ako”, sinagot niya ako ng “ahhh sakristan ka ba”, tapos hindi na niya ako sinagot, ramdam ko na sumama yung loob niya, halata ang dismaya sa mukha ni nanay HAHAHAHAHAHA, nakakalungkot ang estado ng mga trapped nating mga kapatid sa kulto ni manalo, kahit bagong taon ay kailangang tumupad, walang silang takas at wala silang magagawa dahil mandatory sa kanila yun, sana makamit niyo na yung kalayaan niyo sa kulto na yan, God bless ! 🫡

I have been reading posts and comments in this sub for a while now. I am an ex member and everything I see here is majority relatable. But I can't really take the part where OPs and almost everyone here share the same experience and struggles. It's not the ex-communication, nor the exclusion that fears them the most. It's the pressure from family members. "Ang iniisip ko nalang ay ang mother ko", "Ang inaalala ko nalang ay... Blah blah blah". Like, how did we arrive at this? Srsly guys? Sa mga OWE lurkers dito. Kung anak mo, kapatid mo, magulang mo, or kung sino man yan na may relationship sayo. CAN WE JUST PLEASE LET THEM GO???? Please let them go. If you are really preaching of the ONE, TRUE CHURCH, let them hear the REAL CALLING. The only instructions we received in the first place is SPREAD THE GOSPEL. And that's it. If they don't believe you, you won't be the one to pay for their sins anyway. Don't you see you are costing them their freedom and happiness, not to mention their mental well-being, and most terribly THEIR LIFE???? And all you care about is sumunod sila sa inyo??? I get that your argument is their kaligtasan. But do you really think na kung sumama sila sa inyo out of pressure and fear maliligtas pa rin sila??? HINDI RIN NAMAN. SO PLEASEEEE....

It's just sad that the ones who are supposed to keep you safe are the same exact persons that we fear the most. It's just sad.

Handog ang wife ko while ako ay nagconvert lang 10 years ago. Knowing kung gaano ung bond nila as family and inc. I checked into it, i am generally a seeker, at sa loob loob ko wala naman perpekto na religion me coming from Catholic to born again, so i kept the things i like about INC and that is what convinced me to convert and stay, hindi siya dahil sa naforced ako mag convert dahil never din naman ako even kinonvince ng asawa ko.

My wife knows me as a seeker and i started getting interested about the Quran few months ago, it started when I saw a part in Quran (Al Ma’idah 5-110 to 120) where Jesus and God was talking, how all his miracles was through God and how Jesus never said to worship him but only to follow his words as it is the words of God. I got hooked by how it is almost like inc na bawal dugo, sugal, inom, aside sa pork (Jesus Christ didnt eat pork), discipline in prayers etc, that Jesus is not God, Muslims believe he is a prophet and the messiah who will return on the judgement day. Wala lang yung mga shenanigans ng mga manalo.

Bible was changed and translated many times, the books of the bible are only selected from many which also have contradictions from one of each other, politics also played a huge part in the 1st compilation of the bible, the biggest problem is that it is also interpreted many times, lalo na yung for their own gain, like version ni Manalo. Unlike Quran isang version lang ang meron, isang language, it was preserved and memorized by Muslims. Di ko na iisa isahin pero after knowing many things that are proven true in the Quran kako it is hard to put it aside at hindi basahin. Medyo nashashare ko sa wife ko, binigyan din ako ng Quran ng husband ng friend niya. Di pa ako Muslim, sabi ko din sa wife ko pagaralan lang namin.

Two days ago, nagulat ako kasi minessage niya yung katiwala namin sabi niya mag transfer na daw kami at kahapon after pagsamba kinuha na namin. Ang sabi niya lang sakin, just to let you know, it is not easy for me. So nagulat talaga ako kasi di pa tlga namin napaguusapan yun ni di ko din siya tinalkout para gawin yun.

Ngayon natatakot ako paano kung malaman ng mga magulang niya at kapatid niya, saka di malayo na ako ang masisi which is ok lang naman din tanggapin yun. Pero one thing for sure ngayon is alam ko talaga na mahal na mahal ako ng asawa ko. Minsan nga umiyak pa siya habang nagshashare ako, ang sabi niya lang is she always knew me as a seeker of God so ok lang yun sa kanya kasi part yun ng pinakasalan niya.

I am between confused, scared and happy right now. I still maybe have a lots of questions regarding Islam, we most likely become Muslims, pero among many question isa lang ang sigurado na kami ngayon, Kulto ang INC. And i am happy we dont even have to convince each other for that. A book of God should not confuse us, while a religion should be about knowing and worshiping God, lalong should not be about money, it should encourage you to seek not to blind you, it should encourage you to read/study not to force you to only believe in what this pamamahala will say. Worshipping God should felt like freedom not jail, and this transfer is our ticket to that freedom.

PS: Arabic is a semitic language, Jesus spoke Aramaic, he calls God as Alaha, a same word for Allah in arabic, Jesus greetings is peace be with you, we dont say that in public, but that is literally Salam Alaikum in arabic which serves as their hello, Jesus prays heads down on the ground, muslims only do that now, Jesus never eat pork he even casted evils into a heard of pigs. Jesus never said to worship him, We are Christians pero we dont really follow Jesus instead we followed most of the Pauline doctrines, which is not even one of the Jesus 12 disciples he was even a persecutor of the early church.

Matagal na toh and since umiinit nanaman ang panahon naaalala ko nanaman yung inis ko.

So nagreklamo yung nagtuturo ng awit sa amin, napaka init daw at hindi mukhang fresh.

Madami na rin yung may nahihimatay, sabi nya na humiling daw kami sa destinado namin ng air humidifier tas ilalagay sa hagdanan.

Ito naman kaming mga mang-aawit lalo na ako may asthma (naka face mask pa nun) super excited kasi hindi na mainit at hindi na didikit yung toga namin sa pawis ng balat namin.

Ayan, excited ako kasi nagtagubilin na sila na magkakaroon ng handugan para dyan.

Lumipas mga months, nagtatanong ako nasan na yung air humidifier? bakit ang init parin?

Tapos may nakita akong kakaiba sa lugar ng mga nangangasiwa sa koro, may brand new silang electricfan.

Umiikot, pa cylinder at madaming pindutan.

Ilang years na ang naka pass simula nung post pandemic, WALA PA RIN hanggang ngayon na bumaba ako, wala paring naibigay sa mga ka mang-aawit ko.

May nahihimatay parin sa pagod at kasama na init.

Iniisip ko na yung handugan para dun is yung dalawang air humidifier fan sa koro ng mga ministro.

Meron pa akong naaalala na sabi ng 01 namin (for information po is nasa distrito kami ng bulacan south) na humingi ng contribution sa treasurer for banyo naman.

Nagawa naman pero yung lock ng banyo namin sira pa rin, kailangan pa namin i peek yung paa namin sa pinto para alam na may tao sa loob.

Hindi parin gumagana yung flush, wala ring mga hand sanitizer na nailagay (sabi rin nila na may kumukuha ng mga sabon kaya hindi sila naglalagay, so may magnanakaw sa loob ng iglesia) kahit yung nakadikit na lagayan tas i press nlang.

Yung basurahan namin super kalat, laging puno. Hindi man lang mapaghiwalay yung recyclable sa hindi. Nagkaroon pa nga ako ng isip na mag ipon para sa basurahan ng lokal namin pero sabi ng ateh ko baka hindi rin nila tanggapin kasi kailangan pang ireport.

Wag kayong magsabi na ang yaman ng Iglesia kung pamasahe ng mga manggagawa nyo saamin nyo rin inaasa, pati meryenda nila kami pa rin.

Tapos pag may aktibidad mga binhi, para pa kaming magmamalimos sa mga buklod para magka miryenda lang kaming mga dumalo at may mga gamit kami para sa aktibidad.

Yung dingding ng kapilya, hindi na naging maayos. Warak warak na yung foam at yung pintura, super panget na rin nung mga little garden

Dati may effort pa mga pangulo na i design yung naka assign sa kanilang lupa. Ngayon bato at puno nalang makikita mo, may sira sira pang simento.

Nag effort lang kayo pag may dadating na bisita hindi katulad ng dati na palit agad ng damo pag pasalamat/BHN na. Wala ng maganda sa pasalamat at BNH kasi wala nang mga design na pwedeng pag picturan, umuuwi na rin agad mga tao kasi puno ng sasakyan yung loob.

Pasalamat ng kabataan, unti nalang yung nakalagay sa goodie bags at wala narin yung libreng sopas pagkatapos 😞😞😞 Nakakalungkot kasi aaminin ko na may buhay talaga ang kapilya dati.

Now na nakikita ko na ang kamaliaan at parang ang dami nang nagbago, parang mas tumamlay ngayon.

Dapat about sa aircon lang toh eh HAHAHAHHA

Madami kasing na i promise saamin na hindi natupad, pero nakapaghandog kami para doon.

Pasensya na po, mas masaya kasi dati nung bata pa ako.

Hi, I'm a choir member po at Iglesia Ni Cristo and ever since i was born po until the age of 8, my parents dedicated me to be a choir member sa Iglesia Ni Cristo, i never get to decide whether i want to or not, i was forced to be a choir member anyway, Di ko na tinanong dahil i was told to never disobey my parents in a young age, fast forward, Im 17yrs old today, i'm still a choir member with a good reputation na masiglang choir member, although inside i wanna quit po because i feel like getting forced to be someone i don't want to, with someone with a good reputation bilang choir member i'm also forced to serve at times i dont want, worst of all if di ko natuparan ung time and duty, my reason is invalid to them and im scolded for not managing my time right, it's pressuring and i wanna leave and live a quiet and peaceful life

I’m almost of legal age, and I recently graduated high school. I’ve already been accepted into a college, but with everything happening right now, I’m honestly not sure if my parents will still support me continuing—whether financially or even just with basic things like transportation.

Recently, they found out that I’ve been in a relationship they didn’t know about. When they confronted me, I don’t know what came over me, but I ended up opening up about almost everything I’ve been keeping inside—my doubts about the teachings, the leadership, and even my struggles with belief in God.

They reacted very strongly. My mom basically said she’s given up on me. She told me she won’t kick me out, but since I “think I’m smart,” I should prove it by succeeding without God. My dad said something I can’t unhear—that he wishes I hadn’t been born if he knew I’d turn out like this.

Now they’re taking me to visit a relative who’s a minister in another province to “talk sense” into me and try to bring me back to the doctrines. They’ve also told me to stop performing my duties and attending services for now, and they’ll do the same, because they believe continuing without faith brings a curse on the household.

Because of how intense everything has gotten, I’m even considering telling them that I’ve already ended my relationship just to avoid making things worse, even though that’s not really what I want.

They’re extremely disappointed in me, and everything feels tense and uncertain.

I don’t know what to do next. Do I go along with them for now to keep the peace, especially since I still depend on them? Or should I stand my ground? Has anyone here been in a similar situation, especially when college plans were affected?