Well, I tried starting with gunblade and lichbane and I feel that I don't do dmg at all. Then I tested with triforce and gunblade, and as well I feel that doing straight muramana feels better. IMO, these buffs only benefits doing zhonyas, riftmaker maybe, and double tear ez. What r u guys thought on this?
I am so glad ap is back. I stopped playing league a while ago because it was boring to me. I was playing only ap Ezreal long before the changes. How is the situation right now? I have seen a lot of people complaining it's not really better now and also see a lot of the builds being statik or mura. While I see the value of statik and wave clearing, does pure ap work? I also don't like the idea of electrocute. I want to have that mid/late game powerful w and e so dark harvest might be better suited.
Testing 1st items, 2nd items, and hybrid builds (3rd items).
ER vs. Trinity. Level 8, D Bow (+5 haste to replicate legend tenacity). ER+long sword: Q damage: 294. Dps AQWAEAQA: 407, 400.
Trinity: Q: 307. Dps: 349, 373, 385, 373, 385. Trinity does 20 less dps but has 333 more hp. ER has more mana. Trinity is stronger, while ER doesn't run out of mana at 1-3 items.
Trinity Bork lvl 12. 3 Q dps: 292+29 lifesteal. Dps: 618+62 lifesteal.
Trinity Muramana. 3 Q dps: 360. Dps: 713. Bork is mainly an option vs. poke and tanks.
Trinity Muramana Archangels. Lvl 15. Q dps: 553. Dps: 837.
Trinity Muramana Seraphs. Q dps: 585. Dps: 844.
Grudge 3rd. Q dps: 562. Dps: 929.
Shojin 3rd. Q dps: 511, 533, 525. Dps: 792.
Blackfire torch 3rd. Q dps: 511. Dps: 837.
Actualizer. Q dps: 437, 447. Dps with active: 861, 935, 869.
AD deals more dps with autoattacks but AP has bigger ults. Seraph's has a shield which makes it equal to Grudge but with bigger ults.
Winters approach 3rd. + 25 AD. Q dps: 478. Dps: 802.
Fimbulwinter 3rd: Q dps: 516. Dps: 805.
Conclusions: First item has some variation. 3rd item Seraph's does similar damage but has huge ults, so Seraphs 3rd should be good into non-tanks.
Feels good—I love playing AP Ezreal at his full power again!
I don't care what anyone says, AP Ezreal was and will always be the only way I can enjoy playing the champ (same for Zeri)
I been doing a ap ezreal mid run started yesterday, ts so fun I think is gonna get nerfed, I been playing on and off ap ezreal since SivHD era, nostalgia hitting hard with it being viable again, I thought I’d share my games so far, hoping for some recommendations on build/runes.
Been playing more AP Ezreal since the update, enjoying how he feels, it doesn’t feel like all of my damage is in my W+E combo anymore with proper AP scaling in Q. I’ve seen a ton of builds that delve into his main AP style- burst, which makes sense, but given the Q scaling and his passive, I want to make an attack speed/Q focus build that leans on the AP side of things. Anyone got tips? I’ve been going a lethal tempo rune style like AD and then building him like Kayle- which did have good results, top damage, but I feel like it can be optimized to ezreal specifically.
Hello!
I have been playing AP/Double Tear Ezreal since season 2, I played double tear since season 3, a few weeks after it came out, years before it was meta. With the news I've been back in action, and took a stroll around the subreddit and found some of the top posts are building him wrong, or otherwise have bad information. So here are some fundamentals for getting the most out of the "new" AP Ezreal.
Here is my account! https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/PotatoMine-NA1/mastery
1,747,980 mastery points on Ezreal only includes the games played after the mastery system came out. It'd be over 3 million for sure if all my Ezreal games got included. My account is currently only Plat 1, but with the changes that is not going to take long to fix.
This is targeted at mid lane, but the same concepts apply bot lane and also top lane and also support. I don't typically jungle, but I do think he can make for a fine jungler now, I plan to try it.
First, max W, not Q. Then, after you max W, max E next, not Q. But take Q at level 1. This simple change is bigger than many people realize because it means you do not have to build a mana item. What you have to understand is that when you increase the rank of Q, it also increases the mana cost, but the base damage increase on Q is much less than W or E, meaning you get less damage and then run out of mana. Related to this, get good at his W E combo, and not getting yourself killed in the process. If you max W then E, it deals a massive amount of damage with an auto attack to apply electrocute.
I don't play Ezreal bot much, so it is very possible that the reason people max Q is because if you max W -> E and you go for the W E combo you are much more likely to die than in mid lane. But for any role not bot(mid support top jungle) W E max is much better. A key skill for being good at AP Ezreal is understanding that E is an offensive spell not just a defensive spell, for me I got a lot better at AP Ezreal when I played mages with no mobility (Xerath, AP Twitch) because there will be a moment after you W E that you ARE a no mobility mage. You need to have the skill and guts to handle that, you are not just a back line poke mage. If you want to do that, I recommend Xerath.
Don't go double tear. It's bad. Again I played the build for years, and it used to be good, very good. But understand the game was different years ago, and the items were different years ago. The whole idea is that it scale really well right? Bullshit. It does not scale any better than normal AP items, quite the opposite because it makes magic penetration bad. I have decided not to post the math that supports this because it takes up an entire page, but trust me, I have done the math, I am right.
The critical error in the math people use to justify double tear is the mana, but if you max your skills correctly every bit of gold spent on mana is gold wasted. Something the newer Ezreal players don't understand is this has been true ever since the rework. But with the mana return, your entire W E combo has it's mana given back to you, and W only cost 50 mana at all ranks to fish for the W E combo set up.
From there, you can simply go pure damage, I have been doing Lich Bane > Deathcap > Voidstaff, I don't know if this is optimal, but it's simple and works. There are lots of different build options, but the core detail is don't waste gold on stats you don't need, and the stat people waste the most gold on is mana. Also, don't skip the Litch Bane, you need it for wave clear, but even then, understand AP Ezreal does not win from being good at killing minions, AP Ezreal wins from being good at killing champions.
I could go on, but need to go, but will respond to comments later. If you plan to tell me I'm wrong about double tear, bring math.
Edit : I'm now Emerald! Damn, that was easy. It is night and day. To give some global response to comments, people cite wave clear as the reason to max Q first, that might have been true before the patch, there is a reason I have this titled as "new" AP Ezreal, it really is new territory now. Remember people, .25 extra AP ratio on increases wave clear from AP, and the ult change means raw AP can let your ult clear minions waves cleanly. It is a 1.1AP ratio, that is MASSIVE.
I see everyone going pta, gunblade etc kinda build, I went full ap classic mage build this time + electrocute and was able to carry this rough game will keep testing. (lane phase was rough vs malphite though) it got much better after buying dcap and teamfights.
After testing it a bunch, I honestly notice a very marginal difference playing AP Ezreal before and after patch. Your Q's still deal very little dmg before lichbane, its not optimal to rush it either as gunblade is significantly better for poke and wave clear. Hybrid build still reigns as the best by a mile (double tear works slightly better now since going seraphs 2nd before lich isnt as troll if fed) but building it feels clunky and is outright painful if behind. Wave clear still sucks until 5th item (manamune). rabadon (4th item) spike feels noticeably better and is where u can begin to 1v9 late
Build path Ive been using : Dblade start > tear first B > Gunblade > Seraphs + 2nd tear > Lich > Raba > Manamune.
I've tried other build paths but this feels the most consistent at all stages, other builds either fall off too hard or suck too much early
Runes: DH/Sudden Impact/Sixth Sense (or trinket haste)/Ultimate Hunter 2ndary: Manaflow/Transcendence
Build is played mid, so getting DH stacks through roams and such is fairly easy, hardest part is pushing ur wave in and getting roam off before next one comes. You stomp almost every mid laner early on, so letting them hover below half can also help you stack DH
anyways, buffs feel like they genuinely did nothing for AP Ez, noticing no real difference
With the recent change to shiv, it procs on hit effects. Ravenous has an on hit effect that triggers an aoe around your targets.
Meaning when you Q a wave, lightning hits the whole wave and the ravenous will proc off of the whole wave, causing it to basically implode lol.
Basically, you're deleting waves as Ezreal of all champions. Any long time Ezreal players should know how rare it is for Ezreal to ever get any kind of actual real wave clear lol. Its kinda nutty.
Title. I don't get why people are doing the same build on him when his AP ratios got turbo buffed.
Q rank progression: .25 sec cd reduction, +25 damage
W rank progression: +55 damage
E rank progression: 3 sec cd reduction, +50 damage
Now with Q having a "decent" 40% AP scaling and Shiv to facilitate waveclear and providing AP AND AD, why not go for something like:
Conqueror/PTA/FS
R > W > E > Q
Shiv > Sheen item > stacked Tear item
Thoughts? Not an Ez main but I like theorycrafting lol
Rageblade doesnt apply Muramanas onhit with Q, but DaD does
Has anyone else tested this?
it works similar to how spirt of the elder lizard did, except without true damage.
i'm thinking of throwing it with manaflow band, transcendence, scorch, presence of mind and legend: haste and building IBG + manamune with random blue items just to test it out.
if it turns out its not good, i hope its at least fun.
NA silver , summoner level 140, ezreal mastery 45
AP Ez was always my jam back in the day so naturally I have to make it work. I am shocked to see people not bringing up shiv, it gives 45 AP now and helps so much with clear. I skip muramana all together because its on hit effect doesnt work with shiv (for some reason) and I go gunblade second. The AD from shiv + blade plus shocks gives you a surprising amount of clear.
After you gotta go into lich then rabadons and at 4 items you can pop people hard, but even earlier with just shiv + gunblade components you still pump out damage.
I've seen that AP ratio will be up on Ezreal. Does it released yet?