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Apologies if this has been asked before, but has there ever been any modern(ish) attempts to fulfill Mary’s final wishes and move CoA?

I know there was renovations to CoA tomb. And that Mary had been moved to be under Elizabeth. (And that is likely where she’ll remain.)

But it just makes me sad that even in death Mary was separated from her mother.

It would be very expensive. And there is most likely not enough of us who would have the ability or means to acquire the funds. But if we could… in an ideal world where this wasn’t so niche and created something like a go fund me page. I’d love to see both women reunited with their mothers.

Anne (if there’s anything left at least!) moved to be with Elizabeth. And Mary moved to be beside Catherine.

From a political standpoint, it didn’t make a lot of sense for Elizabeth to respect Mary’s wishes. Because moving Catherine might appear to be uplifting Mary’s mother instead of her own.And I know they had a very complicated relationship in life. But neither Mary or Elizabeth were at fault during Henry’s “great matter” and everything that followed.

And like most things Tudor, it’s complicated.

Has anyone done anything like that since CoA grave was restored by the national appeal by Katherine Clayton?

This is a pipe dream, and I know this is incredibly unlikely to happen in my lifetime if ever. But wouldn’t it be nice if it did?

Imagine Netflix or something like that aprouched you about making movies following Tudor period.

You could make as many movies as you would like as long as the main character is of Tudor blood and of their time period.

Also you could tackle things that happened at the same time as the main storyline in their own movies (meaning you could do movies about Mary Queen of France and Margaret Queen of Scotland, for example).

How would you do it and map it out?

Is there any record how often Elizabeth saw her father, Henry? I imagine they at least saw each other at Christmas, maybe Easter. Did he ever visit her outside of holidays?

Within the past two days on this sub, I have noticed some dogpiling and a use of harsh language and derogatory terms from some users when answering questions or posts.

Within the past two days on this sub I have been told to “rot” been called a “fucking bitch,” a “conspiracy theorist” and was brought to tears because I asked a question inspired by History Calling’s video “Historian reacts to new Princes in the tower evidence.” The documentary By Phillipa Langley. where she posed the question “Why didn’t Henry VII (7th) just present some bodies as the princes in the tower from an out of the way cemetery?” Timestamp is 9 minutes and 30 seconds.

This is a subreddit I generally enjoy being in and I want to continue, but the way things are right now? It feels like dogpiling. And it was to the point where people kept going after I asked them to stop, and deleted the post. Comments continued even after that, and it got to the point where Mods had to lock a post that I had already deleted because I felt stupid and degraded for asking a question in good faith.

I was genuinely shocked by the reaction, because when this video originally first came out, the majority sang its praises and shared massive respect towards HC.

I’ll link the video and the threads in the comments below. It might take me a few minutes to get everything together. But I just want to remind everyone that it is fine to disagree, and have discussions but please remember to be kind.

ETA: it seems I can’t link deleted posts. Which makes sense.

I am asking whether he did so, out of fear that he would be seen as ruling as consort and as basing his rule on Elizabeth of York's claim and not as king regnant. I am not saying that he did not love her later, or underestimating the relationship, just asking about his perception of power.

I think a lot could have been avoided if Henry VII had just presented some bodies as The Princes In The Tower? like would it be ethical to dig up some children’s graves? No, but it would have strengthened his claims and put an end to any pretender plots.

Though, Tbf it is easy to say this in hindsight. But with as fait a claim as he had, wouldn’t it have helped him?

It’s not like they had DNA tests back then.

Elizabeth I theoretically could marry, but the person she would marry would want to be a ruler.

The fact that Catherine of Aragon's children either died while she was pregnant or were stillborn, Anne Boleyn miscarried many times, Henry Fitzroy passed away at the age of seventeen, Jane Seymour passed away eleven days aftet giving birth to King Edward VI (preventing her from having any more children with Henry VIII) and said son dying at age fifteen, Henry VIII finding Anne of Cleves unattractive, Katherine Howard never becoming pregnant, as well as Catherine Howard remaining childless (she did end up having a daughter but not with Henry VIII), and Queen Mary I dying without any children.

Not coincidences. It was God's plan. She was destined from conception to be the future Queen Elizabeth I.

I'm asking this because I always thought it was a weird match considering, from what I read about the Howards, especially her brother Norfolk, were quite snob and arrogant about the prestige of their family.

I’ve been reading about the outbreaks during Henry VII and Henry VIII’s reigns, and it sounds way more terrifying than the Black Death. It would literally kill healthy people within 24 hours - you’d wake up fine and be dead by dinner.

What’s even weirder is that it seemed to target the wealthy and the young more than the poor, which is the opposite of how most diseases work. Anne Boleyn almost died from it, and it basically cleared out half the court at one point.

And then… it just vanished in 1551 and never came back? No one even knows what it actually was (virus? bacteria?). Does anyone have a favorite theory on this? It feels like a plot point from a sci-fi movie that actually happened in 16th-century London.

I focus more on his father, although I do know plenty about the family in personal life! But every time I try to get into the nitty gritty of it all, it’s mostly modern religious takes and I don’t know how they differ.

I know one major thing Protestantism brought to England was the publication of the English Bible, the sacking of the monasteries, things like that.

But how different would the religions have truly been?? The reform is definitely not my strong suit but sometimes to me it’s like looking at the same religion but one is without a crucifix and no pope 😭

I’m not religious by any means so I also can’t speak from personal experience between the two in modern times.

In Peter Ackroyd's book on the Tudors, he has a tantalizing line about courtiers in the Safavid Empire referencing London when talking about the extent of trade in Elizabethan England. It made me wonder- had any of the Tudor royals had an interest in cultural information from outside Christian Europe, would they reasonably be able to access it? Elizabeth was known to be particularly interested in learning languages and translations, and I can see a scenario where she wants to learn the Turkish language of the Ottomans, or if she heard of the Safavids and demanded to know their language. Or if Mary I was curious, could she access the Koran? Even if they couldn't for one reason or another, is there evidence of any of them trying to find out more?

I specify royals because of resources and avoiding religious policing for having what I'm sure would be contraband materials (I mean, if they're as aggressive as they were on prayer books and translated bibles, I can't imagine Islamic or Hindu texts would be acceptable). It feels like an easy question to answer, but I actually am not even really sure how to search for it. I know religious practice was heavily policed, but they read Greek texts from pagans for educational purposes, so if further afield things really were unacceptable, was that explicitly legislated? I am asking specifically what they had access to, both legally and practically, and could even be expected to know about the broader world, not an alternate history.