u/Ramblingsofthewriter

Apologies if this has been asked before, but has there ever been any modern(ish) attempts to fulfill Mary’s final wishes and move CoA?

I know there was renovations to CoA tomb. And that Mary had been moved to be under Elizabeth. (And that is likely where she’ll remain.)

But it just makes me sad that even in death Mary was separated from her mother.

It would be very expensive. And there is most likely not enough of us who would have the ability or means to acquire the funds. But if we could… in an ideal world where this wasn’t so niche and created something like a go fund me page. I’d love to see both women reunited with their mothers.

Anne (if there’s anything left at least!) moved to be with Elizabeth. And Mary moved to be beside Catherine.

From a political standpoint, it didn’t make a lot of sense for Elizabeth to respect Mary’s wishes. Because moving Catherine might appear to be uplifting Mary’s mother instead of her own.And I know they had a very complicated relationship in life. But neither Mary or Elizabeth were at fault during Henry’s “great matter” and everything that followed.

And like most things Tudor, it’s complicated.

Has anyone done anything like that since CoA grave was restored by the national appeal by Katherine Clayton?

This is a pipe dream, and I know this is incredibly unlikely to happen in my lifetime if ever. But wouldn’t it be nice if it did?

Within the past two days on this sub, I have noticed some dogpiling and a use of harsh language and derogatory terms from some users when answering questions or posts.

Within the past two days on this sub I have been told to “rot” been called a “fucking bitch,” a “conspiracy theorist” and was brought to tears because I asked a question inspired by History Calling’s video “Historian reacts to new Princes in the tower evidence.” The documentary By Phillipa Langley. where she posed the question “Why didn’t Henry VII (7th) just present some bodies as the princes in the tower from an out of the way cemetery?” Timestamp is 9 minutes and 30 seconds.

This is a subreddit I generally enjoy being in and I want to continue, but the way things are right now? It feels like dogpiling. And it was to the point where people kept going after I asked them to stop, and deleted the post. Comments continued even after that, and it got to the point where Mods had to lock a post that I had already deleted because I felt stupid and degraded for asking a question in good faith.

I was genuinely shocked by the reaction, because when this video originally first came out, the majority sang its praises and shared massive respect towards HC.

I’ll link the video and the threads in the comments below. It might take me a few minutes to get everything together. But I just want to remind everyone that it is fine to disagree, and have discussions but please remember to be kind.

ETA: it seems I can’t link deleted posts. Which makes sense.

I think a lot could have been avoided if Henry VII had just presented some bodies as The Princes In The Tower? like would it be ethical to dig up some children’s graves? No, but it would have strengthened his claims and put an end to any pretender plots.

Though, Tbf it is easy to say this in hindsight. But with as fait a claim as he had, wouldn’t it have helped him?

It’s not like they had DNA tests back then.