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NS Volume = Shoe burn out?

Hey 👋 So with time on feet and volume being kinda essential to NS, where do we stand on replacing shoes?

I’ve been told I need to replace my runners every 600km-1000km. I generally run in Brooks or ASICS which are hardly cheap.

I know a lot of you guys are running 60km+ weeks, does that mean you’re replacing shoes every 3 months?!

Cheers

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u/Sudden_Problem_2368 — 15 hours ago

What pace is my easy run?

Did a lactate test on a treadmill and i have the same lactate at 5:30min/km and 4:37min/km (1.7mmol) but my heart rate at 5:30 is 130bpm and at 4:37 is around 150bpm.

I have 31:30 at 10k pace.. don't ask me how i have this high heart rate in zone 2 but yeah... I don't know at what heart rate should i aim for, 130bpm or 150bpm

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u/mikeeagv — 11 hours ago

From NSM to VO2 max: trying to break a 3-year plateau

Over the past few years I’ve mostly followed a “Norwegian single threshold” approach — typically three sub-threshold sessions per week, combined with a lot of very easy running in between, and relatively little time spent at very high intensity.

It worked initially, but I’ve basically plateaued. I’ve been stuck around ~38 minutes for 10K for the last 3 years without any real progress despite consistent training. That’s made me step back and rethink my approach, and start looking for alternative ways to improve.

Over the last couple of weeks, I’ve experimented with a different structure:
– 2 VO2 max sessions per week
– 1 threshold session
– Less easy mileage

The VO2 max work has mainly been:
– 5×5 min uphill (10% incline on treadmill)
– 30×(45s hard / 15s rest) on treadmill

This is obviously a big shift toward higher intensity, and I’m already starting to see noticeable improvements in performance. That said, I don’t see this as a long-term approach. Rather, it seems like these kinds of VO2 max-focused blocks might be necessary at times to raise the ceiling, before transitioning back to more threshold-focused training to build on that.

My current thinking:
If your aerobic “ceiling” (VO2 max) isn’t high enough, more threshold work won’t necessarily move the needle. I’m hitting threshold at ~90% of max HR — which is on the higher end of what’s typically reported — suggesting that my fractional utilization is already quite high. That makes me think VO2 max itself is the limiting factor. For runners with a similar profile, prioritizing VO2 max work for a period might be a more effective approach than simply adding more threshold volume.

Curious what others think.

12.05: Update with some additional information:
At the start of 2023 I switched to a more NSM-style setup, where I was doing 3 sub-threshold sessions per week plus a long run of around 18–20 km. Before that, my training was less structured and included more traditional “hard” interval work.

2023 ended up being my best year. I averaged around 70 km per week, ran a low 1:25 half marathon, and set my current 10K PB of 37:49.

Since then I’ve continued training largely within the same NSM-style training, while gradually increasing volume—around 80 km/week in 2024 and 85–90 km/week in 2025. (I’ve also tried running 100–110 km weeks, but I tend to feel pretty terrible when I do, and my interval paces at the same lactate level actually get worse.)

Despite this, my best performances are still from 2023. Since then I’ve run a lot of races in the low 38s for 10K and high 1:25s for the half, but I’ve struggled to move beyond that level despite putting in consistent work.

I’m in my "prime", 29 years old, so I feel like I should still be improving, not plateauing, which is part of why I’m questioning things a bit more now.

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u/Knutsen2 — 3 days ago

Adjusting to slightly faster Easy pace at a social run club

Hi guys,

This might be a dumb question, but I wondered if you would make any adjustments for running one or two of your weekly easy runs at a slightly faster pace (as that is the prescribed pace of the social club)? For example, my easy pace is between 6:15-6:45 depending on the day, and the social clubs I am looking at run at 6:00 pace.

On intervals, this pace would take me into zone 2 Friel and I would imagine it might take me slightly above 70% MHR.

Any suggestions for how to approach this? Especially if I had a subT session the next day?

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u/porterhouse26 — 1 day ago

HR discrepancy between subt days

I’ve noticed that my HR is consistently lower (~5-10 bpm) on the 3x10 days compared to the shorter reps (
I’m following the subT pace recommendations from sirpoc’s book. Does this mean I should go faster on the 3 by 10 days, or slower on the shorter days? Or is this maybe due to the fact that I’m freshest on Tuesdays? Does anyone else experience this?

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u/Weary_Cup_7856 — 21 hours ago
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Race report: Copenhagen Marathon 2026

Race Information

  • Name: Copenhagen Marathon 2026
  • Date: April 10, 2026
  • Distance: 26.2 miles
  • Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
  • Time: 2:49 low

Goals

Goal Description Completed?
A 2:45:xx No
B sub 2:50 Yes
C PB (sub 2:56 high) Yes

Splits

Kilometer Time
1 3:58
2 4:00
3 3:55
4 3:57
5 3:53
6 3:50
7 3:50
8 3:50
9 3:51
10 3:48
11 3:52
12 3:52
13 3:56
14 3:51
15 3:51
16 3:53
17 3:55
18 3:51
19 3:53
20 3:54
21 3:51
22 3:53
23 3:52
24 3:54
25 3:55
26 3:51
27 3:48
28 3:57
29 3:55
30 3:54
31 3:54
32 3:54
33 3:56
34 3:55
35 5:19 :(
36 4:03
37 4:20
38 4:18
39 4:06
40 4:04
41 4:07
42 3:59
43 3:43 (700 meters total)

Training

As many others I (M35) have tried out the NSA method during this training period. Or at least a somewhat tailored version of it to adhere to my own weekly routines. This meant running 6 Days a week. With one full rest day, for the most part on Sundays due to various Life commitments that I won’t bother getting into.

I started training with this method in mind mid-october with a targeted weekly mileage of 85 km/week. I have gradually increased this mileage in periods and the last 12 weeks Before the race I aimed and comfortably landed between 105-112 km each week. I kept the same structure for the entire period though and in general my weekly Schedule looked like this:

  • M: AM: 3x3 km, PM: Strength training/Prehab
  • T: Easy
  • W: AM: 10x1 km, PM: Strength training/Prehab
  • T: Easy
  • F: 4x2 km
  • S: Long easy

During Winter, for a period of 5 weeks or so I had 10x1 km on Fridays instead. And switched out the ST workout on Wednesdays for a 5x5 min hill workout instead. I rarely did any doubles except weeks where life commitments and traveling prohibited me from the regular structure.

As the Marathon was creeping closer (around 12 weeks out) I started tweaking this Schedule according to "the sirpoc Marathon build (source)". the 3x3 became 4x3. I replaced the F ST workout 3 times during this for an Easy run instead and then a Classic 4x5 @ MP long run during the Saturday session. At one time I also replaced the regular Easy long run with a progression run going down to slightly below MP. Due to life constraints I had to move around some of the final workouts during the 2 week “taper” but nothing out of the ordinary was changed by me. I also did a small tune up 10 k on a hilly course in march finishing with a nice PB of mid 35:xx.

I had lab tests done at the beginning of the "block" in november 2025 where LT2 was placed @3:50 min/km, LT1 @4:20 and VO2 max @66. So I was decently confident in my paces during training. I had a followup lab test done mid april 2026 where LT2 was placed @3:45 and LT1 @4:15. I already had a hunch about these numbers going into each test because of the training in general. I can clearly say that I do not seem to be a hyper-responder at all to this method. 5 s/km in 6 months is by no means a breakthrough and I am a bit disappointed by the fact that all those hours, early mornings in darkness and snow I have put down has led to so little progress. But I guess that's Life.

Anyway, I had my numbers. The training was done. During my key Marathon sessions (4x5) I had always managed to stay below LT2 HR by at least 5 bpm when "cruising" @ 3:51-3:52 pace, so slightly faster than my goal pace of around 3:55 for the full distance A goal of 2:45:xx hour finish time

Pre-race

This is my 7th Marathon, so by now I have my routines set. I traveled to Copenhagen on Thursday in order to get a few extra days in the area. Mostly took it chill but did shift my diet to be more carb centric already on thursday. In general, these days were pretty uneventful leading up the raceday. I mainly focused on staying calm, taking in extra electrolytes, absurd amounts of pasta and the evening Before raceday I also sipped on a Maurten drink mix.

On raceday I woke up at 6AM (I had some traveling to do to the startline). The weather forecast promised and had also delivered perfect weather. around 10-11 degrees, cloudy and no wind. 2 hours and 45 minutes before the start I took my nomio shot, afterwards I ate my regular pre-race breakfast for the past 3 years. Overnight oats. I also started sipping on a Maurten caffeinated drink mix to top off the glycogen stores.

I arrived safely at the race area, warmed up and then entered my corral. I felt calm and collected. I had done my preparations and was looking forward to running a good race. Suddenly people started running, I did not hear a gun go off at all so I was a bit startled by this. But I guess the race was on.

Race

I had pre-prepped a Garmin pace pro with a finish time of 2:45:30. The plan was to take the first 3 kilometers "easy" with a pace of around 4:00 in order to have a smooth entrance into the race. Then I was going to gradually drop down to race pace and stick to that pace for the remainder of the course. This all went according to plan. Breathing felt fine, legs felt fine.

I think most of us who have done a Marathon knows that sooner or later the dark thoughts creep into the mind. Usually these creep into my mind not until the 32-34 kilometer mark when the fatigue really settles into your legs.

What was a bit different at least to me during this Marathon was that the dark thoughts came way sooner. I already started feeling them around kilometer 10. They would come and go, as would the beginnings of fatigue. Sometimes I would feel a bit tired. Sometimes I would feel incredible. But I was bang on pace the whole time but perhaps felt that I was working a bit too hard compared to what I should be doing in order to last the full distance. HR was a little bit over what it usually was in training, but not by much. And not over LT2 by at least a small margin (around 171 avg, with LT2 HR measured in October at 173 and at 175 in April). At kilometer 8-9 I found a group of young guys dressed in purple that were obviously running together. They basically kept exactly the same pace as me. So I decided to hang out with them and work together with them.

This helped me settle in. But I still had the same ups and downs as described before. But I felt like I was hanging on but still working hard. Even so, the kilometers kept ticking by. Every 5th kilometer I downed my maurten gel, I tried zipping on them and taking them on for a period of 2 minutes each time so as to not overwhelm the stomach. The kilometers crept by and I was working hard. But not overcooking by my own standards from what experience tells me in previous races. I was definitely at marathon effort and the crowd was electric the whole course!

At kilometer 35 disaster finally struck. A stabbing sensation to my abdomen, like someone is putting a knife in there and twisting. The pain is excruciating. 2 years ago I have experienced the same issue. A sudden out of nowhere stabbing sensation a couple of inches to the right side of my belly button, just below the ribs. I had not option but to stop and try and massage the area and calm myself down. I was forced to walk for 90 seconds to get it under control which I managed somewhat (although still in pain).

But the damage was already done. I was suddenly 1 minute behind schedule. And I could not get back to the same intensity without triggering the same issues. For 2 kilometers I “jogged” at around 4:20 pace. I tried taking on my planned gel + water but either source of nourishment just triggered the same issues. So further gels or water was to be a no go until the finish line.

I managed to get down to around 4:00 pace again. But the pain in my stomach would not go away completely. And the fatigue in the legs had really started to hammer down on me as well. I had by this point switched focus. 2:45 was out of the window. But the B goal of sub 2:50 was still well within reach. As well as the goal of a BQ (I am M35 and from my understanding for my age group the qualifier is sub 3 hours - the cutoff time, but please corroborate on this if you know more). This would also be a nice PB either way. And you cannot be completely unhappy with at least a PB

Lot’s of people were at this point passing me which was taxing mentally. But I fought tooth and nail to hold everything together. At last I rounded the last corner and could see the finish line 800 meters away. I took a look at the watch, I was still well within reach of sub 2:50. But even so I still managed a “long sprint” finishing the last kilometer by passing dozens of people with the “scary” average pace of 3:44 in the last kilometer. I finished at the official time 2:49:15

Post-race

After I managed to grab some water and sit down in the finisher area. I called up my girlfriend and gave her a report of what had happened. I took some funny pictures with my and my medal, rang the PB bell before taking a walk to the train and head home. My hips were sore, my knee hurt a bit as well. But this for the most part passed already the next day.

I cannot help but question if I have done something wrong with the NSA method. I have ran 1800 kilometers this year alone so far, it is not absurd amounts, but a decent amount none the less. I would have thought that I would have had more of a breakthrough after sticking to this method for close to seven months, but the lab tests tell another tale, black on white. My last marathon PB was done 1 year ago at the Stockholm Marathon where I ran 2:56 high. Copenhagen is way flatter, so I consider the times to be decently similar. I guess the result in Copenhagen can also be boiled down to me overestimating my abilities and overcooking things a bit too soon. But hindsight is 20/20 I guess. The course also "felt" a bit too long according to GPS in garmin, so I was always running a bit faster. But I guess I am mostly grasping at straws here, feeling a bit letdown by myself.

I am still sore in the abdomen two days after the race when the side stitches hit me. I never experienced this in training and it has only occurred a total of two times at all in my years of running and only during race. So I am not quite sure about the reason? Perhaps a weak core? Perhaps it is the energy plan? Perhaps it is the gels in general?

As for what is next? I have the Stockholm Marathon coming up in 3 weeks (5th time in a row that I run it). The plan is to do it “for fun” and act as unofficial pacer. The next “goal” marathon will be the Amsterdam Marathon in the autumn, as well as a bunch of halfies leading up to this. I will for one thing be back in copenhagen running the halfie there, which I am really looking forward to. I really want to experience a crowd like the Copenhagen one again.

I am decently satisfied with the shape I am in and will most likely continue with a variation of the NSA method during summer. But with less running volume, but keeping at least two sub T sessions and replacing some easy mileage with the bike. I enjoy the variety in sports, it keeps me happy and from burning out. I still have my hopes up that I will improve at a more “rapid” pace in light of the hours I am putting in here. But at the same time; this progression ,or lack of it normal? Plan for thie coming days is to rest a bit, then get on the bike to get the legs to turnover before going on my first run back in the weekend sometime.

Thank you for reading this far!

Made with a new race report generator created by u/herumph.

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u/Formal-War5229 — 2 days ago

Norwegian Singles 1.6.0 Released! Auto push scheduled workouts to Apple Watch, Indoor Run Support, Race Date-Specific Plan Builder, Marathon-Specific Workouts, UI Polish Updates, Pace/UI/Ongoing Training Improvements, Donationware Implementation

As always, thank you so much for the continued support and feedback since the last release. This one has a lot of correctness work alongside some big new features, and the headline is that planned Apple Watch workouts, completed-run analysis, and race planning are much better .

Download for iOS.

Download on the Play Store.

If you'd like to support even more, there are three things that would be most valuable:

  • Leave a 5-star review on the app/play store (and if it's not a 5-star app yet, please let me know how I can make it one)

  • Make a monthly donation! You can now make a monthly recurring donation to support the continued improvement of the app. Currently, my tooling costs are somewhere in the range of $250/month (not to mention 20+ hours/wk). My goal is to cover these costs as well as get a cheap Garmin device so that I'm not relying so much on my users as live app guinea pigs!

  • Join our discord! You can access it via the link on the Profile tab of the app since Reddit won't let me post a discord link in my post body. If you leave a feature request or bug report in the Discord, I typically will implement/fix it that day or the next day.

Anyway, the release notes!

Apple Watch Planned Workouts

iOS users can now keep the next 7 days of Norwegian Singles workouts scheduled directly in Apple's Workout app. Turn it on from Integrations, sync your schedule, and the app will keep upcoming workouts refreshed as your plan changes. The existing one-off Send to Watch button is still there for individual workouts.

You can also choose whether scheduled Watch workouts include alerts, and one-off Watch sends can now be sent as Outdoor Run or Indoor Run. That should make treadmill days feel a lot less awkward.

Completed Run Details

Tapping a completed workout from the Plan tab now opens a real completed-run view. You can see pace and heart-rate charts, heart-rate zone time, splits, laps, intervals, elevation, weather when available, and prescribed vs actual workout tables.

Quality workouts are much easier to read after the fact. The app now separates what was prescribed from what your watch or intervals.icu detected, instead of implying that every watch lap perfectly matched every planned interval.

Multi-activity days also behave better. If you split a day across multiple runs, totals are now more consistent across the card, preview, and debug output.

Norwegian Singles Method Pace Accuracy

Sub-threshold paces now come from the Norwegian Singles Method book table when your 5K time is known. Slower 5K times beyond the printed table now extrapolate more sensibly instead of getting clamped to the final row.

The Training Paces screen also has more useful rows now: 5K, 10K, 3-minute, 6-minute, 10-minute, 30K, and marathon pace. Pace steppers move by 1 second per tap so small adjustments are easier.

Across the plan and workout screens, the app now avoids confusing labels like 15K, 30K, and HM pace for sub-threshold work. The underlying paces are unchanged where they should be, but the visible labels are cleaner.

Race Plans

Race plans now start from a real race date by default. You can pick the race date from a built-in calendar, set a start week, and the plan places race day on the actual calendar day instead of working backward from a vague number of weeks.

The setup flow now asks you to explicitly choose peak weekly volume and max long-run duration. The app gives clearer guidance and warnings around those choices, rather than silently guessing and sometimes creating odd long-run/easy-run balance.

Race-plan long runs and taper weeks got a lot of cleanup too. Long-run caps are respected more consistently, max long runs behave more like peak exposures instead of repeated plateaus, and taper weeks should avoid surprise oversized long runs.

Marathon Plans

Marathon plans now include race-specific marathon-pace workouts in the final block. Those sessions now show the correct planned time and distance on plan cards, weekly totals, share cards, and sync metadata.

Marathon taper behavior is also more sane, especially for lower-volume runners or plans with fewer run days. Four-day marathon plans now default to a more appropriate long-run share at peak volume, and Quality Long Run behavior was reworked so it moves a real quality session into the long run instead of inventing a separate hard block.

Ongoing Training

Ongoing training can now have a volume cap, so the plan does not build forever. You can set a ceiling during setup, and future weeks will respect it.

The progression engine now keeps your selected quality ratio stable instead of creeping upward over time. It also balances new reps across workouts more cleanly as volume grows.

Short, Balanced, and Long session preference now works better in race plans, weekly plans, and ongoing plans. If you only have one or two quality sessions per week, the app now explains exactly what you will get and rotates the missing workout types week to week.

Ongoing race weeks no longer become the baseline for the next normal week, and Monday rollover is more deterministic. In plain English: the app should be much less likely to get stuck looking at stale weeks.

Weekly Training Brief

Ongoing plans now produce a Weekly Training Brief after the week ends. It summarizes what you actually completed: total time, distance, matched runs, long run, and day-by-day completion.

It appears once as a bottom sheet, and the brief remains available inside the plan view after that.

Indoor and Treadmill Training

Indoor and treadmill runs from Strava and intervals.icu can now match back to your plan. The app is less dependent on GPS distance for treadmill runs, so indoor workouts should no longer be ignored just because they do not look like normal outdoor runs.

Apple Watch sends now support Indoor Run as well as Outdoor Run.

Quick Create and Library Saves

Quick Create workouts can finally be saved intentionally. When saving, you can choose whether to update the Quick Create default or save the current workout as a new Library workout.

Rest intervals, open warmup/cooldown choices, and warmup/cooldown timing now survive saves. Library saves also give clearer feedback instead of simply turning the button gray again.

Plan Screen Quality of Life

Plan cards now show the actual calendar date beside the weekday, which makes it much easier to tell similar weeks apart. Ongoing week summaries now include weekly distance too.

Rest days can now be opened and changed from the plan. You can convert them to easy runs, long runs, quality sessions, or races without generating a fake rest workout.

Day-type edits also clear stale workout fields more reliably, so changing a day from quality to easy or race to rest should not leave old workout details behind.

Integrations and Debug Reports

Profile now has a dedicated Integrations screen. Strava, intervals.icu, and Apple Watch scheduling live there with clearer connection status and sync controls, while normal profile settings stay less cluttered.

You can also submit debug reports from inside the app. Reports include useful diagnostic context, which makes it much easier for me to reproduce and fix weird plan, sync, or matching issues.

Matching, Sync, and Notifications

Activity matching now stays inside the visible plan week, so last week's run should not match this week's workout. Private Strava activities can also request expanded access only when needed, rather than asking everyone up front.

Manual intervals.icu sync no longer rewrites unchanged plans, which should reduce duplicate workouts for Garmin and COROS users. Strava sync also runs less aggressively in the background.

Daily training notifications now look up the workout for the actual alarm date, which should prevent Sunday/Monday rollover weirdness.

Heart Rate Training Polish

Easy heart-rate targets now use a useful floor and ceiling for training-load calculations. HR Easy mode also preserves warmup targets correctly inside the app and when sending to Apple Watch.

Heart-rate sync behavior was adjusted to avoid confusing mixed HR/pace targets for Garmin and COROS workouts.

Other Bug Fixes

Reset All Data now clears completed-run matches and caches more completely.

Flat runs can still show elevation charts instead of hiding the section just because total gain is small.

Leaving race-plan setup without saving no longer resets ongoing training.

Current supporters no longer see the supporter announcement, and the old What's New popup is quiet until there is actually something new to announce.

u/NSM-Sean — 3 days ago

Kristoffer Ingebrigsten runs 2:29:32 in Copenhagen

Not to discount his achievement, but I honestly thought that he'd run a lot faster.

u/SecondsforLunch — 4 days ago

Long Term NSM Runners

Hi Reddit Folks,

I've been training doing vanilla NSM since January. I've gone from running 19:06 to 18:22 in the 5,000, and I'm still as motivated as day one. My question is, what are folk's results after using the system in the long term? How many folks on here have been doing this for more than a year? For years? We all know about James' success, but I want to hear other people's stories.

And as a bonus questions, has anyone graphed out James' time trials? I'd love to see his progression in the 5,000 and compare it to my own.

Here are my results so far:

1/30: 19:06

2/28: 18:48

3/28: 18:22

4/26: 18:25

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u/Nice-Purchase448 — 1 day ago

Easy runs by Pace vs Heart Rate

Quick backstory: I have been getting back into running consistently since last Summer / Fall and noticed once again that it doesn’t take much for niggles / small injuries to appear for me.

On the search for a solution to this I decided to try out the Norwegian / Norwegian Singles style of training and I have seen some first results already (new 5k Pb, 22:04 from 22:39 two years ago without any of the race pace work and even on lower mileage than I used to do back then).
I have stuck to the paces from Bakkens golden Zone calculator for subT sessions and they have felt pretty spot on.

Here comes my question regarding the approach to easy runs: Whenever I try to go purely by Heart rate on my easy runs, not looking at pace at all, I run a lot slower than when sticking to a conservative pace and not looking at hr the whole time.
In the two screenshots I ran by pace in the first and by HR in the second one (similar loop, similar conditions, similar RPE, within three weeks of one another). This is not a one of thing, it happens very consistently, I have even tried switching mid run and have seen the same effect.

Has anyone experienced anything similar and do you think there is any harm in going by pace / feel if going conservative enough? Before adding a third quality session (currently on two subT Sessions, 2x Easy 1x Easy Long) I want to make sure I don’t overdo Easy days to avoid burning out.

u/Altruistic_Total9939 — 2 days ago

Classic Newbie Asking Pros For Help 👋

Warning, long post. Only insane NSM addicts should continue!

Background. I’ve always been more of a sprinter - 100m, 200m. Played the wing in rugby etc. I am 5’11 and always had a muscular build. Then in my 20s, I lifted heavy, gym bro stuff, for those beach muscles and put on a ton of weight. I then took up bouldering for 5 years and for the last 2, have been into CrossFit. I’m averagely fit, on the stronger side, I can bench 100kg for 5 reps, Deadlift 160kg for 2 reps etc. I recently got into Hyrox and started running more.

Current state of play is M37, Weight 92kg. Job, 2 kids but have a well protected training window daily.

I decided to try a half marathon last month. I trained with more running focus for about 5 months. I managed to run it in 1 hour 58 minutes.

A friend of mine recently ran a marathon in sub 3 hours. Told me all about Sirpoc and NSM. I’ve been obsessed ever since and signed up for a marathon in April 2027. I’m all in. Finding this sub was very exciting! Why did I fall head over heels for NSM?

My whole training life has been about going hard hard hard at 9/10 RPE. Walking around like a complete zombie the rest of the time. Daily DOMS. Thinking if I don’t feel like this, I’m not training hard and making fast progress. Constantly sick due to low immune system. Always getting injured - I picked up shin splints due to adding in way too much mileage in a few weeks and sprinting in VO2 max sessions I wasn’t ready for, training for the HM. Hence, the appeal of NSM for me.

I’d love to hear from you what you think is possible in 12 months, strictly following NSM, based on my background, for my first ever marathon, with very little distance running experience. The twist in the tail is I plan to compete in a hyrox event in January, so plan to keep training in the gym alongside the running for next 6 months, then go all in on marathon from January for 3 months. I’ve quit the CrossFit gym so I can train at 7/10 rather than the mercy of the class. On my gym days I’ve taken out 20% of my weight to stay at that rate of effort.

I am well educated on sleep, nutrition, recovery etc and have high levels of discipline. If the plan says easy run, that’s no problem for me.

Here is my current plan:

Mon - Gym, Push (Squats, Deadlift etc)
Tue - Easy Run, 5km <150 bpm
Wed - Threshold Run - 5 x 6 mins at 5:15, <175 bpm
Thu - Gym, Pull (Pull ups etc)
Fri - Threshold Run - Same as Wed
Sat - Long Run, 10km <150 bpm
Sun - Full Rest Day

- Am I right to increase one of weekly km, long run km and threshold volume by 5-8% every week?
- I’m starting at 20km per week, where do I need to be by April next year?
- How much will being 92kg impact me? At my peak bouldering weight, I dropped to 78kg.
- Can I still lift twice a week and expect results?
- What mistakes can I avoid especially with my history of injuries
- I have good running shoes & a garmin. I plan to buy a chest strap and the book by Sir Poc. Anything else needed?

If anyone asks, my goal is sub 4 marathon. Deep down, I’m wondering if I could go quicker with a year of disciplined work following NSM?

I’d love to hear from you guys, would love to get a long-term convo going with anyone who’s been doing this for a while and if anyone wants to come along the journey with me, I’m planning on a few halves between now and then to monitor progress. Thanks and have a good night 🙏

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u/Sudden_Problem_2368 — 3 days ago

Paces from LacTrace or Norwegian Singles App ?

I am getting quite different paces for the workouts from those two apps (apart from the temperature adjustment in LacTrace). LacTrace seems to be quite a bit more conservative...

Basically LacTrace gives me a pace for 3 min intervals that Norwegian Singles gives me for 6 min intervals (4:41- 4:49 LacTrace 3 min vs 4:38 midpoint = 4:33 - 4:43 in Norwegian Singles for 3 min, and 4:45 midpoint = 4:40 - 4:50 for 6 min in Norwegian Singles)

Any advice on which one to go with ? Rather err on the safe side (especially as temperatures are getting hot now)

u/MasterMarkus70 — 2 days ago

18 Week (or so) Progress Report

Hey all, this is my personal progress report after 18 weeks of Sirpoc’s Norwegian Singles Method. I think progress reports are kinda silly and self-centered, but I also like listening to success stories of people walking (running) the same path as me, so maybe you’ll like this. I’m not looking for praise, as my ego is enormous already, but if you have any questions or comments I love talking about training even more than I like training, itself.

In December, after a lackluster Turkey Trot, a decided to overhaul my training for the millionth time and do workouts exclusively with 60 seconds rest. Shortly thereafter, I heard about Norwegian Singles and bought the book. I liked Sirpoc’s story, I liked the workouts, and I liked that it was pretty similar to what I was doing anyways, so I decided to devote my entire life to it.

After a brief buildup in early December, I’ve run roughly 50 miles a week every week with three workouts and a long run each week. Workouts are either 3x 10min, 4x 6min, or 8x 3min, all with a minute rest. I started with 15x 1min instead of 3x 10min for a few weeks when I thought I’d be training for a mile. Easy runs are 50 EASY minutes, Long Runs are 80 EASY minutes.

Here are some things I noticed straight away:

1. I felt great. All the time. A stiff zombie gait, especially in the mornings, used to be an accepted consequence of hard training. Now I feel great every day, all day. Even my friends have commented “this is the least geriatric you’ve ever been since I’ve known you.” Aside from that, I just FELT strong.

2. My hip injury disappeared. I’ve a hip injury since July 2024. I tried training through it, taking time off, scrapping running entirely for calisthenics, whatever I did I’d always have nagging hip pain, all day. When I got back into training in January 2025 I kept Sunday a sacred rest day so that my hip could reobtain some semblance of normalcy. Since starting NSM I’ve run every day, and my hip pain has gone away entirely.

3. I’m having fun? My sister and I used to have a workout pace we called “looking cool” pace, which meant you were running fast enough to open up your stride but not fast enough to visibly struggle or, in her words, “anybody driving past you thinks you look really cool.” Every NSM workout is, essentially, looking cool pace. There’s no going to the well, no deals with death, I don’t even procrastinate workouts (as much) because they’re just not that scary. It’s just looking cool, having fun.

My lackluster Turkey Trot was 29:30, or a 56.6 VDOT. I trained at the appropriate paces through December and in early January ran an indoor 5000m in 17:41 (57.5) and could not have run a second faster. I was happy with the improvement, though kinda wishing for a breakthrough.

I ran the Brooklyn Parkrun a month later in 17:48 (or 17:27 according to Strava) feeling pretty good on a weird course, then a 5k in Prospect Park in 17:32 (or 17:19 according to Strava) and probably coulda run a bit faster but had to hold down some lactic bile for the last 400m. So there was some improvement there but nothing I could really point to.

Then I ran the New Bedford Half Marathon in 1:23 or so (1:22 according to Strava due to two bathroom breaks). I followed the prescribed NSM taper in and taper out. I felt like I had worked pretty hard the past few months with nothing to show for it. I also felt terrible during the race itself. I decided to quit drinking and smoking weed, which I did most every day, and see if that made a difference.

It didn’t make a difference during workouts, but I was sleeping better, feeling less lethargic, and generally quitting drinking and smoking makes me feel more confident, kinda like how running every day makes me feel more confident. After about a month of this, in early April, I ran a pretty flat out and back 5k in 17:11 (59.4), even though the race started 20 minutes early and I didn’t get a chance to entirely warm up. Again, I could not have run faster.

The next week I ran the Cherry Blossom 10 Miler in 58:56 (59.5), following the prescribed NSM taper for a half marathon. I felt great, confident, smooth, etc. I got to the 5 mile mark in the time I ran my Turkey Trot and knew I could do it again. I got walked down by a bunch of kickers in the last mile, but again, felt like I could not have run faster.

Here’s what I’ve liked about the last few months:

  1. I don’t have to be tough. Like I said, I don’t have to go to the well, I don’t have to be brave. I can just be kinda tough, and kinda brave, every day.
  2. I don’t have to be ambitious. I just have to execute. The prescribed splits are what I hit, no slower, no faster. Faster, in fact, is actually worse.
  3. I don’t need to be strategic. I don’t need to periodize, I don’t need to craft a season. If I want to test my fitness I jump in a 5k. If I want to run a longer race I still run the same weeks just at a lower intensity. I know exactly what I’m doing every day.
  4. Lastly, and is most important, I get to enjoy the fruits of my labor. I did not experience a breakthrough the way Sirpoc did, but I have improved my 5k time by an average of 10 seconds per month, which is a rate of progress I am happy with. It’s a lot of work over a long time for seemingly little return, but it’s safe and near guaranteed, kinda like investing in an Index Fund, and I love investing in Index Funds almost as much as I love investing in Norwegian Singles Method.

My ultimate goal is to win my local Turkey Trot in 2028 and die by lightning strike at the finish line. I will be following Norwegian Singles Method for the remainder of that endeavor.

Finally, I would be remiss if I didn’t indulge in some shameless self promotion. If you enjoyed this post, I make a comic on Instagram called @theorangerunner. Every comic I’ve posted since November has been inspired by this journey. If you’re on a similar path, you might find some inspiration, or at least some humor.

Thank you!

Edit: My Turkey Trot is 5 miles, not 5k. So a 29:33 translates to roughly a 17:50 5k, or a 56.6 VDOT.

If anyone's interested, it's the Pequot Turkey Trot in Fairfield, Connecticut. You get an elite finisher t-shirt if you come in the top 20. I've run it most years since 2010 but haven't got a t-shirt since Covid. This year my goal is to get a t-shirt. Next year it's to podium. The year after it's to win and die happy. It's relatively competitive and takes up an unhealthy amount of my mental bandwidth.

u/theorangeartist — 6 days ago

Tired during building mileage for the marathon

Hi there,

I have been building mileage, mostly by increasing easy km's of running.

I do 3 times a week SubT (30 min of work). Which I have been doing fine since jan this year.

But recently, I started doing more longruns at 60% of maxHR, so super easy. But then I noticed I couldn't get my HR up in the SubT sessions anymore and lost the pop. Coincidentally, I increased my mileage from 60km and peaked at 80km over the course of 6 weeks with additional easy running (60% maxHR).

What could be the culprit? The longrun being too much, I now dropped 1 SubT last week, but I still felt sluggish yesterday. Also the weather has dropped recently from 20 degrees to 10 suddenly, so maybe I am just underdressed. Hope someone can give me some pointers!

Cheers, love the community

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u/Ok_Persimmon2236 — 16 hours ago

NSM for fast twitch types

My history is as a football player who turned into a 200m runner in my early 30’s, running low 22’s. Not super fast but still relatively quick for someone who didn’t start athletics until their 30’s. 200m was my best event and the further the distance got the slower my time was comparatively.

Have been doing NSM for around 12 months and had really good results. Consistently running 80km a week.
Dropped 8min off HM, 3:30min off 10km and 1:30 off 5km.

This year though I’ve stagnated. It’s honestly felt like I’m running with a limiter on when I race.
In training everything was good, running the fastest rep times since starting NSM with HR very controlled and under LTHR.
It’s just when I push to extended times at race pace, my HR spikes and I blow up. It’s like I can’t clear the extra lactate. 5km time was nearly a minute off my PB and 10km time 90 seconds behind my PB.

So I started to look at alternatives, got Bakken’s book, added more intensity via 45/15 and pushing the intensity in some sessions. Not true VO2 work but letting HR get up past LTHR.
Thinking I needed to push past the threshold sometimes as Bakken alludes to in his book.
This got my 10km time back to within 20 seconds with about 4 weeks of training. Essentially I just sharpened up.

Issue is I now think I have gone too far the other way and have started to notice small signs of over training. Muscle tone not recovering in time for next session, and inconsistent sessions.
I think I’ve spent too much time in the zone 5-10 beats above LTHR, which I feel is a grey zone. Above threshold but below the really hard VO2 stuff, sort of a no man’s land.

I have another 10km in 12 days and then a HM about 6 weeks after that.
After the 10km, I want to go back to sub t work but with an X factor session just once a week.
The goal will to be very conservative with the sub t work and push the boundaries a little on the X factor sessions.
Have any other FT type runners had any experience with this?

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u/Nomore4s — 3 days ago

Why Does Strava Say I Suck

After starting Norwegian Singles, my Strava Fitness Score skyrocketed to levels I hadn’t seen in two years. I felt so cool, you know? A steadily increasing score is a great motivator in lieu of actual races.

Then after two months it began declining, and declining, and declining, and now it’s lower than when I started Norwegian Singles. According to Strava, despite a dogged diet of fifty miles and seventy eight minutes of sub threshold work a week, despite a rigid adherence to the principles and tenets of our path, I’ve been wasting my time.

To be clear, I don’t care. I am getting faster and my times are coming down and that is literally the whole point. Strava can go kick rocks, and unless I get slower I won’t change a thing.

HOWEVER.

I recall a post on the original Letsrun thread, where Sirpoc mentions that whenever his fitness score increased he would, almost without fail, PR at a Parkrun. It seemed that Fitness Scores, beyond simply great motivators, could be accurate assessments of one’s capabilities.

I want that! How cool would it be to roll up to a race and be able to say “the data says I’m going to PR and the data is never wrong.” Like a robot! I do not want uncertainty. I do not want to feel. I want to be a robot— a robot that wins the Turkey Trot.

SO:

I have come to three conclusions, which I have listed in order of likeliness:
1. Strava Fitness Scores do not matter, especially when the only data it’s getting is from a four year old heart rate monitor on my wristwatch.
2. Strava Fitness Scores do matter, and I am working myself into a hole. In short, while I am getting faster, I could be getting faster faster.
3. Strava Fitness Scores do matter, and I’m dying. Despite this, I am bravely plowing through training that shouldn’t be humanly possible and somehow, against all odds, racing faster than before.

If the first conclusion is true, then again, I do not care. My races are getting faster and that is all that matters.

If the second conclusion is true, then I would love any input, advice, assurances, or commiserations you all have to offer.

If the third conclusion is true, then I have no regrets.

(for reference, the first picture with heart rate data is from a workout at peak Fitness Score, the second is at current Fitness Score, the third is from my Best Race, and the last is what Strava thinks my maximums and zones are. I also attached a relevant comic.)

u/theorangeartist — 3 days ago

Race Report | Copenhagen Marathon | 02:51:51

Race Information

  • Name: Copenhagen Marathon 2026
  • Date: April 10, 2026
  • Distance: 26.2 miles
  • Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
  • Time: 02:51:57

Personal Info

  • M38
  • Full-time, in-office desk job
  • 2x kids
  • Train 7 days/pw with regular doubles and cross-training (indoor bike)
  • Running for just under 3 years
  • Strava profile if anyone is interested: https://www.strava.com/athletes/19795748

Marathon Background

I have ran the marathon distance once before where I did a solo time-trial in November 2024 with a time 02:55 for the exact distance and 02:57 for 42.5KM (total distance of 43K in 02:59).

This was my first official Marathon race where I used my solo TT as a base time and something to improve on.

Goals

Goal Description Completed?
A Sub 2:45 No
B sub 2:50 No
C Sub 3:00 Yes
D Finish Yes

I wanted to go in with something to aim for, however due to my injuries (meaning there was a lack of running specific base building) they were relatively soft targets. This was reinforced by seeing people I know who have much more running/marathon experience, and are much faster across other distances than me hit the wall at London, Manchester etc.

Training

My lead-up to the training block was hindered due to injury (right IT band issue), and suspected metatarsalgia in my right foot. This ruled me out of running pretty much completely between September 2025-January 2026.

During this time I spent most of my time on my bike using Rouvy for structured training. My goal here was to replicate NSA as closely as possible with easy rides alternating with sweet spot sessions and one long easy to moderate ride p/w. I found I could stack up the sweet spot sessions and had no issues doing these on consecutive days as the lack of running load meant the fatigue was more than manageable. Bike fitness quickly improved during this time, with noticeable increases in W and drops in HR. I had zero issues with the IT band whilst on the bike and could do as much volume as time allowed.

The odd run that I managed was then within the NSA approach, however they were always blighted by the IT band where the pain was mostly 7/10 leaving me limping for a few hours after finishing the run.

My plan was to replicate SirPoc's London Marathon block, converting distance to time. This meant starting the 16 week block on Monday 19th Jan.

On the 19th, still very much injured, I made the decision to crack on, start the block as intended and see what happens (I'd know pretty quickly if I was going to be on the start line or not).

The first week as expected was a struggle however I continued to push through. By the end of week two, the pain was down to a 4/10, and by half way through week 3 it had completely gone, never to rear its head for the rest of the block.

Honestly, I've got no idea how this happened. I sacked off the physio/rehab/strength work that I'd been done for the months prior and 'just ran' (along with spending time on the bike) and somehow the IT band issue just went away. The metatarsaglia didn't unfortunately, and was something that I'm continuing to manage.

Volume for the first 4x weeks were:

Run Ride
Week 1 93.4K (8H15M)
Week 2 98.6K (8H35M)
Week 3 107.6K (9H5M)
Week 4 116.6K (10H12M)

From there I continued to follow the SirPoc block based on time. The only edits I made were sometimes splitting the easy runs into two, i.e. 1x 60 min easy run would become 2x 45 min easy runs, as well as the additional cross-training on the bike - this would gradually decrease during the block as the longer, marathon specific runs came into the plan (such as 3/4/5x 18 mins etc.).

Overall I see the block as a success, primarily because I got through it (after week3) without any issues.

It built up the running fitness specificity and I did all the sessions exactly according to plan (i.e. 5x 18 min reps were done at 3.49/km, 3s/km faster than target pace whilst keeping my HR exactly where I wanted it to be).

My only issue was the planned HM which was meant to be a race however there were none that were happening that weekend so I ended up doing a solo TT in 80 mins, where my target was 77-78 mins.

All training was done solo and either before work (6am) and post kids bed time (after 8pm) and I averaged 112km/pw of running for the 15 weeks of the block (excluding Week 16 taper and race week) + the additional time on the bike.

Pre-race

Travelled to CPH on Thursday 7th May and went straight to the expo to pick-up the bib number (11152).

This was our first time in CPH where I went with my family. Friday and Saturday were spent exploring the city by bike. Over the two days I think I covered about 30-40KM on the bike (cargo bike with kids in the front) + around 20,000 steps per day so it was far from an easy, relaxing time. This was always the plan as it's as much a holiday for them as it was a race weekend for me especially given the sacrifice the wife has made over the prior 4 months allowing me to train as I did. Some may see this as stupidity and a waste but hey ho.

Started to carb load on the Friday and continued into Saturday, I tried to get in as much as possible aiming for 7g per KG. Done via a mix of carb heavy food and Maurten 320's.

This was my first carb load and it was a struggle, I felt like I was force feeding but did it anyway. Lack of experience here and I may alter this for the next one as it made me feel super heavy.

By Saturday night I wasn't feeling good and spent a fair whack of time on the toilet, this continued through the night and into Sunday (race-day), Monday and now Tuesday, so I must have unfortunately picked up a bug! On race day I just put this down to the carb load and pushed through.

Sunday morning I couldn't stomach any food so had a Maurten 320, 2x Beet It Nitro 400's, 1x Nomio and 1x 16g FlyCarb. As you can imagine, this combo on a dodgy stomach was pretty brutal.

2km easy jog to the event area, some light drills and stretches, a change of shoes (into Do-Win PB Pro's), drop the bag off and jog to the start line about 6 mins ahead of show time.

Race

I set my watch to auto-lap every 5KM and also manually lapped when I hit every 5KM marker. I also set a nutrition alert every 15 mins and sipped on 100% maple syrup from a soft flask for each alert (as practiced in training). I filled 2x 150ml soft flasks which gives 275g of carbs giving me exactly 100g p/h.

My race plan was pretty simple, start at 3.55-4.00/km and wind down from there depending on how my HR was. I didn't write any splits down, just kept glancing at the avg. time to see if I was in check.

My stomach was in knots for the first 14KM and I was constantly keeping an eye out for a toilet just in case, however aside from this I felt great. Pace was perfect, legs were good, breathing was fine, HR was around 165 bpm (LT1 161 BPM, LT2 174 BPM) so all systems go. From there the stomach mostly settled for the rest of the run with only one or two flare ups - nothing that made me need to stop.

Ran passed the family for the first time at 17KM where the race conveniently went passed the end of the street were staying on and grabbed a 330ml bottle of water with some electrolytes in.

Had that and continued on feeling great. Hit the half way mark at 1H23, felt very comfortable, checked the stats and all was good, time to start nudging the pace very slightly.

Then, at 28KM, both of my hamstrings cramped and that was that. Pulled over and could feel a tight ball on each leg, asked a bystander to open a packet of salt stick chews and stretched out the legs. Got going again but they were incredibly tight and felt like they could completely go if I pushed on a planned pace so for the rest of the race it was just about cracking on as best as possible and enjoying it. Picked it up when possible and stopped to stretch when needed (I think a further 4 or 5 times).

Saw the family again at 34KM, this time grabbing a 330ml bottle of water mixed with 40g of carb mix.

The last stop was around 41.5K ish, the hammys were well passed their sell by date at this point and it was a limp to the finish at around 4.30/km pace.

Surprisingly, through this happening, mentally I was all good. No real negative thoughts, just 'f*ck it, you're here and have already done 28K, keep it going and get to the finish, it's all good!'.

I've read a lot about running with a smile and tried to do that as much as possible even though the hamstring pain, I do think this really helped!

Finished with a distance of 42.47KM and a time of 02:51:57.

Post-race

Usual post-race shenanigans, grabbed a bottle of water, flopped over the barrier just after the finish line and had a quick moment of death whilst reflecting on what had just gone down.

Mixed thoughts of, 'damn, that's your first mara and you've just knocked out a 02:51', and 'what a waste of a good opportunity on a flat course with perfect weather to hit a 02:44' which I defo think was on the cards without the hamstring problem.

Moved on from the barrier to the Nike stand and grabbed 15 mins in some compression boots which is the first time I've tried something like that. The boots were great but all I could think about was how much I needed to go to the toilet.

Grabbed a quick pic with Jakob Ingebrigtsen (very nice guy!) and said congrats to his brother Kristoffer. Tried to talk to him about NSA however he could not have been less interested if he tried - fair enough after his 02:29.

Then moved on to around 1 million toilet trips which dominated the rest of my time in CPH.

To top everything off I lost my left race shoe somewhere between the bag drop zone and the kids playground so I'm now left to hopping around in one carbon.

Was it a success? Who knows, and to be honest, who cares! It's the Marathon. It's hard. Anything can happen. Especially on your first proper attempt. The legs are still attached, 2 days on they feel fine and I've lived to die another day.

What's next

Another marathon is the short answer - even with the issues pre/during/post-race I've come out of that confident I can go sub 02:40. A proper base block and another mara block and it'll be on the cards. Over-optimistic thinking, for sure, but you've got to be a dreamer!

u/Playful_Blood_3927 — 1 day ago

Been doing NSM for 2 weeks now so I have done two of each session so far which are:

9x3 mins 15k pace
4x6 mins @ 20k pace
3x10 mins @ 30k pace

Even though the 4x6 mins is actually the lowest volume of SubT within my sessions, it for some reason feels the hardest. Not sure if it’s just a mental thing, my average heartrate in the reps between the sessions are very similar.

Do other people experience a similar thing? If so, is it quite individual or are some SubT intervals inherently more difficult?

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u/xyphey — 7 days ago

Recovery Between NSA Intervals: Walk or Jog?

Do you walk or jog slowly during NSA interval recoveries? 

For a month I've walked to play safe, but feel sluggish. Like missing the aerobic/lactate benefits. Tried both? Big difference in quality/fatigue? Tips? Thanks!

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u/RobboRdz — 5 days ago