r/Life_After_7oh

What seriously got you off of this for good

Hello - as you all know I have been detoxing and then failed yesterday when I found a piece in my pocket. I’m taking a break from detoxing this Mother’s Day so I can enjoy time with my son. I will be back to the detox grind tonight / tomorrow morning. Hopefully not at square one but I am prepared for square one again I guess. And this time there are no hidden pieces anywhere bc the odds of that happening twice are slim to none. Of course I got some 7 in my system and all the sudden the fiend in me was able to Whoopty whoop some cash together and buy a tab for today. Just sharing my story - I will be back tomorrow. Happy Mother’s Day to my fellow mommas out here! I hope you have a peaceful loving day!

I’m kind of struggling right now and just need to hear from people who’ve dealt with this before.

I’ve been taking around 14 mg of 7OH once in the morning and I’ve been trying to taper off, but lately the anxiety has been getting really intense. I keep getting these waves of dread and fear that come out of nowhere. It feels like something is wrong even when nothing is happening. I get hot flashes, restlessness, and this really uncomfortable on edge feeling that doesn’t fully go away.

It’s starting to mess with my head a lot and I’m having a hard time figuring out what’s withdrawal, what’s normal anxiety, and what’s just stress from everything else going on in my life right now.

I was originally planning to drop down to around 12 mg, then 7 mg, and then stop completely, but now I’m worried that might be too fast and make everything worse.

I also have access to a prescribed low-dose benzodiazepine .5 mg Klonopin, but I’m not currently taking it and I’m unsure how people typically handle anxiety during a taper like this or whether that is something that helps in situations like this.

Right now I just feel overwhelmed and unsure what the safest path forward is. I don’t want to keep feeling like this, but I also don’t want to make it worse by tapering too fast or handling it the wrong way.

If anyone has gone through 7OH withdrawal, I would really appreciate hearing what helped you, especially around the anxiety and dread waves and how you got through them.

I’ve successfully made it to day 11!! Last night I fucking got 8 hrs of sleep yall I could cry. I been taking my multivitamin, fish oils, vit c and hormone balancer everyday/night. Drinking protein and creatine shakes every morning.

Nothing was working for natural sleep no matter how much I pushed myself. I was getting 1-2hrs every night.

Last night I grabbed the weighted blanket out the closet layed down passed out around 10:30 woke up at 630!!!! Didn’t wake up once last night I’m so happy.

Keep it up yall 10 days ago I was 1000mg plus a day with some mgm in there. I feel so much better now guys it’s so worth it it’s a confusing first week but after that the clouds fr start to go away a little bit more and more each day.

Listen up, team. We're all here for the same reason: to break free from the grip of 7oh and build a better life. But recovery isn't a solo mission. It requires a support system, and that's what we need to actively build here.

Too often, online communities become echo chambers or places for venting without real connection. We're going to be different. We're going to be a family.

What does that look like?

Check in on each other: If you see someone struggling, reach out. A simple "Hey, how are you doing?" can go a long way.

Share your victories, big or small: Let's celebrate each other's progress.

Be honest and vulnerable: This is a safe space to share your struggles without judgment.

Offer practical support: Can you share resources, advice, or just a listening ear?

Challenge each other to grow: Gently push each other to stay accountable and work towards your goals.

Getting out of your own head and focusing on helping others is a powerful tool for staying sober. It shifts your focus, provides a sense of purpose, and reminds you that you're not alone in this fight.

Let's make this community a beacon of hope and support for everyone struggling with 7oh recovery. Let’s rise together. 💪

So I’m taking 5 x 100mg tabs of 7oh at a time, about 6x a day. I get them very cheap so the cost isn’t an issue, but that’s what has made my tolerance go through the roof. I’m taking like 3000mg daily of 7oh. The last time I tried cutting it to go back on my sub, 4x 8mg subs barely touched the withdrawal. Now I’m hearing SR17 is a game changer and I should probably use that with the Sub to help. How long have most people waited after last dose of 7oh to take a sub to avoid precipitated withdrawal? And with as high as my tolerance is, how much SR am I going to need? I’ve heard front loading it with 150mg 4x daily is a good start then taper from there. My SR comes in 2 days and I have subs ready for tomorrow. Definitely will keep everyone updated on how the taper goes.

Ughhh today is worse than yesterday. I can’t get rid of these chills and sweats. I’m about to shower and head into work a little late bc I just could not get out of bed. I’m honestly contemplating working remote bc I just don’t feel right but then I’d have to make up this day in the office later this week. I wish I had better news to report. Nothing severe just annoying enough to want to stay hiding in bed.

Application is on the homepage of this sub, hit the 3 dots at the top right corner, and select "APPLY AS MODERATOR".

All are welcome to apply. I just need someone thats...

1. Sober. (None of the 3 alkaloids or other drugs)

2. Be willing to engage with others in the sub and willing to post, comment, and really really be active in the sub.

3. I need someone willing to help me spread the word about this sub in other subs. (Only subs that allow it) the more ppl we bring in, the more ppl we can help. Thats the ultimate goal.

4. Someone thats passionate about helping others break free from this filth.

5. Someone that knows the in's and out's of Reddit.

6. Someone that will just be willing and happy about being a part of this. I dont want any of my mods to feel burdened, overwhelmed, or disconnected. It should be fun, fulfilling, and most importantly, it should help you in your own recovery journey.

Yall bring it!!!

Drop those applications!

I will be setting up and starting a buddy/accountability system tomorrow. For all who decide to participate, everyone will get one buddy. You'll all be in pairs. You will exchange numbers. If youre not comfortable giving out your cell, use WhatsApp, telegram, or use a text/phone app like TextNow. You will then do daily check in's with each other. If one of you is having a particularly bad or rough time on any day then you should call your buddy and talk it out. You should and need to be there for each other, hold each other accountable as well, make sure your buddy is staying sober, taking care of themselves, and when they dont, hold them accountable. Tell them, they are slipping, in a gentle and loving way.

You basically need to become best friends with your buddy, for now at least. You need this person to just help you and do recovery life with you, yall would be doing this journey together, looking out for each other in every way that you can, with sobriety always being number 1 priority. Because it has to be priority. Because without it, every single other aspect of our life will fall apart anyways. So, we might as well put the one that holds all the rest together, first. Make it priority. Treat each other with mutual respect love, care, compassion, humility, patience, mercy, grace, gentleness and sympathy.

Try to embody everything you do in love when it comes to your buddy. Just make them your best buddy!

Now!!!!

Who wants to do this?!

Who wants to take their sobriety serious, treat this as if its life or death, because it fucking is! Who wants to step up, put their foot down and say, "ENOUGH!"

Who is fed up here? Who is tired of it all? Who is tired of being owned by a tiny little fucking pill? Who is tired of their life passing them by? Who is tired of watching all of their potential slowly die away? Who is tired of being dead ass broke? Who is tired of getting dope sick every fucking 4 hours?!

Who is really REALLY ready?!

This isnt a game.

This is life or death.

This is people's lives we're talking about here.

THEIR LIVES!

This isnt something to take lightly. This isnt pin the tail on the donkey.

People's hearts are stopping. Their lungs no longer filling with air to breathe.

There are people lying in the Earth now as I write this, who were placed there by this shit.

It is the spawn of satan. It is evil incarnate.

It is pure hate embodied into pill form.

It does nothing but steal, kill and destroy.

It is the enemy and this is nothing short of a war. We are in the war of our times. And this. This is the battle of and for your life. Make no mistake about it. 7's mission is to annihilate and eliminate YOU.

So, sharpen your swords brothers and sisters!

Stand up! Be accounted for! Take your places. I want you to all truly understand the gravity of the situation we've caught ourselves entangled in. The only way out, is through a fight. There is no other way. So its fight or succumb to addiction and this devil. Its fight or die. You deserve to live, you are worthy, you are loved, you are filled with all of this unleashed and unlocked potential just beaming inside of you, waiting to break out! You just have to break free. This evil has its talons wrapped around your ankle, in a last gasp moment, knowing hes losing you, hes barely hanging on, so just finish him! Finish this shit and drive it the fuck home!!!

Be strong! Be mighty! Rely upon the strength of God almighty!

Be the warrior you were called to be!

Be the soldier. Be the spartan 300, standing alone against a million, fearless.

So, be fearless, mighty, strong warriors!

And fight!

Fight till your last breath.

Who wants to take their life seriously and try this buddy system and have some accountability in their life? Some real support, real connection, someone that can relate to everything youre going through but be with you on a more intimate level and consistently too.

Im really hoping you guys show out for me and all wanna sign up!

Hell, I want a buddy! Lol

Im doing it. Who else wants to join?

Its not mandatory, but it is encouraged and recommended.

Comment below and just say if you want in.

I’m on my 3rd quit in 2 years. I had planned on taking 7 until, well, forever I guess. No clue how I was going to afford it. My spouse found out 3 weeks ago I was using again. So I hit my rock bottom. And rock bottoms look different for everyone. So I’m interested to see responses to 2 questions.

1. If you haven’t quit, but want too, what’s holding you back? What scares you the most? Feel free to get as personal as you want.

2. If you have quit, what do you not miss about 7/MGM?

"No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness, the good he seeks."

Anyone else feel that they can or have been able to relate to this?

Its from Frankenstein btw.

Just curious.

I found it to be hauntingly truthful, pertaining to my life.

I’m around ~60 hours into stopping and just wanted to share my experience in case it helps someone else going through something similar.

For background, I had been using for about 6 months and tapered down over the last few weeks of April from around 200mg to 14mg before stopping. I also set up care through QuickMD during the process and honestly had a really good experience, the doctor was super understanding, non-judgmental, and just very kind about everything. That alone made a big difference in how supported I felt going into this.

The first couple days were still rough. Mainly physical anxiety, hot flashes, GI issues, and those waves of “doom” feeling. Sleep was off too.

This time has been noticeably more manageable compared to when I’ve tried stopping CT in the past. I’ve had access to comfort meds, mainly Gabapentin, which has helped take the edge off a lot of the physical stuff.

Even with that, I still had symptoms, mostly GI issues, temperature swings, and anxiety waves, but overall it’s felt more manageable than doing it without any support.

Right now at around 60 hours, things feel like they’re starting to level out. The anxiety and physical symptoms have mostly settled, and what’s left is mainly some lingering gut discomfort.

It definitely feels like I’m starting to turn a corner compared to the first couple days, not 100% yet, but more stable and with more moments of normalcy coming through.

Just sharing in case it helps someone else, it’s been up and down, but things do seem to shift more than it feels like they will in the middle of it.

If you’re going through something similar, you absolutely got this, I promise 💕

I feel awful. The whole 9 yards of symptoms. Regular leaf is not breaking through. Am I not taking enough? I don’t want the wobbles which is why I stay on the lower side. Chills galore. I never have to feel this way the rest of my life is I never take it again. That’s all I have right now. I get to work from home today thank god. Will just take it super easy. Gotta get my son to school in the next couple hours. Debating if I should go to the gym / it’s my normal gym day but I don’t want to be freezing cold sweating at the gym. Plus my anxiety has me scared of leaving my bed. Been up since 4am. Got two 4 hour chunks of sleep last night thanks to the regular leaf. Woke up writhing around sweating and freezing. Thank god I washed my sheets and made my bed up all nice and cleaned my room in preparation of this or I’d have that on my mind. I can’t believe that god doesn’t have a cure for this.

I probably won’t update again until I’m off my gabapentin and Suboxone taper completely but I’m just here to say: GET GABAPENTIN. I have quit about a month ago with just subs and this is INFINITELY more comfortable than just subs. I literally have only taken 1 day off work that first day and I probably could have pushed thru if I really needed to but I just wanted to take that first day to calibrate to the meds. YOU CAN DO THIS! Use the helper meds! This drug is crazy - I’ve come off regular opiates and this affects several more receptors in the brain so it really throws us out of whack. You are not weak for needing help through this change. Today I only took 2mg of sub (day 3) and I’m feeling great. So grateful for modern medicine!

Just took my last dose. I don’t have anymore. I don’t have any ability to get more. I have regular leaf to get me thru the first 4-5 days then it’s cold turkey from regular leaf as well as I have no means to get more. I’m shaking scared. I work full time and I have a 2.5 year old. I’ve done it before and it took 6 days before the symptoms really started to fade. Wish me luck!

Hello! My last dose of 7 was at like 3:45 yesterday. Been dosing regular leaf. Last night I almost caved and bought more but with a little help from this community I was talked off the metaphorical ledge. I went to bed around maybe 9 or 10pm. Slept until 3:15am and withdrawals were peaking their head in so I dosed 4grams of regular leaf and slept again until like 6:30. Got up and was in withdrawal again - I must say not as intensely as I was the first two days from last week. Had I not broken this weekend I’d probably be on the clear tomorrow but now it’s looking like Wednesday or Thursday will be the day - awesome just in time for pay day to hit! Struggle is real. Might give my money to family so I cannot do anything stupid. To anybody reading my story that might think “what a loser - who loses everything over something like 7” and my answer to you is an addict. An addict will lose everything to anything. A fiend is a fiend. I know someone who can take 7 without addiction issues or ruining his life - I don’t know how he does it but he isn’t a fiend out opiate addict like I am / he has self control. I do not. Yea thank god this isn’t a stronger opiate or I’d be toast.

Hello fellow fuck ups. Kratom in some form or another has ruled my life for roughly 11 years that I remember, possibly longer. But things took a turn towards hell back in January of '25.

I thought it'd be a great idea to save some money by buying these tasty and amazing new tablets instead of my normal kratom extract shots. After all 1 pack of them had me good for 2 or 3 days! Wow! Well... Turns out that those tablets happened to be a poison that was engineered to be an addicts worst nightmare. With a half life of 2.5 hours, it binds to the feel good receptors many times tighter than morphine. It also acts as an SSRI. Thus forcing you to take it every 2 - 4 hours. If not, welcome to hell. If you haven't figured it out by now, I'm talking about 7-Hydroxymitragynine. 7oh...

By summer of '25 my use had escalated to 800+mg per day. Sometimes topping 1000mg. All I thought about was 7oh. I had to have it on me at all times. I started neglecting my responsibilities as a business owner, husband, and father. But hey I was still managing...

Flash forward to Jan '26. You may have guessed that my plan to save money didn't work. Tens of thousands wasted on a cheap high that, didn't really even get my high anymore. Not in half a year. But I couldn't stop. The compulsion to use was stronger than any other thing in my life. After a brutal series of quit attempts throughout the 16 months I was using. Up and down, up and down, withdrawls, and highs, I finally had a mental breakdown. I was suicidal by April. The poison stopped working and I was either in physical withdrawls if I tried to cut down even a little, or I was in anxiety hell if I took it. 7oh completely broke me. I was a shell of a human being. Every single thing I did was grueling work. Getting dressed in the morning, making dinner for my kids, taking a shower, eating, climbing the stairs, going for a walk, taking a shit... My body was in a constant state of restlessness. I was trapped in hell on earth. I was insane. I was ready to die. But I wasn't going to do that to my family...

So I reached out to a friend. Friend suggest I try AA. I was weary. "AA is like a cult bro." but what did I have to lose. I had already lost my soul. So I went. And I sat, and I listened. Then I started reading. Then I started praying to a higher power I never paid any attention to before. Then I started sharing in the meetings. Then I started getting numbers and calling people. And then... Literally miraculously I was able to fight through the withdrawls while tapering. Literally on my fucking knees praying to my version of God. And when that didn't work I called another sober addict. And minute by fucking grueling minute I clawed my way down from 200-300mg per day to 25mg per day. I was also using SR17018. And over the course of about 2 weeks I was finally able to do what I thought was impossible. What I had tried and failed at DOZENS of times before. I was able to break completely free from my addiction to 7oh.

It has now been 52 hours and 31 minutes since I last ingested that poison and I feel... Dare I say, like a normal human being. I continue to go to AA and am working the steps with a sponsor because I fear that if I ever pick up 7oh, or MGM, or pseudo, or whatever other poison they are engineering to try and kill us. I will die.

I've lied, and hurt so many people in my life from this addiction. But life will move on and I'm here for it. If anyone would have told me a month ago that I'd be OK, I would have broke down crying telling them I never would. But we can and do recover. There's hope. However you get there. There's a way out. I'm living proof that you can rise up out of the hell that is 7oh.

Other things I used during my taper were vitamin C, gabapentin, and ativan. They help, but nothing stops the cravings, the depression, the mental battle. So arm yourself with all the helpers meds and some SR. And charge ahead. If my destitute scumbag worthless weak piece of shit ass can do it. Truly ANYONE can.

Best of luck to you all in your life after addiction. My DMs are always open to those suffering and in need.

Good morning to all my beautiful people! I hope each and every one of you is doing awesome today and ready to kick 7oh's butt!!!

I wanted to discuss withdrawals today. Ill drop some basic facts on opioid and/or kratom alkaloid withdrawals. Although 7oh, pseudo and MGM-15 work as a true opioids in and on our bodies and brains, there are some minor to moderate differences between these alkaloids and their WD's and other opioids such as pain pills, (vicodin, oxy, morphine) heroin, fentanyl, etc,... and their WD's.

So, they are not identical when withdrawals are concerned whatsoever. Extremely similar, yes. But, not identical.

So, what should you expect?

1. Depending on the length and duration of your use, the said consistency of use and the dosage you were taking will all greatly affect the intensity or lack thereof with your WD's.

2. Within 6-24 hours, you'll begin to feel very unwell. As if youre coming down with a horrible case of the flu. The first symptoms to rear their ugly head are usually, cold sweats, hot flashes, restless legs and body or restlessness in general, fever is possible, irritability, anxiety and strong cravings.

3. After the initial onset of withdrawals, and 24 hours have passed, you will enter the peak of your withdrawals. The worst part. This period usually lasts between immediately after the 24 hour mark, all the way up until about the 48-72 hour mark. Everyone's usage is different as well as everyone's body and brain chemistry, metabolism and health and this all can greatly affect the withdrawals and how intense they will be and how long they will last.

Example: People with a fast metabolism will have a more intense and painful experience with their withdrawals because their body is pushing out the drug and metabolizing it at a much faster rate, causing more stress and strain on the body and nervous system. Butz this individual would be done with WD sooner.

Also, during this 24 hour to 48/72 hour mark, you will beging to experience bad body aches, pains and heightened anxiety. Stomach cramps, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, etc,...

There has also been reports of users experiencing a feeling as if their body will actually explode. I can attest to and confirm this to be accurate or at least IME and many others.

Tremors, shakes, fatigue, insomnia.

It will be extremely difficult if not impossible to sleep the first 2 to 3 days.

Theres also reports of heart issues such as tachycardia, arrhythmias and irregular heartbeat. I had this as well.

Watery eyes, runny nose, high blood pressure and severe exhaustion.

Its worth noting, that ive met people as well who have gone into psychosis, with no prior metal health diagnoses.

All of these symptoms ive listed will have variables. You're not guaranteed to have all of these or even most of these. Its also possible you'll have symptoms that are not even listed here.

This is just to give an idea of what to expect in general. Everything ive included here is what most of us users have or will experience(d).

The worst of it, is all in the first 3 to 4 days maximum. Usually, after the 3rd day, most people begin to feel improvement and usually can begin to even get a little sleep. But, even that is gradual and we must be patient for all of our faculties to return. It took time to do this damage with our use and it will take time to undo it and for our bodies and minds to heal. So, be patient and remember when we quit abruptly or at all, withdrawals are our nervous system and body basically going into shock. We're stuck in a fight or flight response mode. Our bodies sense danger and a fight coming, so that instinctive response kicks in and the adrenaline stays pumping for the first 2 to 3 days.

You will feel so out of whack. Like you're dying, like you're losing your mind completely.

You're not and you're not.

It is exceptionally rare for anyone to die from any opioid withdrawals.

The only time it happens is when an individual has a prior underlying health condition, such as heart failure, valve prolapse, thickening of the heart walls, and other serious heart conditions and the possibility of dehydration so severe it can kill you. That would only be possible if you were severely vomiting and having severe diarrhea and getting in zero fluids for a period of days.

Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. I can't stress this enough during your WD's.

If for any reason you feel like you need emergency services at any given point in time, PLEASE go immediately to the hospital or emergency room. Do NOT hesitate. At the least, they could give you IV fluids, to prevent mass dehydration.

If your heart begins to act differently, hurt, arrhythmias, or tachycardia, go to the ER or call 911.

If you begin having seizures or even just one, go to the ER.

If you feel like for any reason you could be in danger, or if your body is trying to tell you something, just GO!!!

Its astoundingly rare to die from this guy's,

But not impossible.

So, Listen to what your body is telling you and communicating with you.

All the symptoms ive listed are normal and feeling like youre having the worst case of flu thats ever existed on planet Earth is normal.

So, try not to be scared.

You have a 99.999998 % chance of coming out on the other side of this completely fine, healthy and undead. Lol

Everything ive included here is from my own research, countless hours upon hours of studying and research in depth. As well as my own personal experience(s) with this drug and its withdrawals and many many others anecdotal experiences with WD's.

I did my best to combine this all together and make an in depth, advanced guide, if you will, of the withdrawals from 7oh, pseudoindoxyl and MGM-15.

None of this even includes PAWS. Which I will go over in another post later today or this evening. For those wondering, PAWS is post acute withdrawal syndrome.

I'd like it very much if any of you now, could leave a comment below, telling me/us about your WD experience(s). Did you have all of these symptoms? Some? Did you have symptoms not listed above? How long did your withdrawals last? Tell us your whole withdrawal experience if you dont mind. Ive read and heard of so many more symptoms ppl have displayed. So, please PLEASE share. We beat this thing by spreading awareness, knowledge and giving support to each other.

I cant wait to read yalls comments!

Love yall and im so damn proud of all of you!

Sincerely and genuinely!

-Matt The Kat

Hello everyone my name is Kat and I was on 7oh for a year. My dose never went above 200 mg but the last couple months I was on it I wasn’t feeling the good effects from it anymore, if anything it was making me feel worse and I hit rock bottom. I told my family everything( I’m a mom and wife). I tried to go cold turkey but could not do it and I’m pretty tough. That led me to a rapid taper of subs, yesterday was my last day on subs and I’m feeling better but not 100 percent. I expect to feel shitty for a while longer but just wanted to introduce myself and be a part of this group! :)