r/Kibbe

Image 1 — Revisting SD, hopefully for the last time!
Image 2 — Revisting SD, hopefully for the last time!
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Revisting SD, hopefully for the last time!

It's been a while since I've posted outfits on here! There are two that I was extremely pleased with and I just realized that they do, in fact, accomodate curve + vertical.

Something I noticed while doing my line sketch is that I'm not actually short-waisted like I thought, but have a long torso in proportion to my legs with a high sitting waistline. Now, torso-to-leg ratio isn't necessarily an indicator of any specific ID, but I do feel significantly more balanced and put together when I add heels. There's a SD client in the new Facebook group who's the same height as me (5'5) and has similar proportions and she was given a similar directive, which really made me think.

I also really like how my shoes are the same color as my pants in the pic on the left because of the streamlined look. The heels bump me up to about 5'7-5'8 and the extra height feels....natural, somehow? I've also come to realize that as much as I love the stereotypical gamine look, I *cannot* do line breaks. I can do color blocking just fine, but I can't interrupt the actual outline at all or else I look stumpy lol.

On another note, Kibbe does say not to hyperfocus too much on facial features but my side profile does look similar to the verified SDs. The idea of being a Dramatic first and foremost was a little intimidating, but I can definitely see it in my facial structure and when I'm at a lower weight. I've never liked delicate, fussy details near my face and now I know why! The first pic on the second slide is from when I was 21 and I think I can already see a baby SD emerging 🤣

Anyway, I think I'm finally ready to put the whole Kibbe journey to rest. I already have Kitchener and Style Roots to help make SD my own!

u/eleven57pm — 8 hours ago
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The FG height limit, clarified by David Kibbe!

For anyone who wasn't aware, the Power of Style book gives both "under 5'6" and "under 5'5" as the height limit for FG. u/jamie8130 posted about this earlier today, and after some chatting about it with u/its_givinggg and other users, I got curious enough to post about it in SK.

To my great surprise, I got a response from DK in less than 15 minutes of posting, and he confirmed that the correct height limit is "under 5'6"!!! Apparently, "under 5'5" was a typo by the copy editor. I'm so glad this is settled now!

u/xPostmasterGeneralx — 5 days ago
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Piper Laurie? Height 5'4

R or SG?

Couldn't find too many full body shots of her, but if you are familiar with her filmography please let me know what you think! 💗

u/user_rogue255 — 1 day ago
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Why doesn’t David Kibbe train others to type?

I’m new to all of this so apologies if this has already been asked.

I have been researching kibbe as of late and find it super interesting/informative. However, I’m slightly confused on how only he can verify people. I read that he has not trained other people to type so he is the only verified source.

Again sorry if this is insensitive but it looks like he’s in his 70s, so what happens when he passes? Why isn’t it like color analysis where other people can be trained by education/resources

Obviously there’s probably not a definitive answer to this but just would like to hear other people’s thoughts on this!

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u/ViolinistNo9426 — 5 days ago
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I think some IDs should probably have minimum heights

I think some IDs should probably have minimum heights.

I feel like the only reason there are maximum heights is because DK is used to working in countries where heights above 5'6" are relatively common. But if he had worked more in places with shorter average heights, like Peru where the average woman is around 5'0", he probably would have mentioned that certain IDs just aren’t worth considering for some people. I’m not saying these approximations are completely literal or automatic, but I think the general idea still makes sense: in the same way that being tall changes how people perceive your image, being very short does too.

As someone who is 4'11", I personally don’t really see the point in considering the D or C families for myself. If someone my height has a “D” or “DC” frame, they’ll probably end up reading more as FG in practice. If someone my size has curves like an SD, they’ll likely come across more as R or TR. And if someone very petite looks somewhat like an SC, they probably end up fitting SG better.

The N family is the one that feels more complicated to me. I can definitely imagine SNs being short, but I struggle more to picture a very petite FN where the recommendations still fully work.

Do you know any examples of very short people who aren’t Gs, Rs, or SNs? I’m thinking specifically under 5'1".

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u/warda- — 4 days ago
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SGs and Staccato: A Baby Sized Case Study

I've been trying to solve for this organza dress I bought to layer with for months.

struggling to break things up in the way I needed, today I added my basic black fanny pack and?? it was like the sun came out from behind the clouds. immeditaley it feels so much more like An Outfit.

my fleshy, squished soft gamine body feels so much more plugged into the flowy garment (usually not my preference) 🥺

u/msblackeyelinerrr — 14 hours ago
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Had a hard year of loss/grief, I missed posting and feeling stylish. Trying to get back to myself slowly. This is my simple (R) Mother's Day look, I paired with soft pink ballet flats. Xx🌹💐

I really like thrifted dresses made of rayon/viscose. I love how the fabric drapes and skims my curves, and they are so easy to slip on to make me feel put together even on the hard days. I used some strategically placed pins to soften the neckline (adjusted them to make it more symmetrical after viewing this pic). I like to keep accessories very simple because of my tattoos.

I actually feel that most of my "looks" these days would work very well for SNs (I have a preference for open necklines and straightforward silhouettes rather than too many ruffles etc., again, because my tattoos already add so much visual interest - so I think those elements can make the overall look muddy or overwhelming on me). I am also on the wider end of the spectrum for R's, so I believe I can pull from SN recs more easily than some.

Wish I could do a bit more with my hair sometimes, but I have something called trichotillomania that has been very bad this past year, so I wear a "hair topper" and work with it the best I can. I mostly put it back with a claw clip and pull out some front pieces. It's basic but that is okay 💓

Of course my purse was slipping off of my shoulder all day haha, like always. Do the rest of you R's struggle with that? I know it's due to my sloped/rounded shoulders and that there is very little room in the space between my outer bust and where my shoulders end, and it is so annoying 😂😭. But I love my little handbags and don't like crossbodies much, so I deal with it!

I hope you are all having a nice day, and Happy Mother's Day to those who are celebrating it. Xx

u/Quirkykiwi — 3 days ago
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Automatic vertical - some observations

There might an observable scientific basis for automatical vertical, which Kibbe has said is 5'6 for women and 6' for men. It is interesting to note that Kitchener places moderate tall for women between 5'5 and 5'7. I thought it was interesting that Kibbe and Kitchener are close to each other with their height "rules".

So now for the fun part, which you can't DIY properly, because it requires extremely expensive and specialised equipment to measure accurately. The head height ratio. It is a big thing in art circles, which they eyeball. Usually, the guidelines are that tall adults are 8 heads tall, and short adults are 7.5 heads (and fashion is between 9 and 10). But the ancient Greeks, especially Polykletios (also spelt Polyclitus), considered 7 heads to be the ideal head height ratio. Researchers discovered that humans are between 6 heads and 9.5 heads, with the average or median being 7. Interesting that it matches the classical Greek ideal.

The relevance of this to auto vertical is, if you calculated the head height ratio from all known heights and all known head lengths (the normal distribution with percentile and standard deviations can work), auto vertical is where everyone has a head height ratio greater than 7. If you are at auto vertical or higher, your head height ratio is at least 7.2 from rough calculations, but you need to have a very large head. Conversely, you can be significantly short, conventionally petite, and still have a head height ratio of 8 (short like 5' for a woman), although you will need a small head. It is much rarer at the shorter height, but still possible.

So even if we can't measure this ratio accurately with our DIY tools and techniques, the data says that if we are at auto vertical or higher (and technically it probably starts below), we will have the higher head height ratio, and it is impossible for us to be any of ratios below 7.

I suspect the lower end of the ratios between 6 and 6.5 might be where most gamines are found, as gamines are associated with youth and these smaller ratios are also associated with youth.

Technically, we don't have a way of proving that head height ratios correlate directly with Kibbe types. But it is something worth keeping in mind.

It does seem unfair on the populations where everyone has auto vertical to only have three types. I did notice human measurements tend to average closer to the shorter side of the average, so people notice more variety in shorter individuals. Which may be the reason why there are more types among the shorter populations. It seems to be similar to languages that have multiple words for snow, or for for sand. The taller populations will see more variety within the auto vertical types. I wonder what the auto vertical types would be, if a person with auto vertical was typing people.

But in a long winded way, I agree with Kibbe on the auto vertical height limit, and no lower height. The data makes me think there is a case for lowering the auto vertical height limit. Although in the book, Kibbe says that D, SD and FN are "usually to be all 5'6 or over", in each of their separate sections. So make of that what you will.

Disclaimer: I have auto vertical.

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u/loumlawrence — 4 days ago
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In PoS there are two different height limits listed for FG, which one is correct?

In Power of Style there are two different height limits mentioned for FG: in the sketch diagrams it says 'under 5'6', but in the FG ID description section it says 'under five-foot five'. I hadn't noticed, until someone recently pointed it out to me, but I haven't been able to find any information on whether it's a typo or something like that. If anyone knows, or if it's been discussed in the FB groups, it would be great to have more info about this :)

*I cropped the pics from the book to illustrate the two places where the heights are mentioned, I hoped that's allowed.

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u/Jamie8130 — 6 days ago
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hiding faces in typing

I'm new to this community and the world of kibbe, and I'm confused as to why it's normalized on reddit for people to seek typing advice based solely on body photos (face covered). Facial features & jawline etc have a profound impact on someone's overall yin/yang balance.

Body-only typing feels like a myopic and ED-leaning spinoff from Kibbe's system, which is quite holistic. so why is it normal here? does anyone find that accurate?

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u/skully_28 — 4 days ago
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Could a SC pull off this dress?

Or does it have too many ruffles and detail?

u/Inguborg — 2 days ago
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Types that look best in tennis outfits like these?

I am wondering whether I could pull off a tennis skirt. I know it’s not about a singular item but rather about a head to toe look. Which types do you think these outfits would be flattering on?

u/Inguborg — 4 days ago
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I haven't seen a post on her recently and I'm dying to know what we all think still. She feels like she's in the r family to me, she feels so yin in both her body and her roles/characters/vibes, leaning tr cuz I could see narrow. She's so gorgeous

u/Funny_Cockroach7343 — 10 days ago
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Hi! I had some thoughts about Janelle Monaé's Met Gala look and I thought I'd share them and see what people think.

The thing I like about this system is the *awareness* that echoing the elements of someone's body can create a harmonious effect, not the idea that people *should* dress this way for every occasion. I'm very interested in stars who seem aware of what looks harmonious on them and decide to turn those guidelines on their head (see also SG Bjork).

Most of my favorite looks on Janelle are precise, high contrast, and sharp: textbook looks for FG that also fit her avant-garde sensibilities. She and her team are experts at making her look like a heightened version of herself by echoing her shape in her clothes and signature short, sharp hairstyles (see pic 2)

This year's Met gown is the opposite of her usual and I believe that's by design. Instead of her usual sharp and precise tailoring, she's chosen to cover herself in chaotic, mobile s-curves that swallow her body. She usually carefully shows her ankles and wrists, but here she's heavily draped trailing cords and moss over three of her limbs. She's also hiding her jaw and neck with a busy, textured element: another textbook no-no for petite.

This same gown on someone like Rihanna-who can carry all these long elements easily- might make a statement like "In my ideal world, humanity will create technology that helps us live in harmony with nature", by creating a robot Gaia type of character.

On Janelle, the striking disharmony suggests overgrowth, abandonment, and apocalypse. From my perspective, it says "Life will continue on Earth after humanity destroys itself".

The animatronic bugs and themes of technology and the future remain firmly on-brand for her, so imo it was very deft to abandon her usual silhouettes to create something that almost clashes with her physicality.

Do you guys have any other examples of stars successfully going completely against visual harmony?

u/trans_full_of_shame — 7 days ago
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I know that fit issues aren't accomodations, but I think I have width (probably SN) and I noticed this with fitted tees. It is my size. It fits just right accross the bust, with room to spare around the waist. But it pulls terribly under the arms, and although it has an open V neckline, the sleeves don't fit right (the seam is at the red arrow).

Do you also have this issue? I like fitted tees but it is not comfortable. Upsizing would make it really baggy on my chest and waist... what kind of fitted tops would be more compatible with width? Maybe sleeveless?

u/TiredWinterDisaster — 7 days ago
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Hi everyone :) recently I created a post asking about the body types of the elves of the Lord of the Rings. I learned that Orlando Bloom belongs to the TR category but I am really struggling to understand why he is not a SN. I have a hard time with men.

I know the features and body proportions matter more but doesn't the ID also have to fit the "essence" a little? Orlando to me has always felt very earthy and free spirited, which also made him the correct choice as a wood elf (Legolas) and a pirate.

He also, although overall looking on the narrower side, I see width in him. It could be because he bulked up over the years? He looked more sturdy in The Hobbit. But maybe I am just dreaming😭can someone help me understand why he is a TR? And to what extent the "vibe" has to match your ID?

u/MammothAstronomer402 — 10 days ago
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Hi everyone, I already posted this in another sub about Kitchener essences but I was interested in the Kibbe system too. Since I have a slightly abnormal obsession with the Lord of the Rings' elves I was wondering if you have an idea of the kibbe types of the actors who played the most magical creatures of middle earth and how much do you think said Kibbe influenced their casting.

I know Cate Blanchette is Dramatic (verified?) and I suppose it works since Galadriel has a distant, majestic demeanor.

Do you have any idea of the others? Do you think people with certain kibbe are more likely to be cast as elves? I imagine they should have length, narrowness, and a detached aurea but Legolas (Orlando Bloom), who i think still comes across as elvish, doesn't have it as much. He doesn't look detached to me.

Lee Pace does. However, it works in both cases.

Liv Tyler could be a FN? She is tall and seems to have a certain openness in her upper body. But I am not sure..

(I do believe Orlando, although great as Legolas, Is better as Will but it might be an essence things)

u/MammothAstronomer402 — 10 days ago