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The previous one I made is written while I'm a bit emotionally charged, so I hope that this one is at least less skewed.

Here is a one page writing of my stream of consciousness, try and see what type this may sound like. I read from Palmer (and to an extension u/RafflesiaArnoldii) that writing a few paragraphs of my stream of consciousness ramble is a good way to find my type. But I'm not really sure on how to identify symptoms or parts in my writing that jumps out that looks like an identifiable trait of a certain type, so I decided to post this here too to see what others think and see what they see and observe here.

Anyways, here it is below:

insert a somewhat long pause of my head not thinking of stuff

There is this somewhat forced quality when it comes to writing these things, I am calm and collected (not!), definitely not calm and collected (that's an impulsive random thought), my hand is already hurting from writing this down, I didn't even make a first paragraph yet. It's honestly so annoying that this body has limitations, and my mind making its own restrictions and limits even though some of them are quite unnecessary; it's really odd and again, annoying, idk why I didn't write this down on my phone, but I guess I just thought that this is more natural? Then again, what difference does it make when I write this digitally.

Has my handwriting gone off for a bit? Won't be too surprising though since it's been a while since I've written something manually or by hand. Gotta admit though it kinda sucks hahaha lol... scrolled for a but to rest my hand, still fucking annoyed that it quickly becomes exhausting and slightly aching when I write for too long. Idk why but I just can't seem to write anything within these past few months, and yeah I know I'm writing now but I'm talking about stories and poems, these things happened before but I feel like this one is going loger than it was before. Is it lack of inspiration? Stuck imagination? Forced demotivation? Don't really know, I just can't seem to bring myself on creating again.

It doesn't even feel too sucky it's just a very "bleh" type of feeling that makes it feel like I'm in some sludge or a tar pit, it's just annoying more than awful, listless and boring, just a big state of "ugh" and "bleugh".

Took a break and ate dinner. It's quite okay to be honest, although for some reason the spam felt less tastier than before, more salty maybe? Eh, I don't know but it just feels wrong to eat, even though it doesn't taste that bad. For fuck's sake my arm already aches again wtf??? I just started writing and it's already getting carpal tunnel (is that even the right term to label that?), ugh, words can be hard sometimes, with how they can be deceiving when it comes to their assigned meaning, how it changes depending on the context, and even how it could be interpreted, etc. etc. OH MY GOD I HATE MY FUCKING HAND! AGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Anyways I'm just watching Monogatari after eating some snacks, their dialogues and writings are pretty much not too dissimilar in what's going on inside my head. Monologues upon monologues (finally I get to say that phrase!), I'm pretty much almost narrating my experiences and my day to day life with these monologues to myself. About 80% maybe? Idk how percentages precisely work not gonna lie, but yeah most of my brain mechanisms consist of monologues, expositions, consistent yet random shit that could be written into paragraphs. I may be exaggerating perhaps, but that's what I see to myself.

That toothbrush scene is still fucking funny. In all of anime scenes where it's a litmus test to ween out the ones who can't handle the insanity of Monogatari. Gosh I hope the neighbors are not concerned with how loud I fucking cackle, I wonder how iconic is that toothbrushing scene in anime history in general? It's so fucking weird and freaky that it's just fucking hilarious when watching that again.

Just curious on this one, because I typed myself as a 6 for several years - but I think it may have just been the untreated anxiety disorder, because now I'm consistently testing as a 9. Is this something anyone else has seen, or is this abnormal?

i heard that when someone has problems with overeating then they are more likely sp dom

Would you say you really want a relationship? How badly?

Describe your ideal relationship and how you guys behave in them.

• Type 1: "Ooh Ahh (My Life Be Like) feat. Toby Mac" by Grits

• Type 2: "Cupid" by FIFTY FIFTY, "Groceries" by Mall Rat, "Kiss Me" by Sixpence None The Richer, and "Kiss of Life" by Sade

• Type 4: "Stressed Out" by twenty one pilots, "Bittersweet Symphony" by The Verve, "Pocket Full of Stars" by Nine Black Alps, "Somewhere Only We Know" by Keane, "After Dark" by Mr. Kitty, and "Somewhere I Belong" by Linkin Park

• Type 6: "For What It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield, "Feather" by Nujabes, and "Safe and Sound" by Capital Cities

• Type 7: "Dont Worry Be Happy" by Bobby McFerrin and "Into Yesterday" by Sugar Ray

• Type 8: "Aint It Fun" by Paramore

• Type 9: "Snowfall" by Øneheart & Reidenshi, "aurarian dance" by Nujabes, "Need 2" by Pinegrove, "Calling On Angels" by Train, and "You Get What You Give" by New Radicals

I unfortunately couldn't think of any songs off the top of my head for types 3 and 5. I can't even think of any type 5 artists. (Maybe MF DOOM? He could've been 9w8 tho, so it's up for debate as to whether he was even a core 5 or not.) I know Taylor Swift and Beyoncé are 3s, but tbh I just don't really care for their music and nor do I listen to them really so I didn't reference any of their music as a result. I guess their songs just don't stick out in my head for whatever reason. No offense to any 3s reading this btw, I'm sure there's lots of good music out there that has come from 3s in general.

If there are any 3s or 5s looking at this post, please share songs that you each feel you strongly resonate with (including songs from Swift and Beyoncé for you 3s if it genuinely feels like they make music you guys specifically relate to)!

[And yeah I'm aware that there's an obvious over-representation of type 4 songs listed in my post, but it was really hard not to keep adding more as 4s just make great music and are prolific in the arts in general lol.]

Edit: Just thought of a song that reminds me of type 3: "Appluase" by Lady Gaga (tho I think she's a 4w3 irl)

Edit 2: Oh I forgot to include "Resonance" by Home for type 9.

How chaotic it would be……

All e1s will act like e4s

E2s act like e8s

E3s act like e9s

E4s will become the new e2s

E5s are now e7s

E6s are now e3s

E7s are the true e1s

E8s transforms into e5s

E9s are now e6s

Just for fun try to figure it out if you have time! "Why do I feel so under prepared and need to prepare myself in harsh situations that need full independence I have a strong fear of helplessness Especially in situations where I'm completely alone and don't know how to survive but I try my best to reduce the pressure of worrying by being a bit negativity denial " (which enneagram does this description describes) (LEVEL MODERATE)

I'm not sure if my anecdotes prove 9w8 compared to 9w1. I'm inclined to say yes because a lot of people online have told me that this resonates with their experience and I'm starting to see the patterns within myself. I'd like some input on this.

Note that even though I'm not a 9 core, I do have this superegoic flavour to how I express myself, like a concern on doing the right thing and feeling immense guilt after I've expressed my true brutally honest opinion, but there isn't that flavour of moralising others in favour of my own beliefs which according to a lot I've talked to is a marker for 9w1 as they care more about their way of right.

The reason why I resonate with 9 as a fix is because generally, I'm completely unaware of my boundaries as I'm merging with my environment to maintain a sense of peace. It was also only until two years ago that I became aware it was a common emotion i experience. I've always known i had anger issues but the tipping point was when i realised my irritation was a symptom of it. I've always known and felt somewhat comfortable with anger, although I knew that if i let it out, it would be explosive.

When I was younger, my parents used to fight a lot and my grandma always told me that I had the responsibility to keep them together. Even as a kid, i knew it was never my responsibility to do so but i never stood up to her and asserted that it was not my responsibility (I have only done that recently as I have begun to learn how to assert boundaries at 24). I don't think I knew better at the time but I never complied with her. I would go about my day as the fighting continued around me and I'd do nothing to stop it because I didn't want to get involved in a fight that had nothing to do with me and I thought they should resolve the actual problem rather than fighting (which never happened). I never liked them fighting as it was scary but it instilled this belief that fighting was completely normal in relationships and that love was associated with intensity. The fact that I became so used to it and literally never ever did something to accommodate for them in accordance with my grandma’s wishes makes me think 9w8.

There’s also that touch of rejecting a parental figure but I don’t think it was because I was trying to avoid looking vulnerable in front of others. (If I did, I probably would’ve tried anything to get them to stop fighting.) It’s more that I was highly aware that at the time, I knew to reject her opinion cuz it wasn’t my relationship and I was highly aware of where I stood boundary-wise. I never vocalised this but I did years later. I wish I said it sooner.

Furthermore, a specific pattern I see with 9w8s is that once they express their anger, they're very likely to let that. I very much experience this. I have three responses in relation to my anger: I will vent about it to release it by seeking out my support network, I'll let the anger pass through me even though I'm fucking fuming and rageful inside (expansive anger) and will absolutely push back if I was further provoked, or I will get angry immediately, say my honest piece to get the other person off my back and then I'll go back to my peaceful zone. This is all to settle my overwhelming feeling of anger and when i become angry, i feel like a completely destructive and different person. I shout, can become physically violent (a large source of guilt), and i say things i don't mean, but then later because that anger is completely exhausted, I'll deny and completely forget about the feeling. I'd describe my anger like a sleeping volcano - generally chill and easygoing but will erupt when something crosses my boudaries, something my close friend has also described with me. The rage I feel in the moment is raw and completely unfiltered, I say exactly what I've always thought and there is no refinement of that message. It's pure, honest and doesn't hold back, and it also has this protective streak of my boundaries and other people. I'll try to undermine and challenge the person, begin pointing fingers and accuse them. Make myself feel like a victim and illustrate myself as a target to make the other person feel bad (but that often never works, and before you say it, yes I know it's toxic and I need to work on it). Then I return to my baseline once that gets externalised. After, i experience the superego of 6 and begin thinking I'm a bad person for expressing my opinion and there'll be a lot of guilt that i hurt the other person.

Anyway, that's all I have to say about it for now. I have other anecdotes that I believe support 9w8 but I dont want to make this post longer than it needs to be. What do u guys think?

I’m sp9 and he explains a lot of 9s being very social and extroverted and reliant on ppl, cheerful saying even DPD correlates heavily with them, idk if it’s cause im triple withdrawn but ik other sp9s and we are not rlly that social or extroverted all and not concerned with people. If anything we prefer NOT to be around ppl. He made a whole point around viscerotonics and convivialness, ik descriptions should probably be taken as heuristics as opposed to so literally but I had to ask about it because it’s so polar opposite to how I am

Ik a lot of ppl have thought abt the validity of naranjos thoughts and idk much abt him so

I'm kinda dumb cause i was sure LIKE EXTREMELY sure that im 648 (any combination just the tritype) but now i thought about 649 (any combination too dont mind it) cause i kinda have no idea 😭💔 I could be mistyped whole time while i was sure? I'm sure about the rest of it tho cause i just dont think i could be either 2 or 3 as heart or 5 or 7 as head soo only gut triad left. Im thankful for all responces anyway! Also, is it possible for ESFP? Cause only ESFPs cognitive functions relate to me 😓

First of all sorry for asking so many questions lately, I can’t feel calm unless I’m 100% sure.

I’ve been actively struggling to find out if I’m a sp6 or sx6. I am incredibly two faced and thus I genuinely relate to both (I relate much more to sx6 though). The problem arises more in how it correlates with my typology, even if I relate more to sx6, it apparently doesn’t fit with the other systems I’m typed in. It’s fine if you look at the systems separately but it becomes a problem once you combine all of them as it looks uncanny. If I were to be Sp6 on the other hand, it would look just fine.

I just need to know if it’s worth the trouble having sx6 noted as my core compared to sp6. I’m sure that I have sx/sp or sp/sx stacking and I’m also sure that I’m a 6. Thanks in advance.