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Credit Myth #92 - The utilization myth no longer applies because trended data is now used.

The utilization myth states that one should always "keep utilization low" or below a certain percentage, with the most common one mentioned being 30%. We've debunked this myth for years, found way back at Credit Myth #14 referenced below.

https://old.reddit.com/r/CRedit/comments/1d27d4h/credit_myth_14_you_shouldnt_use_more_than_30_of/

The utilization myth is still arguably the biggest myth in credit today. The novice rebuttal you see from most people is that "it's not a myth, because it impacts your score!" Many have come to correctly understand that the myth has nothing at all to do with scoring at all, just that "keeping utilization low" doesn't build credit and that it can be detrimental in multiple ways.

One of the more recent rebuttals we're seeing that appears to be coming up with increased frequency involves newer scoring models/versions that use "Trended Data" (TD) along with standard utilization metrics. The argument sounds something like, "Utilization isn't a myth any longer because some models look at it beyond just a single moment in time." While that statement is correct, those making it typically don't understand how TD is actually used alongside utilization.

It's first worth pointing out that the models using TD (notably FICO 10T and VantageScore 4.0) are rarely used in lending decisions today. While they may gain further traction over time, we haven't seen much yet. FICO 10T has been out for > 5 years at this point and VS4 is nearing 10 years since its release. So, unless we know of a lender that specifically uses either of these models/versions (ex: USAA, Synchrony) it's typically not worth bringing up in the first place.

But, far more important is understanding what Trended Data actually is. They key word here is trend. The FICO 10T algorithm looks at your utilization/balances over the course of 24 months and identifies what the trend looks like. It's aim is to see if your utilization rate has been increasing or decreasing (or staying the same) over time. If the trend is upward, it bodes problematic for the model which sees that as a sign of increased risk. If it stays the same or trends down, F10T doesn't take issue beyond the way standard utilization metrics are considered by earlier versions.

Someone that allows their statement balances to generate organically every cycle and pays their statement balances in full monthly will not have an upward trajectory with utilization over time. Over a period of 24 months, utilization would remain generally flat. Since we know that the act of paying statement balances in full monthly equates to the strongest responsible revolving credit use, those that exhibit that behavior are more likely to see lucrative CLI results. Those greater limits will then result in lower utilization over time on the same reported balances, which can mean a downward trajectory for utilization. Either way, utilization isn't increasing over time if one is paying their statement balances in full monthly, so FICO 10T would not penalize someone with any greater harshness than previous versions. The idea of "keeping utilization low" being better for TD models is grounded in misunderstanding of how TD is considered.

A profile with sufficiently strong credit limits can have total reported revolving balances organically fluctuate between 4-figures and 5-figures at different points throughout the year and not see any penalties at all associated with TD on FICO 10T. A trio of perfect 850s on F10T is possible with 5-figures of reported revolving debt.

In conclusion, it's still just as much a myth today that you should "keep utilization low." The fact that Trended Data is now incorporated into several scoring models doesn't at all change that fact.

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u/BrutalBodyShots — 4 hours ago
Image 1 — Experian "ghost" late payment? Score dropped 27 pts but the account is nowhere to be found.
Image 2 — Experian "ghost" late payment? Score dropped 27 pts but the account is nowhere to be found.
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Experian "ghost" late payment? Score dropped 27 pts but the account is nowhere to be found.

Hey everyone, quick question. Has anyone else seen a "ghost" late payment on Experian lately?

My FICO 8 just tanked 27 points out of nowhere. When I check the "See what changed" section, it says: "Your number of accounts ever 30+ days late increased from 1 to 2."

The weird part is that I’ve gone through my entire report account by account (even the closed ones) and nothing shows as late for April or March. I also checked all my bank apps directly (Amex, Chase, etc.) and everything is on autopay and current.

Is Experian just being glitchy? It’s like the summary "sees" a late payment but the actual report doesn't show which account it is. I also checked Credit Karma (VantageScore) for Equifax and TransUnion, and those scores haven't moved at all, so I’m wondering if this is just a blip or if I should be worried.

Anyone else dealt with this? How do I even dispute something that isn't showing up on a specific account yet?

u/Fit_Kaleidoscope2520 — 3 hours ago
I need to do something
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I need to do something

Using Credit Karma app.

I really want to taking my credit seriously, but I genuinely don’t understand what you guys talk about. I just need some direction and some dumb downed words.

Here’s my situation:

•	No credit cards at all

•	1 auto loan with Westlake Financial (closed, bad situation, no longer have the car)

•	About 5 student loans showing

•	1 collection account for around $8,000 (I don’t even know what it’s for)

I don’t understand:

•	How do I actually pay this stuff? Like where do I go?

•	Do I call someone? Who?

•	What should I focus on first?

•	Should I ignore some things and focus on others?
u/Outside-Pizza-8931 — 13 hours ago
Too many credit cards: TU4 "Number of Established Accounts" Data Point
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Too many credit cards: TU4 "Number of Established Accounts" Data Point

As some of the regular hobbyists here know, I'm in the process of buying a home. I've collected a lot of interesting data points in the process and I plan to do a more in-depth writeup of all of them eventually, but for now this will have to suffice.

Profile information as of 2/23/26:

  • Squeaky clean
  • Number of accounts: 14 total. 12 open credit cards, 1 closed credit card, 1 closed installment loan
  • AAoA: 3y7m
  • AoY(R)A: 6m
  • AoO(R)A: 7y6m
  • AAoIA/AoORA: 2y5m
  • AZE2 ($31 on one and $5 on the other)
  • HPs: 1 scoreable from 2/26/25 for a CC + several other de-duplicated HPs from mortgage lenders within the previous week

The negative reason codes on the other two bureaus are pretty unremarkable. All the codes you'd expect from a churner. The interesting one here is "Number of Established Accounts." This is the first time I've seen that one. That's the reason code for too many revolving accounts. Many churners believe that there is no negative impact to having this many accounts, but my scores are proof that there is. This also makes credit karma's "21+ accounts is excellent" particularly sinister.

It's worth noting that we're talking about a very minor penalty here. This is the last reason code which means it's impacting my scores the least of the four listed. I'd be shocked if the penalty were worth more than 10-15 points. There's a decent chance it's worth single digit points. I wouldn't use this to scare someone away from churning. I'm easily qualifying for the most favorable terms on my mortgage even despite being a dirty filthy churner.

u/inky_cap_mushroom — 6 hours ago
Image 1 — Questions and a tiny bit of bragging
Image 2 — Questions and a tiny bit of bragging
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Questions and a tiny bit of bragging

(Screenshots from TransUnion Fico8 to show growth over a 12 month period.)

I know my score isn't great. However, I'm proud of the growth in a short time.

I recently paid off roughly 6 collections ranging from $205 - $1600 each. Now the only thing left on my report are my current car payment (with a high interest rate) and student loans. The student loans are not consolidated, which leads me to my first question. Should I consolidate them so it doesn't look like I truly have 20 open lines?

Next up, I am at a point in life where I can make monthly payments on a credit card long term. However, I never learned how to manage a credit card usage. Now that I'm educated I feel ready and able to open a revolving account. I only have options of getting a secured card. Reading back through old posts it doesn't seem to matter the company you go with but Capitol One and Discover are great places to start. This leads me into my next question, what amount is best to start with? Is there any benefit to having a $200 secure line vs. a $50 secure line?

And my final question, going back to my car payment. My current interest rate is over 20%. Is it realistic to refinance at a lower interest rate and not extend my lease? If so, where should I start?

u/todaysdowncast — 9 hours ago
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Is Premier Credit Partners(PCP) legit?

Hi guys I hope you are doing well. So I found out about Premier Credit Partners from someone who allegedly borrowed money from them. However, I am unsure if they are legit, so I was wondering if anyone can let me know about them. Thank you

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u/AHZArmin — 3 hours ago
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Has CK accuracy improved recently? My scores were underreported

Credit Karma is reporting my equifax and transunion scores at roughly 20 points lower than their actual scores. Many moons ago they were known for reporting scores higher than they were. Are they suddenly getting closer to accuracy by not over inflating so much or is this just a blip? I noticed it no longer says anything about vantage 3.0 either. It’s probably been 5 years since I’ve used Credit Karma.

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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 — 4 hours ago
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Don’t know what to do next

February I sent out a validation letter to a lawyer office whose reporting on my credit as a collection because I believed the amount owed on a rental collection was incorrect. It got returned as nobody being at the address they provided to the credit bureau (TransUnion). I’m at a loss how am I supposed to pay them if I can’t even get them to respond. When I call the number they provided as well the line always stays busy. What can I do now??? I have to move in about four months so I’m trying to figure this out as quickly as possible

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u/Darkskinashleighh — 4 hours ago
19F, score dropped 40 points after new Amex Statement
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19F, score dropped 40 points after new Amex Statement

I, 19F, got the amex platinum back in December because I travel a lot and liked the benefits of the card. I have payments set to autopay. My credit score before the card was 750 (i was signed as an authorized user on my dad’s card, the Amex is mine), but the month after I got it it dropped to 694 due to “new account age” (8 months), “hard inquiry” and “poor credit mix”.

This statement, I paid off my $817 balance using autopay and my score dropped 40 points overnight?!

How do I fix this? I make $100,000 a year and I don’t have any loans or debt, so I don’t understand what’s going on. Why did it drop so much? Help.

u/LovelyMelXo — 9 hours ago
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Working on my credit

I am a 33y(f) and have been actively trying to get my credit score up. I’ve been consistently sitting at 540-587 for about a yr now and idk what I’m doing wrong. I don’t owe any debt, have no derogatory marks, and I pay my bills on time. I have gotten 3 credit cards since Dec that I make small purchases with and pay the balance when due. Is there anything I can do to get to the 700’s?

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u/Camms92 — 13 hours ago
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Advice on priorities and next steps

Coming out on the other side of the tunnel of the darkest period of my life and dealing with the fallout of neglected finances right now.

Using Experian to monitor my credit, currently at 541. A number of charge offs and derogatory marks as follows:

11.3K charge-off Capital One

3.2K charge-off BoA

5.2K charge-off Chase

$338 in collections Caine and Weiner from Progressive

$450 in collections from Paypal but not appearing on credit score

I've currently got an Amex card with a $1,000 limit that's maxed out and that's it.

Surplus income is about $1,400 monthly, and I need to purchase a vehicle soon to get to work, although I have a support system for this in the interim.

What the heck do I prioritize here?

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u/Wonderful_Aspect5121 — 3 hours ago
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ELI5 how do I fix my credit score after forgetting a payment

I had a nearly perfect credit score but I didn't pay for a student loan due to significant memory issues and it went down to 530. I just paid it all off because it wasn't even that much that I was late on. I don't know how to get it back up. I'm trying to get an apartment and it was totally fine just a few days ago.

I have little financial education. I have a Captial One credit card because I just needed credit for things like apartments. I'm not in any debt now. I only have one card that's a couple years old. I don't have any reason to take out other loans. I still have payments left so I'll keep doing that on time. I don't like messing with finances I really am just trying to pay bills and that's it.

How do I build credit? Is there something I should do to show that I can make payments? Sorry if this is stupid I really don't understand credit scores and I'm freaking out a little especially because I really need an apartment ASAP and now I have horrible credit all of a sudden. I don't know how to find help for my situation because people with credit this low usually have a lot of debt and this is the only time something like this has happened to me. I know not paying was stupid I really wish I'd been better about this.

Edit to clarify I know this takes a while, I mean over time. Do I just keep doing what I'm doing? I don't want this to stick for a long time.

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u/alittleworminthedirt — 7 hours ago
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Chase charge-off, $20k, Feb 2023 -- best way to pay it off

I will be buying a home and applying for a mortgage later this year, so I want to pay off my Chase charge-off next month when I receive a large sum of money. The amount is $20,198, and it was charged off in February 2023.

A couple years ago, I received correspondence from an attorney and there was a hearing. Since I did not show up (and was responsible for the delinquent amount anyway), I was found responsible for the debt. There has not been any levy or wage garnishments to date.

- Should I be reaching out to Chase directly or to the attorney office from the lawsuit to make arrangements to pay this debt?

- Is it possible that Chase or the attorney office (whichever is applicable) will agree to accept a lower amount to settle this? (I know I will need to file any unpaid amount as income on my taxes.)

Thanks in advance!

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u/Emmie_Lynn — 4 hours ago
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Help with goodwill letter

Hi , I'm looking to fix my credit have two things that have my credit score low . One of them being my Discover account. I fell behind a few years ago due to a car accident I wasn't able to work so I fell behind on my credit card and card note and have two late payments for both . I was in a terrible position and I got back on track and it hasn't happened since. The only thing I have now is a high balance which I can get paid in full now. My questions are does anyone have any experience with getting late payments removed from their credit report ? Who all should I send the goodwill letter to for me to actually get a responds ? In the goodwill letter should I include supporting evidence like my hospital bills and photos or is that a bit much? What should I do ?

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u/4shouu — 4 hours ago
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I f'd up.. how screwed am I?

My 30 & 60 day lates comes off this year. I had a student loan that was on autopay and it didn't charge my card. I got a note that my credit just got hit with a new 30 day late. I'm planning to call and ask if they can remove but I'm assuming they're not. They were on autopay! How the hell did they not take the payment for last month?!

I was planning to buy a vacation property next year in the Poconos.

10 years ago I had some serious financial issues. Cleaned them all up. Now it's this again.

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u/Temporary-Plum-8325 — 23 hours ago
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Anybody have any recent experiences with BofA cancelling autopay and not alerting you?

This just happened to me and I'm absolutely livid. Have had two BofA cards for 10 years, never missed a payment on either of them. Stopped using one of the cards around two years ago, used it again accidentally in January, and didn't find out they had cancelled the autopay until I got an alert that my credit score dropped from 800 to 710. Called them and they're adamant that there's nothing they can do, and that I should be grateful that they didn't charge me a late fee as a "courtesy" for cancelling the autopay.

I found some other reddit post describing similar issues, but most are a few years old and it seems like BofA has tightened their policy around goodwill adjustments since then. Has anybody had this happen recently and been successful in getting them to remove the past due payment?

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u/rhymeswithcrazy — 5 hours ago
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Hard inquiry

I have worked hard to rebuild my credit from a 540 to 760 over the past couple years. Thursday I took out a new car loan which will cause a hard inquiry. I only have two credit cards with very low limits. Should I apply for a new credit card now before my credit score decreases due to the hard inquiry and loan? I had read that hard inquiries so close together would be seen as 1 hard inquiry. Am I misunderstanding? if I should go ahead and apply for a new credit card which card do you recommend?

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u/FailingAtAdulthood — 5 hours ago
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How to build credit?

I just recently started building my credit and I still am navigating around the utilization percentages.

So far, I have a credit card and a secured card both at $1000 limit. I usually pay my balances before the statement comes out and leave around 10% of my limit. I pay my statement balance within a week of getting it.

Having said that, is it more important to keep your utilization low or just make sure I always pay my statement balance for the month?

Thank you in advance 🙂

I’d appreciate it if you could give me some tips too!

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u/Dizzy-Escape6657 — 11 hours ago
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My mom put an internet/phone bill in my name when I was 16.

As the title says, my mom put the internet/phone bill in my name when I was 16. I am 24 now and have had no problems with my credit until a few days ago when I noticed a collections notice on my credit for $370 which brought down my credit from 728 to around 620. I have been stressing out about it and reached out to her. She swears up and down that she paid all the bills and they just recently switched internet providers, so they do not even have internet with this company anymore. I want to believe her about that part, but now I am the one stuck with this collection notice on my credit. What can I do without getting my mom in trouble? I really do not want this on my credit, especially because my credit was somewhat decent... It has been stressing me out so bad. I don't know what to do. I really don't want her to get in trouble, but I also do not want to be the one to carry this bad credit because of something that was her problem.

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u/larissafayy — 9 hours ago
Week