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NOW WITH THE DAMN PICTURES IN ORDER ^(I hate this place.)

Imagine for a second being the Chaz fans who made this originally, and how ecstatic you would be that the show canonized your work, only for 70% of the loudest people in the fandom to say they hate it and think its the worst thing the show has produced AND even start attacking the creators and VA's who worked on it.

My villain arc would begin I won't lie.

At the start of the show Via is pretty mature for her age. She doesn't shut her father out completely and trusts him enough to listen when he or even a complete stranger tells her he cares. She more then willing to let Stolas *in*. Her biggest fault is that she tries to shut out the world with her headphones but even then she responds when people speak to her and she isn't shutting everything out 24/7. She doesn't act like a typical 17 year old, her maturity at the start is more common with adults in their very early 20s.

Take the Loo Loo Land episode, Most 17 year olds wouldnt even entertain going on a daddy daughter day. Let alone TALK about exactly what she was scared of or even let her dad attempt to explain themselves. If a 17 year old with a normal level of maturity was woken up to their mom screaming about her dad cheating they'd either completely ignore their dad when he tried to talk to them or just tell him off and leave, because with the knowledge of the situation that Via possess it's a cut and dry case of Stolas being the one at fault. However despite the fact that Via even says that "HE" made her home not feel like home anymore, Via still actually tried to communicate with Stolas. Yes she ran off at the robo Fizz show but most ADULTS would have called it quits sooner.

Most teens also wouldn’t have so quickly forgiven their dads after a fuck up like Seeing Stars. Via's response was less mature in the beginning of the episode though arguably not completely out of pocket for a 17 year old, but her ability to listen to Loona and understand that Stolas does care is a mature response for a 17 year old. That's a mature response for most youngadults let alone a 17 year old.

But by Sinsmas Via's almost regressed, her maturity from Loo Loo Land has been worn down considerably and she doesn't have the patience to listen to Stolas nor the level of trust needed to for her to keep forgiving Stolas. Stolas's constantly fucking up with her ended up making Via regress.

Conversely with Loona, during the start of show she was incredible IMMATURE for her age. She's 22 but she refuses to talk to Blitz about her problems and only pushes him away. Whenever Blitz tries to insert himself into her business she either yells at him and tells him off at best and at worst flat out assaults him. Her maturity is closer to that of a highschooler with severe anger management issues. She spend a large amount of time trying to keep Blitz *out*.

The most likely reason for this is because of how she was raised. Her life in the pound made it necessary to keep people at arms length. Once she got out though her maturity seemed to have stalled. Likely a result of her being in a safe place but still always in fight or... fight mode.

But over the course of the show Loona matures. The Loona in Seeing Stars isn't the Loona from Spring Broken. The Loona in Spring Broken says that Blitz isn't even her real dad. The Loona from Seeing Stars DOES see Blitz as her real dad but wouldn't let him know it. And then in Mastermind Loona calls him her dad to his face. TWICE. She's grown considerably when compared to how she started.

Both Loona and Via are finally acting their ages now due to their fathers behavior. And that's good for one of them and ONLY one of then.

Not only that but knowing what we know about Stolas that's almost definitely what happened.

Yeah he didn't have a lot of time to think of a plan, but that doesn't mean that he went with the most reasonable, sane option, and importantly, not the option a father in his situation would take.

Interrupt the execution, confess to what he did, get on his knees, and beg for forgiveness. THAT'S what a father who would want to ensure his daughter doesn't get forced into the life he desperately wants to escape from would do.

What he ended up doing is nearly nonsensical though. His little "I AM THE REAL MASTERMIND" bit basically was guaranteed to piss off Satan because it was blatantly defying his authority. Obviously Satan would get pissed and make an example of him. Being executed here would be a fitting end for the lead in a tragic romance. That's what Stolas saw himself as in this moment. And that's what Stolas's soap opera rotted, romance novel poisoned brain wanted. He wanted a grand, final romantic gesture.

Stolas has been living in a fantasy romance novel he has had in his head for the entire year. He has occasionally been shook out of it but he always fell back into it. Mastermind though hit him hard enough that he seems to be permanently shaken out of it. That's why he's so upset at the end despite apparently being ready to die to save Blitz. He put his head on the chopping block to get his dark romance ending but that isn't what he got, and now he's been smacked back into reality.

This makes Stolas just as selfish as he is selfless, this showcases his flaws as much as it does it's positive attributes, and yes. This shows he didn't go in as a father that remembered he needs to go home to his daughter. He made the morally correct choice he didn't think how this could negatively affect his daughter, not about how it would negatively affect her mentally nor that it would mean that Via would be forced into marriage where she's forced to conceive a child just like how he was. He didn't think about how his actions would make Via have to be the one who will be "just lying there, staring at the wall when her husband does everything."

But him knowing that going into this? That would be the behavior of a terrible father. Stolas isn't a terrible father. He's occasionally stupid, he's got telenovela brainrot, but he loves Via way too much for him to do this consciously. A Stolas who remembered Via would never in a million years let himself be killed and risk her being forced into his place.

All he saw that day was, all he wanted that day was a romantic, grand, final romantic gesture. But all he saw after was what he lost. He's finally seeing the big picture but unfortunately it was too little too late.

We see in The Circus that Barb used to have amazing reflexes, but now she just bumbles around all over the place. The drugs she took (maybe still takes) seems to have destroyed her reflexes.

edit: apparently its not barb. everyone who was polite in informing me of this is allowed into Valhalla. for those who were not polite, next time they go to the movies they will sit next to a guy who chews with his mouth open and they will sit behind a guy who spends the entire movie on his max brightness phone.

In an interview with Collider, Brandon Rogers said that

1. Season 3 doesn’t let up when it comes to how hard it's going to be on Blitz.
2. this is the season where everything changes.
3. the first two seasons were “setting up the bowling pins,” and says Season 3 is when the ball hits.

In an interview with Comicbook.com he had also said that Rogers said that he hasn’t seen one fan online manage to guess how Helluva Boss will wrap its story once season four has finished.

There is in all likelihood going to be a massive change to the status quo in season 3 and a very negative one at that. Judging by how Rogers talks about it he might think it's already possible to figure out what's about to happen. So my question is, what would be a major but believable change to the status quo?

Vivziepop was asked if Stella would ever get development. She said that yes, we'll learn more about Stella, but also that Stella will remain a simple and unapologetically evil antagonist, because those kinds of one note villains are a lot of fun to her. She said that a "Cruella" like character is who she was going for.

The problem with tv shows having one note villains (especially when it comes to the main villain) is that more time needs to be dedicated to them then almost any other form of media. Disney villains like Cruella work so well *because* they're in 90 minute movies. Simpler is better for shorter media.

A tv show however has way more time dedicated to it and more time needs to be spent consuming it. And because of that, flat, one note villains with nothing to them can bring down the quality of a show if they're focused on for too long. There's a reason why there was a lot of focus in Avatar on Azula but there was hardly any focus on Ozai. I'm not saying its impossible to make a main villain in a tv show one note with nothing to them but them being evil and that also constantly appears in a show narratively interesting, but a writer that can make that Herculean task work is one in a million. Not to mention that Helluva Boss *is* basically a drama at this point. One note villains work well for comedies (which Helluva boss also is, clearly) but *not* for dramas, and this is already a problem in the show. Stella shines when it comes to the comedic parts of the show but she falls completely flat in the more dramatic parts of the show. Stella is so cartoonishly evil that she's less a character and more a force of nature that's only purpose is to make things terrible for people before being soundly defeated. Which works well enough for Ferngully but not the drama comedy that Helluva Boss is.

However, going back to what Vivziepop said during that interview, Vivziepop had brought up Beatrice Horseman as an example of how getting more insight into a character's own perspective would impact and change our understanding of them, even if they mostly have a one-note personality, and then pretty much said that we can expect that sort of direction for Stella.

I'm thinking... *hoping*, that she means that Stella JUST has a simple personality and a lot of depth everywhere else when it comes to her character. *That* would Stella interesting while having a one note personality. That would make her just like Beatrice Horseman. It would also make her like Azula who I mentioned before, both are cartoonisly evil characters whos depth is linked to their backstory and how their backstory affects their relationships with the characters around them. The way Vivziepop describes what kind of character Stella is really makes it seem like they're going with a "her parents broke a perfectly good child and now Stella is like this" angle. Which makes a lot of sense knowing what we already know about Stella, it would also fit with the "generational trauma" theme

the show has going on.

Problem now is that also would make Stella a *tragic* character like Beatrice and Azula. No one looks at either of those characters now as "horrible people who are were always just like that" nowadays even though pretty much everyone did when their shows first aired. And that's mainly a problem because half the fandom loses their shit if you even think that Stella should have a sympathetic backstory. So that's definitely not going to be a problem on the creators end, but a problem with how people might react to it.

For me it was when I realized the show hasn't gone into Stella's perspective at all yet.

This seething hatred for cartoon character has gone past the point of normal and dive bombed straight into deranged. There is no sane reason for parts of this fandom to be this militantly violent towards fictional characters.

Someone talks about Stella in a way that's not seething hatred? They get attacked. Someone says "Hey I would like it if Stella had more depth? Hate. Someone jokes that they like Stella because shes hot? Hate for that too. Someone says that they think there's already more to Stella then her being the most evil thing put to paper (ha)? Hate hate hate. Why not poison the well and say that people who want there to be more to Stella just want her to be complex for complexity sake? There's 5000 posts a month about how people want Stella to get violently beaten. I've gotten told that I'm defending her abusive behavior despite calling what she does unexceptable. How? I don't have a clue. Maybe I should of said she should get violently beaten instead.

Speaking of violence. Everyone and their mother constantly talk about wanting the most violent or creepy shit possible to happen to her and it's just uncomfortable at best. I have seen people literally saying they want her to be humiliated so much that she commits self delete ^(don't fucking start, I have to censor it to get past the filters) That is a DERANGED statement. I've seen people say that they want Stella to become so destitute that she's forced into selling her body. That's fucking creepy as hell.

People have even said that she's was real that should get violently beaten or killed or even SA'd. Or all 3. Not prison. Not fucking therapy. Beaten and killed and SA'd. If you're saying that a real life person should be beaten, killed, and SD'd, (hopefully not in that order but I wouldn't put it pass this godforsaken fandom) you have officially lost the plot. Praying for violence on her is much more common than just wanting a justified outcome.

"Oh but there's nothing more to Stella then being hateable!" Well when someone says they want more to her then that half the fandom jumps down their throats.

This is NOT a normal reaction to people talking about a cartoon bird. This is not a normal reaction to a cartoon bird. Please just be fucking normal about this.

Yes. Blitz is self-centered. And both Orphan Time and Sinsmas have that self-centeredness on full display.

In Orphan Time he fixated on getting his "daddy daughter bonding time" to the point he doesn't seem to notice the connection between him a Wigglers and he doesn't notice Loona bizarre behavior. He doesn’t even notice that Loona is clearly upset by the end of it. This is pretty much as self-centered as you can get.

In Sinsmas he's still shown being self-centered. His day dream is focused on him from what their doing in the daydream to the framing of the scene. Blitz is even dead center in the middle of the screen. His day dream is tied to what he want's for himself. After all, Via clearly doesn't want this but she's there anyway. Stolas and Loona would likely be uncomfortable with this argument but they're in there anyway. This is his family that, at this point, he and only he wants.

But Orphan Time ends with Blitz beating a man to death with a rock. The scene in Sinsmas ends with Blitz sparing the father. So what's changed?

Stolas's relationship to the situation is what changed.

When the connection was to him and Loona, Blitz was acting completely self-centered. Loona feelings went completely over his head and Mr. Wiggler's feelings and Mr. Wiggler's children's feelings didn't matter at all. The only thing he wanted was his daddy daughter bonding time.

But while his daydream was still self-centered in Sinsmas. The reason why he was able to show empathy was because the situation was tied to Stolas. What that dad did was what Stolas did. Because of Stolas's being like the dads situation Blitz was able to see himself in this family and want this kind of family. It's self-centered AND it's an improvement. It was a reaction that not even his love for Loona was able to manifest.

Yes yes, thank you. I'm glad I can finally actually see the Lumineon picture from Scarlett and Violet- BUT WHY CAN'T I GET THE PAINTINGS FROM THE CELADON HOTEL AND THE POKÉMON FAN CLUB???

Weep. Cry even.

One reason is I love drama. I hope this whole situation turns into even more of a cluster fuck.

But more importantly,

I'd be delighted for Blitz to go up to Via and be like "Oh your dad loves you, he's not truly happy without you in his life, Loona would love it if you were her sister, I want us to be a family blah blah blah".

And then for someone, Via or anyone else, to yell at him for being so selfish.

All the things I mentioned don't actually put in to consideration what Via wants. Stolas needs this, Loona would love this, Blitz wants that. No acknowledgement what Via wants, just what everyone else in Blitz’s found family wants.

I see it a lot in the fandom nowadays, and I think it's understandable in a way because this IS the kind of person Blitz is. He IS self-centered and does have a habit of trying to thrust himself into peoples lives even if they don't want to be around him. He does it by breaking into the M&Ms apartment and following them to Ozzies, he never left Barb alone despite her making it very clear she didn't want him in her life. He even didn't it to Stolas's in apology tour. Stolas flat out said that he didn't want to talk right now and he didn't leave.

Even that daydream in Sinsmas has this problem. Because you have to ask, why is Via there in the first place. She's either there because either Stolas would want her to be there or because Blitz would want it. They have interacted ONCE this whole series up into this point and even if Blitz is feeling somekind of parental affection towards Via due to his connection to Stolas it's pretty obvious that Via at this point wouldn't want this. It's presumptuous at best and takes no account into the idea that Via would ever want to snuggle up to a man who she believes broke her family.

If someone called Blitz out on this it could lead to such good character growth. Not just for realizing that he's not taking into consideration what Via wants but for him to come to terms with facy that he does this with so many other people. All to the detriment of his relationship with them.

I just saw a theory, and for the record I'm 99% sure it isn’t true, but!

I've seen people suggest that this clip might of been played in reverse and she's actually looking *away* from someone, probably Stolas.

Again, I'm 99% sure this isn't what's happening, this kind of misleading framing doesn't seem to be Helluva Boss's style. Plus the hair physics isn't really working out, but on the one percent chance I'm wrong on this.

Oof. Just oof.

I'm pretty sure that the party that Blitz and Stolas are going to/sneaking into is the last episode of part 1, I also think something *really* bad will happen. Or to be more precise

A lot of bad things will happen.

-Stolas runs out of happy pills and can't get any legally, Blitz and Stolas decided to break into the palace and get the pills that are there.

-Stolas is going to go to the party to both act as a distraction AND see Via. A terrible idea I assure you.

-Blitz is going to sneak around and either gets caught or blow his cover.

-Stolas approachs Via and either she gets pissed at him for not respecting her boundaries or Via views Stolas at this party as him actually trying to reconnect with her but when Blitz cover is blown she realizes he's there for a heist and then gets pissed at him.

Remember how Rogers said this season will be harsh on Blitz? Judging by part 1's teaser I think thats not going to be the case in part 1 until the very end. And at the end of the episode Stolas is going to be upset that things with Via are even more bleak and possibly say or do something he can't take back. With the part ending with both of them at their lowest point

Stolas might be there as a distraction and Blitz might be there to steal something. Clearly some kind of mission is going on because Stolas tells him "good luck". Seeing how Blitz is dressed like a waiter and training like hes going to pull off the heist of the century, it definitely looks like he's trying to sneak in there, and Stolas being there could potentially be the perfect distraction since any Goetia there would focus on him for worse or... worse. This "something" they need could also be related to why Stolas is crying earlier on in the teaser.

This was going to be a part of a bigger analysis post of the teaser but since Reddit refuses to function correctly, and since I thought about this more its getting it's own post.

In the teaser, Stella is telling someone "Oh FUCK NO" in front of either Lucifer or Bels sigil. (Note the R) Andrealphus sigil.

Her making an X with her arms really hammers home how much she refuses to let whatever she's angry at happen. It's a very strong and animated response from someone who already has incredibly strong responses by default.

It should be noted that "Oh fuck no" is more of a response to hearing that something is going to happen or is happening. Rather then someone asking if something could happen. That also goes back to her arms making an "X", commonly that's done when you're refusing something. Keep this in mind.

Possibility 1, personal favorite.

Stella is rejecting the idea of Via getting married. Stella notably hasn't tried to marry Via off, seemingly ever, which is pretty out of character for a social climber like Stella. This might be the one line she doesn't want to cross, especially since she hated being married to Stolas. It could even be projection on Stella's part. Essentially a sort of empathy by proxy.

Alt: She might be rejecting a suiter for Via. Maybe she's going around (or being dragged around) to check out suiters and rejecting them? Either because they dont meet her standards or because Stella just doesn't want to marry Via off to begin with.

Note: I don't think it's Stella telling Via she's not allowed to back out of a marriage. Mostly because its a massive escalation on Stella's part. She has never yelled at Via before and this behavior of Stella's is closer to how she was treating Stolas in episode 2.

Possibility 2.

She's telling someone, likely Andrealphus, that she doesn’t want to invite Stolas to Via's 18th birthday party. Seeing how we see Stolas dressed in his royal outfit in front of the palace, which also has cars parked in front of it. It likely means that he's there for some kind of royal gathering, and I feel like he wouldn't be able to go to just any royal gathering. It also makes sense that Stella wouldn't want Stolas anywhere near the palace, her, or even Via.

This is also the most worrying one because if Andrealphus wants Stolas to come he probably has something horrible planned if he *wants* Stolas to be there.

Possibility 3.

She's telling Via that she needs to wear her gown from the trailer instead of her normal outfit/something more in line with Via's style.

This one is the least likely in this situation but it is possible. The main problem is it a bit too steep of an escalation in Stella's behavior when it comes to Via. Stella has never yelled at Via before. Nor has she even gotten angry at Via.

Plus "Oh fuck no" doesn't seem like it fits with Stella telling Via she can't do something. "Absolutely not" fits better.

Possibility 4. This is a flash back to recent events. However if this is a flashback to something that happened recently it would be impossible to figure out what the context is. Still this is a very likely possibility.

Reasons that I'm pretty sure aren't the cause of this:

This isn't a flashback to Stella being married off since she looks exactly the same as she currently does. Same dress and all.

As of right now, it probably isn't Via asking Stella if Stolas can come to the party. Via made it pretty clear that she didn't want Stolas in her life anymore. So unless something changed, Via likely wouldn't ask that.