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like idk does he? i mean i guess but a lot of people cry in this show?

moxxie is me. thats me rn.

no but seriously? i see it all the time and its getting kinda ridiculous. like theres no reason it cant apply to stella or verosika but it can to stolas or blitz

ive actually been putting off watching bojack because the way this fandom acts i was under the impression that it had the bleakest, most unpleasant ending possible and like... no?

like the ending is basically that life doesnt really have happy endings and that its actually that its just one choice after the other after the other and that bojack and dianes friendship is over because of bojack and he needs to accept the damage hes caused even though accepting that wont make diane forgive him. that doesnt mean hes doomed to suffer or something just that things have changed.

and like i think that would be the perfect ending for blitz and stolas, having their relationships with people from their old lives being permanently broken or changed and them moving on from that.

^(edit by strawberylshortcake beacuse i still cant edit things why is this so hard sos mayday)

Like on a post yesterday people said that via was in the wrong because she hurt stolas by telling him off and cutting him off and like??? its just really tone death.

if someone is hurting you like stolas did to via its ok to cut them off and youre COMPLEATLY justified to do so? via shouldnt have had to stay in a toxic relationship just because it would hurt her dad if she left and to say she shouldnt have told him off for leaving her because it hurt stolas feelings is frankly kinda gross. like people say all the time that stolas shouldnt just have took stellas abuse for vias sake but via cant cut off her dad even though he keeps repeatedly hurting her? why is via supposed to just accept the toxic relationship between her and her dad to keep her dad happy?

its unnerving how much some people want via to go through just for stolas' happiness.

real quick promise, ive seen a lot of people someone's theory is a headcanon and a lot of the time thats just not the case? if its based off of something in the show, even if its something minor its not a headcanon. even if it SEEMS to contradict something in the show it still might be a theory if theres a reasonable work around. it just feels like people have been saying "thats just youre headcanon" to dismiss people lately.

its like one of those every other day plz stop

Vivziepop was asked if Stella would ever get development. She said that yes, we'll learn more about Stella, but also that Stella will remain a simple and unapologetically evil antagonist, because those kinds of one note villains are a lot of fun to her. She said that a "Cruella" like character is who she was going for.

The problem with tv shows having one note villains (especially when it comes to the main villain) is that more time needs to be dedicated to them then almost any other form of media. Disney villains like Cruella work so well *because* they're in 90 minute movies. Simpler is better for shorter media.

A tv show however has way more time dedicated to it and more time needs to be spent consuming it. And because of that, flat, one note villains with nothing to them can bring down the quality of a show if they're focused on for too long. There's a reason why there was a lot of focus in Avatar on Azula but there was hardly any focus on Ozai. I'm not saying its impossible to make a main villain in a tv show one note with nothing to them but them being evil and that also constantly appears in a show narratively interesting, but a writer that can make that Herculean task work is one in a million. Not to mention that Helluva Boss *is* basically a drama at this point. One note villains work well for comedies (which Helluva boss also is, clearly) but *not* for dramas, and this is already a problem in the show. Stella shines when it comes to the comedic parts of the show but she falls completely flat in the more dramatic parts of the show. Stella is so cartoonishly evil that she's less a character and more a force of nature that's only purpose is to make things terrible for people before being soundly defeated. Which works well enough for Ferngully but not the drama comedy that Helluva Boss is.

However, going back to what Vivziepop said during that interview, Vivziepop had brought up Beatrice Horseman as an example of how getting more insight into a character's own perspective would impact and change our understanding of them, even if they mostly have a one-note personality, and then pretty much said that we can expect that sort of direction for Stella.

I'm thinking... *hoping*, that she means that Stella JUST has a simple personality and a lot of depth everywhere else when it comes to her character. *That* would Stella interesting while having a one note personality. That would make her just like Beatrice Horseman. It would also make her like Azula who I mentioned before, both are cartoonisly evil characters whos depth is linked to their backstory and how their backstory affects their relationships with the characters around them. The way Vivziepop describes what kind of character Stella is really makes it seem like they're going with a "her parents broke a perfectly good child and now Stella is like this" angle. Which makes a lot of sense knowing what we already know about Stella, it would also fit with the "generational trauma" theme

the show has going on.

Problem now is that also would make Stella a *tragic* character like Beatrice and Azula. No one looks at either of those characters now as "horrible people who are were always just like that" nowadays even though pretty much everyone did when their shows first aired. And that's mainly a problem because half the fandom loses their shit if you even think that Stella should have a sympathetic backstory. So that's definitely not going to be a problem on the creators end, but a problem with how people might react to it.

this joke is a work of art

also quality's fixed

edit by u/StrawBerylShortcake because when i tried editing my lap top crashed ^(no joke)

she has enoungh pretty privilege that i would defend her in court for murder

only then will we achieve world peace

ive been getting the vibe that people think via wouldnt want to get married because shes ace

uhhh?

asexual means little to no sexual attraction. she can still fall in love with people.

like did i miss something? was there just some kind of revelation i missed? why would she care? does she even know him?

frankly, the amount of people who say that people who want these things hate women, it is concerns me.

i dont even really know what to even say. the leap in logic is too much for me to comprehend. wanting stella to have some positive traits means im excusing her abuse of stolas? wanting stella to love her child means im babying her? wanting stella to have depth means i cant comprehend a woman being an abuser?

im not going to lie. none of that made any sense. but even though it doesnt make sense its still used to shut down conversations about her. its used to demonize her fans, its used to demonize fans of the show that dont align with her haters. its used to discredit anyone who just wants a little more from stella. i know, its just bad faith criticism, but...

i dont know man, its just not right.

this fandom must be nuked im sorry