r/transgendercirclejerk

New sub for afab people! 

So, I've noticed Reddit lacks a safe space for afabs! Since afab_venting is near empty, all of the major trans, female, and feminist subs have started allowing big, hairy amabs rather than being exclusively for delicate afab transmasc bois such as myself ❤️. We need a space to discuss our shared afabness without the prying ears and eyes of amabs. So, fellow afabs, please join me on r/afab_only 😊!!!

Remember, gender and sex are different! It's really important to have separate gender and sex spaces. Excluding trans ““women”” from an all-female space while including tbois is not transphobic and bioessentialist. After all, everybody knows you can change gender, not sex! I support transfems but I'm so sick of amabs pretending they have the same experiences & struggles as us afabs, like misogyny, assault, infertility, sex and relationship issues, and the joys of having a vagina! We just can't talk about those things in subs crawling with amabs!

Transmasc afabs do belong in afab safe spaces btw, no matter how much you change your body you'll never lose your unique queer afab experiences ❤️! Unlike amabs, we still have periods! We have breasts and wear bras! It's important all of us afabs remember, tbois can have pregnancy scares too! (and we’ll help remind you of that! All! The! Time!)

Trans women can go to amab inclusive spaces with the other biological males! It's important that afabs have a safe space to express our afably feelings! 

And no, this ISN’T a thinly veiled attempt to create a terf hub that Reddit won't ban cause it's couched in inclusive language! Transmascs, tbois, and other valid masculine (afab) women are 100% welcome

Holy shit they're literally obsessed with us. Not this sub, but trans people in general. They talk about trans people so much that it's practically stalker-like behaviour.

Like, they unironically debate, critique, and comment on our own culture and community. They act as if they're allowed to do that, when they aren't. Fact: no trans person gives a shit about a cis person's opinion on our own hyper-specific community discourse. Arguments over stuff like 4tran, transmisogyny, misandry towards trans men, and being "valid" or not is already infuriating to deal with when it's coming from US, who the hell do all these cis people think they are believing they have the authority to talk over us on OUR issues???

Like, what goes through a person's head to make them think "I know I'm not part of this community in any capacity, but my opinion still means something!!" Like, NO??? The fuck? Sorry, cissy, your personal thoughts on whether or not nondisphorics are valid or not literally do not matter because YOU ARE NOT TRANS!!! WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT TRANS ISSUES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US!

Do they think we care? Do all these cis people think we just go, "Y'know, I'm not sure how I feel about this hotly debated topic within the trans community. If only I had a cis person to tell me how they feel about it." WHY DO THEY DO THIS!!! Why can't they just leave us alone? Why does this one fuck off sub feel so strongly about us? What makes the users of CT think their opinions on our own issues actually mean something?

Sorry to break it to you, cissy, but no, I do not care what you think about our own discourse. Yeah, you're right, we do have a lot of infighting. Keyword here being in. Aka, not you. You are not part of our community. We don't care what you think about misandry, or 4tran lingo, or dysphoria, or validity, or nonbinary people, or TME/TMA, or harry potter, or ANYTHING. The literal audacity of someone to see a minority group defined by suffering and then think they have permission to talk all over us with their opinions on OUR ISSUES. What the hell makes you think you have the authority to debate us on our own culture?

It's unironically like, "Silence, tran, a cis person is speaking. Listen and learn." AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DIEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Rant over.

The comments:

Don't you want to undergo the most terrifying experience you could imagine? Don't you want to experience real life body horror?

Pregnancy is such a magical experience! It eats your grey matter, it completely changes your body and makes you feel like shit during and after and maybe even forever! And it also rips you open and then your body makes another lifeform you have to dedicate the rest of your life to and give up your dreams for! And you are guaranteed to be misgendered, as if it couldn't be tramatic enough.

Don't you want that? Huh? Don't you want that?

What? Why are you taking more testosterone with such urgency!?!?! This was supposed to convince you to not transition!!!!

I am so infatuated with my gock! Gock gock gock! Girls with cocks are like angels with wings, without them, they fall from grace! My gock makes women fall to their knees before me, don't you know its amazing?????

Chaser language? What's that? No I'd never fall for online circles that ignore the chaser language that creeps into terminally online transfem spaces, I am embracing my femininity! My gock is part of me and I LOVE OTHER GIRLS GOCKS! PLEASE TALK ABOUT YOUR GOCK! SHOW ME YOUR GOCK PLEASE IM DESPERATE!!! 1!!23!!1!1!2!1!1!!1

/uj I can handle girl-dick/cock but making a portmanteau that is near exclusively used by chasers popular in transfem meme spaces, every single trans inclusive wlw space, and even some people I've met IRL using it? Its so gross. Its almost as bad as when I had a grown ass cis woman refer to my throat as a "ma'adam's apple" and I wanted to scream.

/RJ PLEASE take this gock my identity revolves around infantilization, you can call it a princess wand if you like too :)

Just letting you all know that trans people can be misogynists!

Trans men can be misogynists <3

Trans women can be misogynists <3

Nonbinary people can be misogynists <3

No, this isn't a weird thing to specify. It's important to remember this. It's maybe the most important thing to remember. To be honest, it's weird that you think it's weird. Do you think trans people can't be misogynists? Do you think you're somehow immune? Weirdo

Wow everyone looks at this transgender PERSON i think THEY are so brave for all the hardships THEY face every day, why can't more people respect THEIR preferred pronouns :((((

I mean there's so many animals out there, and you're telling me EVERY trans girl these days is a puppygirl except for a few holdovers from the catgirl era? I refuse to believe it. where are all the other kinds of animalgirls, like climber geckogirls or snakegirls whose bites apply 7 poison or ospreygirls who love seafood or shrikegirls who wear barbed wire chokers and spiked belts or deadeye archer hawkgirls or magpiegirls that hoard junk or froggirls with extendable tongues or salamandergirls who love playing with fire or bioluminescent bobtail squidgirls or giant pacific octopusgirls who wrestle as foreplay or crabgirls that everything will eventually evolve into or jellyfishgirl pillow princesses who literally don't have a brain or darting dragonflygirls or spidergirls who build pillow fortresses or mosquitogirls who drink blood or if you want extinct animals you could go for tyrannosaurgirls who bite or parasaurolophusgirls who can play multiple instruments or tall sauropodgirls with long necks or wriggly diplocaulusgirls or anomalocarisgirls who can and will mercilessly bully you or even if you want to step outside of the animal kingdom altogether you have hivemind sporegirls or parasitic fungigirls or slime moldgirls who are very good at solving mazes. where are they all? where's the trans girl biodiversity?

"But what about trans men?" Oh dw babes, i hate honorary males just as much as real men, i dont discriminate😊✨♥️! Ally btw

What do you mean trans males weren't the ones that bulit and upheld or profited off of patriarchy the same way and amount that cis males are? What do you mean patriarchy doesn't accept trans men as men? Oh silly theyfab tran! Here is a 10yr old post of a conservative man yelling about how much he hates women but likes trans men bc they hate women so much they became men! See, even though he is racist, sexist and homophobic as hell he is still a #Ally and reflects the vast political landscape perfectly!

Oh shut it already theyfab! I dont CARE that you lived your whole life as a woman and faced horrible injustices and sexist treatment every day for 20 years! I dont CARE that you still dont pass and still face sexism every day!!! THE PRIVILEGE IS STORED IN THE HE/HIM PRONOUNS!!! Shut up and stop mansplaining to me! AVERAGE MAN TRYING TO SHUT A WOMAN UP THINKING HE KNOWS BETTER JUST BC HE IS A MAN (i may be an ally but i am a proud missandrist😊! Men are all born biologically evil btw).

"Its really funny how i was talked over, shut up and treated as being stupid all my life because i was percieved as a woman, but as soon as i transitioned to a man and talked about problems specific to me and my community, i get accused of mansplaining and shut up that way. " OH MY GOOOOD I LITERALLY DONT CAREEEEEE. COULD MEN STOP BEING EMOTIONAL ALL THE DAMN TIME??? We might start thinking youre actually still a woman mehehe🥴.

"But what about transmascs? He/him lesbians? Stealth trans men? Non passing trans men? Trans men that dont want to physically transition? How trans men are affected by misogyny and missandry? How BIPOC trans men especially are at risk and constantly shut up in- and outside the trans community? How BIPOC trans men especially get villanized by said rethoric and white feminism? Trans men with vulvas? Trans men regarding reproductive health and abortion?"

Oh my goooood it's not that DEEEEEP! The curtains are just blue and you are just a silly, cunty(🤣) guyyy!!! Stop making me uncomfy talkinb abt ur junk all the time😥!

"What about trans women? Oh they are women, allright! But as soon as they have one leg hair or aren't conventionally attractive, they are predatory men with womb envy, hope this helps!😊"

uj/ if you disagree with what i said or think im spewing harmful rethoric with my talking points unconciously, please educate me, I want to be made aware of that and support my community in any way i can, thank you for your time.

And they continue to act like white men, which is why they are racist. Unlike white women, who are famously not racist at all.

The two options:

1. "I used to be a girl and I still feel an immense connection to girlhood. I feel soooo sad about losing my close female friendships and I know all other trans guys out there feel the same. I actually identify as a lesbian because of how strongly I still identify with womanhood. I like having a boypussy and I show off my massive boytits and boyass in porn. Like, imagine if your guy friend actually had a pussy and you could use it for sex!! My main kink is about misgendering btw.
2. Don't you just hate how many faketranses are out there??? They literally don't even have dysphoria. If they had any, they would automatically want a massive dick from phalloplasty and wouldn't struggle with the recovery from it at all even though it's a massive surgery. Real men have dicks!! Also, nonbinary people aren't real. I don't want to spend a single second around "them", because if I did, no one would take any trans person seriously ever again. Also, sign up for my fitness program, the link is in the description.

/uj This is a very basic bitch post and is obviously full of hyperbole. I sometimes just feel a bit lonely when I feel like the majority of transmascs still feel connected to feminity or GNCness (even in smaller discord servers with friends) and I really don't, but then on the other side of that you get horribly shitty guys lmao.

I'm so tired of these annoying lefties correcting fans for not calling this fictional character non-binary. The author never specified what gender he actually is, therefore his gender is up to the viewer.

Like, sure, the dialogue always uses gender-neutral pronouns and explicitly avoids gendering her at any moment, but this doesn't make her canonically non-binary so it's just a headcanon. At no point in the story does she look at the audience and say "I identify as non-binary", therefore it's not canon. This is how fiction works, you can't expect audiences to understand things based on contextual clues.

And no, I don't apply this standard to other characters. If a character is refered to by she/her pronouns, it's obvious that she's a girl, she doesn't need to explicitly proclaim she is one. This logic only applies to characters who don't fit into the gender binary for some reason.

Anyways, stop ruining the fandom. Just because a character clearly doesn't fit into the gender binary, doesn't mean he's non-binary. Non-binary only happens when the author explicitly explains it to the audience like we're toddlers. And even then I'll just make something up to avoid thinking it's true.

No, it's the trannies who are wrong!

uj/ bit of a hornets nest moment sorry. it's not about "men being feminine", it's about the term and the subculture around "femboys" specifically.

Hello cis people. My FTM flatmate has smartly stockpiled his Evil and Dangerous Testosterone, and has extra he wants to share with his FTM boyfriend, who has never had hormones in his body before.

The FTMfriend is on a waiting list for testosterone which will take one bajillion years, so he should just wait.

I know I will never understand gender dysphoria, but how do I tell them not to do it??? I WILL NOT LET THEM RISK HIS LIFE AND SIT IDLY BY AS IT HAPPENS!!!!! Testosterone WILL kill you without a doctor. I’m afraid they will go behind my back!!! Help!!!!

No I have not considered minding my own business. Thank you normals

How can you say I hold any particular animosity towards trans men? You're just men to me!

When you vent about your height dysphoria, I get the ick. Incels talk about height like it's a major marginalization. So when I ignore that you're trans, it sounds like an incel talking!

When you express alienation from other queer men because of the unchecked transphobia in their spaces, I see through your male manipulation! Thought you could wokewash your entitlement to sex huh bro?

Yes I can be hypervigilant around you, but it's because you're a man not because you're a trans man. Your transness is *literally* invisible to me, I thought that's what you wanted?

You must choose one of these 6 perspectives to defend:

1. Misandry isn't real, which means trans men have male privilege and are evil

2. Misandry isn't real, but trans men are basically women, so they don't have male privilege

3. Misandry is real, and trans women are its biggest perpetrators, since they're women

4. Misandry is real, and trans women are its biggest victims, since they're basically men

(WARNING: ENTERING NUANCE ZONE)

5. Misandry isn't real, but androphobia is. There is no difference, but using that word instead makes you woke

6. Misandry is real, and the existence of the term "androphobia" proves it

Those are all of the options. I've heard people complaining about the lack of nuance, so even though nuance is lame and boring, I added in options 5 and 6, though of course you could always just use one of the previous arguments and claim that it's nuance!

Now, some definitions!

Misandry: anything that negatively affects men

MRA/incel: people who believe in misandry. Might be slurs depending on who you ask

TERF: people who don't believe in misandry. Might be a slur depending on who you ask.

Transmisogyny/transmisandry: normal misogyny or misandry that affects a trans person

Transandrophobia: the cowards' word for transmisandry

Now you've got all the tools to discuss this very complex topic with the level of caution and nuance it deserves: None! So get out there and debate the nature of trans oppression!