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An employment tribunal has ruled partially in favour of Amrit Bansal-McNulty, a half-Indian footballer who was called a 'curry muncher' by ex-manager John Yems. 

Bansal-McNulty sued QPR for failing to safeguard him from the racism he suffered on loan at Crawley Town and is now seeking a £12million payout.

The case has been heard over 30 days at the London Employment Tribunal, where the 26-year-old brought claims of direct race and religious discrimination and harassment against QPR, Crawley Town and Yems.

Three of the claims of harassment on the grounds of race against Yems, 66, were upheld, but the claims against QPR were dismissed.

One of the allegations upheld involved Yems calling Bansal-McNulty a 'curry muncher' and asking if he was unhappy that pizzas given by a sponsor did not include ‘curry pizza’.

The tribunal said Yems argued that his remarks were 'banter'.  

In summary of the case, the tribunal stated: 'We found that Crawley Town was vicariously liable for his conduct which was in the course of his employment. The claims against QPR failed.

'The Claimant is seeking circa £12 million compensation as he claims that he suffered psychiatric, and career ending, injury because of the treatment which he had suffered.

'It would be inappropriate to comment on the implications of the liability judgment given the likelihood of a remedy hearing.'

Bansal-McNulty, who joined QPR in 2014 aged 14 and left in 2022 without playing for the first team, had accused the club and then-manager Chris Ramsey of failing to act on his racism complaint while on loan from his parent club. Both Ramsey and QPR denied wrongdoing.

Crawley suspended Yems after allegations of racist behaviour were made by several squad members in April 2022, which led to him being charged by the FA for using discriminatory language.

Yems denied all but one of the charges, but 11 out of the 15 were upheld by the FA disciplinary commission.

He was given the longest ever ban for discrimination in English football when an initial 17-month suspension was extended to three years following an FA appeal.

Ramsey phoned Bansal-McNulty that day, reported Matt Hughes at the time.

The player alleges Ramsey was preoccupied by attempting to ascertain whether he had leaked the story in a line of questioning he found to be intimidating, as well as reminding him that his contract was due to expire two months later.

Bansal-McNulty’s deal was not renewed and he has not played professionally since.

In an unrelated development after the accusations were made, Ramsey, who was previously awarded an MBE for services to diversity in sport, left his role as technical director after nine years at Loftus Road following a review of the club’s academy structure.

In its final observations, the tribunal noted: 'Unfortunately there are no real winners in this case. Whilst the Claimant has been partially successful in his claims against Mr Yems, and vicariously Crawley Town, his claims against QPR have failed.

'Mr Yems has not, and realistically was never going to, obtain the exoneration of his conduct and character he was seeking.'

Do you believe it has increased in the right, due to cultural differences and recent immigration?

Do you believe it has increased in the left too, maybe due to H-1b visas?

For the people who don't know, the main lead from Wuthering Heights a very famous English novel is supposed to be a Lascar (British Indian sailor) or a descendant of Lascars. But guess what they did? they made him a white guy and no one is talking about it. When they race swapped The Little Mermaid to Black which doesn't even make sense considering Mermaids/Sirens are mythical creatures and they can't be assigned a race so them white or black doesn't matter, all the people were outraged because mermaids are supposedly "white" and crying diversity, etc.

What are your thoughts? I for one think it was done on purpose to keep South Asian men down.

The whole ‘Indians deserve racism because of caste’ argument makes no sense. Caste discrimination is absolutely real, and even though the gov abolished caste-based discrimination and system India has had affirmative action policies for decades, the problem still exists in society. But by that logic, do Arabs or Brazilians ‘deserve’ racism because slavery existed there? Of course not. Holding ordinary people collectively responsible to justify racism is ridiculous.

I remember when Zarna Garg came out as a supporter of the orange buffoon, and suddenly the whole conversation turned into, ‘Is this because of caste?’ WTF. At this point, some people can’t think beyond caste whenever India is mentioned. They’re just running out of excuses to be racist toward us.

Why do some upper-class Indians put America and European countries on a pedestal? I mean, yeah, these are old-money nations that benefited heavily from colonialism and exploitation. I get that it’s natural to be impressed by the West, but do people forget what many of these countries did to become wealthy and powerful in the first place?

Also, some of them seem to believe everything their white friends tell them, including claims that India is somehow the most racist country in the world and other nonsense, while completely ignoring their racism, colonial history, and discrimination that exist in Western countries too.

The fact that most Indians aren’t angry about this is why we can never rise as a race. The Indian race is always low crime yet gets lumped into spaces with North Africans arabs and others as a high crime committing rate despite stats in every western country saying the same . Even in Canada where they cry the most . We are literally just working jobs and getting insane amount of hate . White ppl killed and ate people and no one bats an eye

moved to Ireland three years ago when I was 16, and I’m 19 now. Over time, I’ve felt that anti-Indian sentiment has increased, at least from my personal experience. I often hear people describe Ireland as very welcoming, but that hasn’t always matched what I’ve experienced.

I’ve had incidents like teens spitting at me, and I’ve heard people openly say they don’t like Indians. In school (I’m still in sixth year), there have been comments made loudly enough for others to hear. My younger sister has had similar experiences, and it often comes in the form of “jokes” or subtle remarks that build up over time. It’s tiring to deal with.

I don’t plan on staying here long-term. I’m considering moving back to India with my dad next year, while my mom may stay a bit longer before eventually returning as well.

I understand that these experiences may not seem extreme compared to physical violence, but for someone who has already dealt with body image issues, social anxiety, and depression, it does have a real impact. It’s made things harder for me personally.

I also think there’s a disconnect between online narratives and reality. If you read certain posts online, it can seem like Indians are everywhere in Ireland, but in my case, I’m one of only two Indians in my school.

I’m not trying to generalize everyone — I’ve met good people too — but these experiences have shaped how I feel about living here, and they’re a big reason why I don’t see myself staying long-term.

Starting today, we will not be allowing: Random screenshots, racist memes, cross posts from subreddits where the comments are being racist.

All of the above is to be redirected to r/RacismAgainstIndians

r/RacismAgainstIndians will be used to document ONLINE racism and the normalization of it. Feel free to post whatever rage bait you want as long it doesn't break any of Reddit's TOS. For the first few months we will allow you to post there then cross post it here so r/RacismAgainstIndians gains a bit of traction and becomes a subreddit of it's own with it's own objective.

The same way r/Indophobia will be used to document REAL LIFE cases and Hate CRIMES. Again, feel free to post whatever, no matter how old. Same as a r/RacismAgainstIndians we will allow a few months of cross posts from r/Indophobia till it becomes a subreddit of it's own.

I repeat we will only allow cross posts from these two subreddits.

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A thing I keep noticing whenever racist mocking of India gets called out is the number of brown sepoys rushing in to defend it by saying things like:

“They’re just showing the truth.”
“If we don’t change, people will keep mocking us.”

I think this completely misses the point. Yes, racists often take real examples poverty, poor sanitation, overcrowding, etc. My question is what exactly is the practical solution people expect here? India still has 200–300 million people living in extreme or near extreme poverty. You cannot magically lift hundreds of millions of people into middle class living standards overnight. Economic development is a slow historical process. Even with strong growth, large countries improve gradually over decades not in a few years. There is no magic solution here.

Economic growth is already happening at a decent pace by historical standards. Infrastructure, literacy, sanitation, and income levels have improved significantly compared to previous generations. But expecting India to suddenly become a developed country is detached from economic reality.

Sepoys completely ignore the progress being made and refuse to accept the reality that economic growth takes time. Whether you like it or hate it growth is only going to happen gradually. So no matter how much you "show truth" or mock poverty it ain't gonna go away any sooner.

so i have been thinking about it quite a while and have myself experienced it, we Indians lack soft power and mainly because of our popculture like if you look at the movies from past 20 years most of them are just not good enough to get global audience even decades ago legendary satyajeet rai said that we have a backward audience. In most movies what we see? item songs, same shitty love story, etc. while if we look at japanese anime, kpop, american movies, chinese video games are just next level. we indian needs to do something about our pop culture and needs to max out atleast one segment of it. The cultural effect of pop culture is just alot. We lack sophisticated consumers.

So I was recently playing Death Stranding 2 and was surprised with a cameo of Rajamouli, the famous Indian director. Now the representation itself was neither positive or negative but it was a nice easter egg for people already aware of Rajamouli.

Kojima the creator of Death Stranding is Japanese, and as we know the Japanese seem to have a neutral to slightly positive view of India. Don't let the larpers and expats on X in Japan fool you. They are xenophobic, but they don't and won't single out races like Americans and Canadians do.

Then we have HouseMarque, a Finnish(Not Anglo) development studio who chose an Indian as an MC for their AAA Game. A positive representation despite Finland having no visible population of Indians.

Now on to, Americans, Canadians and Anglos in generals. They have always had a disdain for dark skin, after slavery was abolished and racism against black people was taken seriously. They moved on the next darkest group, Indians and Arabs. Indians however, unlike Arabs are not rich, they don't got that oil money and Arabs weren't enslaved and colonized for centuries so their psyche doesn't have an inbuilt servile inferiority complex like Indians do. Not to mention Arabs are more "confrontational". Hell, more Indians were/are targeted and hate crimed against after being misidentified as Arabs.

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So the Arabs were a no go, which means the Anglos had to choose the Indians, emasculating the men and fetishizing the women like they do with every race, projecting and assigning their own negative stereotypes on other races. With Indians they started with the nerdy stereotype, harmless but desexualized. This was when there were very few Indians in NA. When the population grew, the stereotypes become more harmful, rapists, invaders, poop eating demon worshippers, etc.

Now do you really think, a people who have an inherent dislike for dark skin, and a history of subjugating them and now is forced to tolerate one of them(Black people) would make the same mistake with Indians? hell no! Anglos have Schadenfreude built into their systems, they need someone to look down on. Like a toy which is abused for pleasure by a child or a child who is picked on by everyone in class. So they went on to dehumanize Indians as much as possible with the end goal of turning us into a global bottom caste, a global punching bag, they do this by killing any and all empathy felt for all, men, women or children. And as a fail safe mechanism they created "concern trolling" justifications to be used in case they were called out. Justifications like the caste system, Indians being misogynist, etc. We are already seeing this right now, the people all around the world who have never interacted with an Indian joining in to hate on us, liberals and social justice warriors being quiet? and sometimes even joining in? why? because we are not sympathizable? they don't see us as humans, they feel more empathy for animals than they do for us. They don't get virtue signaling points for defending us, and it doesn't satisfy their messiah complex.

So yeah, even though it is the Anglo right wing that has made the world hate us, the left is equally to blame for staying silent and being complacent. When one side hates you, and the other is indifferent leaning towards dislike, don't expect positive representation from them.

We can only hope for positive representation from non Anglo countries, or create our softpower. On the bright side, the future looks good from what I understand Indian media houses are trying to cater to a global audience, Punjabi music is becoming popular, etc.

Read that thread and they're complaining about how reddit supposedly doesn't let them make racist generalizations about Indians. Like bruh, are we on the same Reddit? Even in the most liberal and left leaning subs you will see people openly calling Indians "subhuman", "street-shitters", "scammers", etc with no repercussions and hundreds of upvotes.

And by the way, I'm not a fan of the Blind app either. I just found this particular comment to be ridiculous.

We’ve all seen it. Whether it's on X (Twitter), Instagram, or Reddit, the amount of vitriol directed toward India lately feels unprecedented. It has become "trendy" to be racist toward Indians, and it’s time we address the mechanics behind this hate and how we, as a community, are reacting to it.

1. The Hypocrisy of Selective Outrage

Every country has a "bad side." Global news is filled with stories of public crises in developed nations—from the drug epidemics and homelessness in major Western cities to rising crime rates and public indecency elsewhere.

Yet, when something happens in India, it’s used to brand 1.4 billion people. Why are we the only ones held to a standard of "collective guilt" for the actions of a few?

2. The Misinformation Machine

A significant portion of the "rage bait" we see online is:

Fabricated or Outdated: Clips from years ago or from different contexts are reshared to fit a specific narrative.

The Identity Crisis: We’ve seen numerous instances where individuals from other South Asian countries are arrested for crimes abroad and claim to be Indian, or where social media trolls pose as Indians to spread internal discord.

The internet is being flooded with "convenient" narratives designed to make India look like a monolith of chaos, and many are falling for it.

3. The "I’m Sorry" Inferiority Complex

Perhaps the most heartbreaking part is seeing Indians in the comments sections saying, "As an Indian, I’m sorry," or "We deserve the hate, our country is terrible." Stop. You do not owe the world an apology for existing. This inferiority complex only emboldens racists. When you validate their hate, you aren't being "one of the good ones"—you’re just giving them more ammunition to use against your own brothers and sisters. This constant negativity is breaking the confidence of our youth and making people feel ashamed of their identity.

4. Stop the Internal Finger-Pointing

Racists don't care if you are from South India, North India, Bihar, or the North East. To them, we are all the same.

When we spend our time fighting internally—mocking specific states or regional cultures—we are doing the racists' work for them. Remember how the British used "Divide and Rule" to keep us subjugated for centuries? We are falling for the same trap again.

5. Where is the Protection?

It’s also time to acknowledge that our own institutions and the Govt have been slow to counter these organized hate campaigns. While other countries are quick to flag or take down content that disparages their citizens at a mass scale, India’s digital presence feels like an open season for trolls.

How do we fight back?

Stop Giving Them Engagement: Don't argue with "bot" accounts or blatant racists. Your reply only boosts their post in the algorithm.

Report and Block: Use the tools available to flag genuine hate speech and misinformation.

Unite: We must be proud of our flaws and our progress. Our freedom fighters didn't sacrifice their lives so we could grow up feeling "insecure" about our heritage.

Our country isn't perfect—no country is—but it is ours. Unity is our only real strength.

Jai Hind.

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I'm not against India being criticized, but whether knowingly or unknowingly to the critic, when Indians criticize their own country/people in spaces that are not predominantly populated by us, it allows racist people to go mask off. If you check the comments on the post, only a few are focused on sympathizing with the individual venting while most are fixated on attacking Indian immigrants collectively. They mostly consisted of purporting the usual anti-Indian drivel such as "the majority of Indians are unhygienic" and that "they can't integrate into Western societies". One commenter even laughably said that Canadian subreddits are "too liberal" and are "scared of being called racist", claiming that they are in support of mass migration from India, when obviously if you visit any Canadian subreddit and type the word "Indian" into the search bar, you'll see that the opposite is true. Like I said, I'm not opposed to India/Indians being criticized, some of these points do have a level of truth to them (but all of them are clearly exaggerated due to the OP literally venting and being in a negative emotional state), however, engaging in this criticism in primarily non-Indian spaces just opens the floodgates for racism rather than forming a constructive environment to foster genuine discussion about these issues that affect our community. These rants do nothing to actually solve the issues mentioned and solely work to validate the negative predispositions people have towards Indians.