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Since Zaza was revealed, I've been wondering about the possibility that it could have drowned the world.

If I understood right, Zaza is not the onomatopea for simple rain, but for heavy rain. This nuance made me wonder about the extent of Zaza's power.

The Celestial Dragons also seem afraid of rain in a way, since they live at the highest point, above the clouds. It could also mean they want to be the ones above everything too, but I like the idea that they are fleeing rain as much as they can because they're afraid of being drowned. I always thought their bubble looked like diving gear more than anything else. Maybe their bubble is there to prevent them from drowning? We're told it's basically because they don't want to breathe the air of the lower people, but what if its "true" meaning is lost or kept from them since the Void century?

More far fetched but I like the idea : there also were mentions before of a God of the Sea, but not of the Rain I believe. Maybe Zaza's godhood role changed if they drowned the world? If Zaza's rain became most of the sea, it would make sense it would become a God of the Sea after it changed the landscape of the world with its power. Its apocalyptical power could also have lead those who censored the Void century to erase its name and power from public knowledge tho, just like Nika was erased, even tho Elbaf still worships him.

We don't know yet if Joyboy is Nika, or an embodiment of him like Luffy. But what is known is that everybody that knew Joyboy recognize Luffy as him when he's in his Nika form.

That lead me to wonder if Nefertari D Lili was also Zaza or an embodiment of it. Maybe Joyboy's mentioned crime is not only his own, but Lili's (and somehow Zunesha's) too and for some reason they ended up drowning the world?

Luffy coating his fist with lightning against Sommers, Luffy straight up using lightnings and Loki being able to do lightning attacks.

On top of us knowing that a metal heart is what enables inmortality, it just makes sense.

What do y'all think?

In my opinion, the mural represents the past and future of One Piece.

What happened in the past will be repeated, but this time with the Joy Boy's victory and Imu-sama's defeat.

Based on my analysis of the mural, I found that Imu-sama appeared twice.

Once, he was on the far left, and the other time, he was above Zunesha (Nefertari D. Lili). This means that the image of Imu-sama above Zunesha (Nefertari D. Lili) represents an agreement with her to defeat the Joy Boy and his allies.

As One Piece fans, we know that the Alabasta Kingdom, led by Nefertari D. Lili, was among the kingdoms that helped defeat the Joy Boy.

I believe that Nefertari D. Lili betrayed the Joy Boy and his allies and regretted it.

That's why she later helped spread the Poneglyphs. The mural depicted Zunesha and a crowned woman at the top.

The woman represents Queen Nefertari D. Lili.

In the past, she betrayed the Joy-Boy and her allies.

Zunesha is this same woman.

She was later cursed for choosing to stand against Imu-sama, and she will later contribute to Luffy's victory over Imu-sama.

How did Nefertari D. Lili transform into Zunesha, given that Zunesha is over a thousand years old, predating the Void Century?

When a Devil Fruit user dies, the fruit's power is transferred to the nearest Devil Fruit user.

Therefore, I expect it's similar to the story of the curse.

When people are cursed, they transform into the nearest animal to them.

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Blackbeard has the mythical Zoan model kraken fruit, and has had it since he was a young boy.

Devil fruits "devils" or "powers" are stored within the heart upon consumption

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a devil fruit ability can be rebirthed or stolen with these 2 rebirth mechanics, 1: when a devil fruit user dies, in time the devil fruit that the person ate gets recycled and transforms THE NEAREST APPLICABLE "ordinary" fruit. (Aka the fruit its based from, some are bananas, apples, oranges. You get the idea. Its always the same) Into the new devil fruit. Or, 2: you cannibalize the previous devil fruit users HEART.

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Aquatic devil fruits DO exist, but are in a sort of Grey area. No fruits directly are full fledged sea creatures like sharks, fish, etc etc, atleast from what ive seen.

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BLACKBEARDS LIFE AND OVERALL PLAN. AND REASONS I HAVE TO BELIEVE THIS THEORY

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none of this is actually confirmed so for term sake ill just say this is my headcanon, but this still isnt based in complete BS, so confirmed or not it has some legitamacy. but just adopt my bias for a sec and let me take you for a ride.

Blackbeard as xebecs child (possibly even xebec himself, but thats a whole nother can of worms) has adopted xebecs ideology and plans on carrying forth his father's will, and achieving what xebec fell short on and was unable to.

Alot of the information about his childhood is uncertain, but at a VERY YOUNG AGE, he definitely had access to advanced research material or probably information taught through word of mouth about the "secret" or truth behind devil fruits, haki, the WG, etc etc.

He is extremely knowledgable from a young age on every subject beneficial to being a pirate.

at some point throughout his early childhood he managed to consume the mythical Zoan, kraken fruit. Whether he came across the fruit by pure happenstance, or more likely if he was given it from god valley, its unclear. ( but im guessing he ate it BEFORE he began education, so that way he planned everything around specifically the kraken fruit he already had.) With this knowledge he deduced that the best possible fruit combination blackbeard needed to achieve his goals were the dark fruit, and the quake fruit. Why those fruits you ask?

Here's why, the kraken fruits main powers is, biologically having abnormal sleep cycles (octopus sleep little to none, and its known that zoans underlying primal traits can appear in their user, so that adds up with blackbeards behavior) a body with 3 hearts (which means 3 devil fruit slots) increased strength and endurance, a gigantic zoan form with 8 suction tentacles, and the ability to shoot out pitch black ink clouds to block out sunlight and visibility.

And what are the fruits he chose?

The dark fruit, which is pretty much one of, if not THE BEST LOGIA FRUITS THAT EXIST, it has the ability to create abyss black holes that consume anything and everything, the ability to NULLIFY others devil fruit powers, and the ability to gravity pull (aka magnetise) someone towards you.

But all these insanely broken powers come with one extremely debilitating, CONSTANTLY PRESENT downside. And thats his logias element weakness. Like crocodile to water, light is the weakness of the dark fruit, its always active, probably even during night (since the moon is just reflecting sunlight) and its CONSTANTLY suppressing his logia, even to the point where even blackbeards normal dark attacks are probably being weakened and cant be used to their full potential, not to mention THE MAIN PROBLEM THIS WEAKNESS CAUSES! He cant even go intangible?!?! So much so that luffy can suckerpunch this guy without haki. Blackbeards yami fruit is CONSTANTLY being crippled. (Thats probably why it hurts like a bitch every time hes hit)

So blackbeards yami is probably the best logia in one piece with a glaring weakness. One that the kraken fruit perfectly has the solution for, the KRAKEN INK CLOUDS TO BLOCK OUT THE LIGHT! Thats why blackbeard probably wanted this logia so bad. This seems like a perfect combination as the kraken thrives in the dark abyss, and has the ink ability to create the ideal environment for battle combined with the yami fruit. And dont forget the kraken has SUCTION TENTACLES! You know what that pairs well with? Gravity pulling someone towards you like a magnet!

And we haven't even gotten to the quake fruit, this reason isnt as complicated but still the best pick for him, so far he has a "mythical Zoan, and a logia" and what better paramecia to add than whats known as "the most strong paramecia in one piece with the power to destroy the world"

and its not like the quake conflicts with his other fruits either, it actually works perfectly, its already the most destructive pick, and what do we always see when people use the quake fruit? They use their arms! So imagine having 8 arms to slam quakes with, with the ability to gravity pull someone in close range, and with the ability TO SUCTION RESTRAIN THEM SO THEY CANT ESCAPE😂

And we know that blackbeard is capable of fully disabling a person's DF ability when he comes in direct contact with touching them, if he has tentacles and suction he can literally subdue any one and pulverise them with quake

this is genuinely the strongest combo in one piece ever, and This is probably why his fighting style with these 2 fruits alone currently looks so uncomfortable and shitty like hes missing a crucial puzzle piece right in the middle between them

If his logia cant even function fully in normal meager sunlight. How else will he overcome the SUN GOD

Blackbeard is a strategist and always plans ahead, aswell as never taking fights he knows he cant 100% win, which makes no sense if sometimes his fights "seem" closer than they actually are, almost like hes acting. whether this is to keep expectations low and have people underestimate him, or its so he doesnt put himself in any dangerous situations to avoid the risk of his zoan form slipping out, i dont know. But he would never take a fight unless the cards are heavily stacked in his favor.

And if youre wondering "if blackbeard wanted to keep his ability to use multiple fruits hidden why did he reveal his 2nd fruit quake to the world?" My guess is for status, influence and recognition, more people become aware of his crew and possibly collaborate or join blackbeard, also increases the eyes the world government/marines has on him with higher bounty more titles. I mean Blackbeards crew literally said it themselves "ready for the show?" this was a big theatrical display he was gonna put on, not just steal the fruit and slink away. Because blackbeard was still considered a nobody he planned to gain All this Without actually revealing the ace up his sleeve the kraken.

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Why i have reason to believe blackbeard has had this kraken fruit basically his whole life? Not much to go off of but heres what we know.

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There have been Mentions by characters about blackbeard seemingly "never have slept in his life" which directly correlates to real octopus biology, with octopus having sleep habits where they need appearingly LITTLE TO NONE spread over time in tiny increments. (Keep in mind this mention is also at a relatively young point in blackbeards life, where he was on whitebeards crew, but not even close to eating the dark fruit yet)

theres also the tease from ODA with blackbeards flag that could symbolize the kraken. A Flag with 3 skull 8 bone "the 3 hearts and 8 tentacles" (its 4 whole bones if you wanna be specific but it clearly appears as 8 and seems awfully deliberate under the guise of it being a octopus. More evidence to support this if you wanna be nitpicky that its 4 bones, is that blackbeards birthday is August 3 aka 08/03 8 tentacles. 3 hearts.

There's also the mentions by marco (whitebeards ship doctor) of speculation about blackbeard teach's, apparently "strange abnormal body" and if thats the secret behind him having multiple fruits. ( which would make sense as blackbeard probably had an abnormal blood pressure and heartrate from the 3 hearts, aswell as other small trace biological traits from him possessing the kraken zoan, (its WELL KNOWN IN ONE PIECE, that underlying zoan primal physical and psychological traits can develop in their users, even in their normal human form), the strange sleep habits teach appears to have, and also his lineage that likely lead to increased durability, strength, among other things)

There's also another potential small tease in the Manga when blackbeard unveils the tarp after he stole whitebeards quake and shows off the power, a marine says "thats Impossible to have 2 devil fruit powers!" And the marine who said that right after blackbeards showcase.... just happens..... to be wearing an octopus on his head!😂

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Why i have reason to believe that devil fruits are stored in the heart and fruit recycling can be either through nearby normal fruit or cannibalizing the heart.

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We know that cannabilizing a person with a devil fruit power can pass on the devil fruit ability as a fact, this was seen when big mom ate mother carmel WHOLE and stole the soul fruit from her, but its unclear which organ houses the fruit as big mom ate carmels entire body.

Then following up, at marineford we see whitebeard with no visible gashes or openings besides a giant hole in his chest get covered with the tarp, then blackbeard unveils with the quake ability stolen. And whitebeard looks visibly the exact same, no new wounds or openings whatsoever. That knocks it down to the devil fruit power being housed SOMEWHERE IN THE CHEST CAVITY! As the brain and elsewhere wouldnt have been possible to access. And it seems pretty obvious and likely that the giant caved in hole perfectly placed at the location of his heart is probably the organ were looking for. And if you need more evidence, remember vegapunks seraphim? They were able to use devil fruit powers from ARTIFICAL GREEN BLOOD THEY MADE! And just wanna clarify, cannibalizing the heart in no way bypasses the natural fruit limit its just a shortcut to eating a devil fruit itself but functionally the same. What this evidence does do however is reinforce the kraken theory, as again, octopus have 3 hearts, which perfectly correlates to the fruits being sourced in the heart and makes sense as the heart is what houses and pumps blood throughout the body.

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Why i have reason to believe aquatic zoans DO EXIST in a Grey area as not any full swimming sea creatures zoans have been found like sharks or something.

Fish fish mythical Zoan model Azure dragon

Rako rako no mi (sea otter zoan fruit)

Salamander salamander zoan model axolotyl.

Salamanders are semi aquatic creatures but still need water to stay in to survive.

Axolotyls are FULLY aquatic creatures, and will DIE outside of water

Fish are FULLY aquatic creatures and will DIE outside of water.

Also wanna clarify i am in no way saying that blackbeards kraken fruit will allow him to defy all devil fruit laws and swim. It didnt allow any of the other aquatic creature zoans to swim and the kraken certainly wont bypass this downside either. Octopus dont even swim, SQUIDS SWIM! Octopus crawl with their tentacles.

I also wanna clarify if were seeing blackbeard with the kraken fruit, him using it on land wouldnt be like a fuckin immobile beached whale. Just as we've seen with the AXOLOTYL (FULLY AQUATIC CREATURE) they fare on land fine.

Random notes too tired to implement

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The type of crew BB has, is similar to xebec, powerful members for one goal, the style they have is also blackbeard leveraging his knowledge to fulfill a niche, they are powerful devil fruit hunters where they either keep the devil fruit for themselves for a crewmate to eat, or they sell it.

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Cereberus fruit is currently taken. And wouldnt work as a last fruit anyway, the theory only functions if blackbeard got his zoan FIRST

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"Its not he its they" this translation pulled straight from the japanese manga is a misunderstanding, they didnt mean the pronouns they, zoro and luffy were referring to blackbeards crew and meant "its not just one / hes not alone"

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The dark fruit isnt a false name secret fruit, its a normal logia, oda wouldnt ripoff the luffy reveal with a copy paste of the exact same thing, and so far there has been no hints to suggest that and it functions as a normal logia.

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I dont believe the source of blackbeards multiple fruit is from the dark fruit, that doesnt explain all the other speculation and reasons to believe something else is behind his multiple fruits, aswell as the fact, if the "3" meant nothing and it truly was the dark fruit. BLACKBEARD WOULD GET WAY MORE DEVIL FRUIT ABILITIES THAN FUCKIN 2.

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Blackbeard didnt feed the fruit to his ring, you can only feed objects ZOAN FRUITS! As zoan fruits have their own will and are capable of activating their ability independent of outside forces. You cant feed an object any other fruit type but zoan.

And for anybody thinking that devil fruits are actually held in the "soul" in punk hazard law swapped Franky into choppers body, and Franky could still use rumble balls and switch zoan forms, and tashigi got swapped into smokers body and could still use the logia.

And for anybody suggesting shadows, luffy in thriller bark got multiple shadows in his body and didnt get any other devil fruit powers, and gecko moria GOT EVEN MORE SHADOWS in his body and didnt get any devil fruit powers.

If the ability to have multiple fruits was dependent on the yami dark fruit, that wouldnt explain all the character and body traits BB had prior to the yami that is leading to why he can use multiple fruits.

Octopus tentacles each have their own brains

Octopus has a denser nervous system which could explain the increased pain he feels as his body has SEVERAL functional neuron clusters (brains) for limbs sending nerve signals

Each limb has fully functional semi brains that can operate on their own, octopus can also fully regrow cut off limbs/tentacles. He already has the most destructive paramecia in the world, so much so that he has to be careful where he uses it as he can fucking sink entire islands if he wants to, imagine him laying out multiple ripped off tentacles everywhere or even keeping them attached and using the quake. This combination is completely perfect for eachother and genuinely gives him the power to defeat imu, decimate marie jois or more and become the most powerful person in the world.

Title says it all. I've always been a proponent of the theory that the reason Nami shares the exact same face as Vivi, Shirahoshi, and Rebecca is that it's foreshadowing that she's also a princess. And considering her main character trait is that she's supernaturally good at predicting the weather and literally creates rain as her main ability, I think her connection to Zaza might as well be confirmed. She definitely has a connection to Zaza but she obviously doesn't have the DF so her being a descendant makes the most sense.

Personally my theory is that Nami is either a descendant of Zaza from back when the gods were real, or a descendant of the DF user of the Zaza fruit during the Void Century that was probably kept in the royal family. I think the destruction of Nami's homeland might have something to do with Dragon getting the Zaza fruit if it does end up being true that he has it (which I'm not 100% convinced about)

In the chapter where the Straw Hat crew reunites after their two years of training, someone was flirting with Nami. However, Nami said she was waiting for a man. In another chapter, Nami told Luffy, "You're a man after all." To be honest, I saw this comment from a friend who admires Lunami's relationship.

The question is, when will Luffy realize his feelings for Nami?

It's because he couldn't. That is why I think Dragon is NOT the user of "rain god" devil fruit. He's the user of "wind god" devil fruit, inspired by The Feathered Serpent from Aztec/Maya mythology. In Aztec mythology, the Feathered Serpent ("wind god") is said to be the guide and sweeper of road for the "rain gods". So Dragon is not the "rain god" user himself. It was someone else who was also there in Loguetown, around the same time as Dragon, as the actual "rain god" user. In the manga, the sound effect of rain is used similarly with how Zaza appears. I'm speculating that person was also the one creating thunder that hit Buggy. They was also the one helping the Straw Hats sail to Reverse Mountain.

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If this report is true, then I think the One Piece could be the music of the world.

Between Nika and his own soundtrack, WCI being heavily musical themed - let's not forget that Big Mom had a road poneglyph and was trying to use Pudding, someone Blackbeard currently has (so we know she will be important at some point) - Imu having his own sound track that is like an evil version of Nika's but with Big Mom's Homi (a power based on souls) styling to it, and now Zaza being another god named after the sound of the music that represents them, I think Oda is drawing heavy parallels here.

Brook is a musician - and another character with soul based powers - and sings Bink's Brew alot. The Straw Hats always party with music everytime they win and leave an island. Its been heavily theorized Luffy wants to have one big party at the end of his journey, and even Onigashima raid was centered around basically one giant music festival.

So maybe the reason Roger laughed, is because he was witnessing this music.

I also saw someone make a comparison to Lord of the Rings, and I thought this was fascinating.

In Tolkien's Legendarium, Eru Illuvitar and the Valar sung the music of Ainur. However, one of the biggest Valar, Melkor, did not want to. He wanted to create his own and find the flame Imperishable to overpower Eru. He could now, however, as the flame existed within Eru. So, Melkor sowed discord within the song instead, and this discord is what led to corruption and evil existing within Arda - as evil cannot create, it can only corrupt.

What if the gods from the 2nd or the 1st world sung their own song of Ainur, and Imu was Melkor, he wanted the flame imperishable (the Mother flame) to conquer the world, but could not, so instead using his devil fruit, he sowed a discord into the song and corrupted the world via his Domi Reversi / Holy Knight sigils and subsequently the Celestial Dragons and World Government. He couldnt create, so he instead corrupted, and the One Piece is that original song of joy and happiness that existed before Imu did what he did.

Not a perfect theory as this is off the top of my head and not something I sat on for days or something, so I know it's definitely flawed, but I thought it could be interesting.

Based on my experience with anime and manga, all signs point to Luffy and Nami's romance being officially revealed to fans at the end of the Elbaph arc, at least according to my prediction.

How will Lunami's haters react?

It's well known that Boa Hancock's fans dislike Lunami's relationship. This isn't limited to them; fans of Sanji and Nami's relationship also dislike it. And we shouldn't forget those who believe Nami doesn't think romantically about men.

In my opinion, revealing Lunami's relationship will be met with intense anger and accusations that Oda lied because of his previous statement, even though Oda has been hinting at this relationship since the beginning of the story, both in the manga and the movies.

I've watched a lot of anime and read a lot of manga that contain many romance stories. In my opinion, Oda is a fantastic writer of romance, and I think he's one of the best in this genre.

In the relationship between Luffy and Nami, Oda shows many differences between the two, but despite this, he also shows how well they get along and Nami's ability to accept Luffy's reckless actions. Nami knows Luffy very well and is interested in the smallest details about him.

The same applies to the relationship between Zoro and Perona. Perona initially mocked and criticized Zoro, but over time she felt obligated to help him when he was lost and to feed and heal him when he was injured.

The same also applies to the relationship between Sanji and Pudding.

Luffy and Nami: A relationship between a pirate and a navigator.

Zoro and Perona: A relationship between a lost person and the girl who shows him the way.

Sanji and Pudding: A relationship between a cook and his assistant.

i theorize that at the end of the first war joy boy got domi reversied by imu. wich is how he lost. now we know that nika is known by god of laughing, god of liberation. but actually some giant see him as the god of war, or god of destruction. this would explain why some of the giant kids was afraid of him, when killingham pulled out a nika from the kids nightmares we can see how much darker this nika is compared to normal nika. also the sharp teeth. kinda look like a domi reversied nika. this image of nika has also been presrved in the culture, wich is why there is two diffrent iterations of him.

when somone gets domi reversied they grow drasticaly in size. including clothes and wepons. because of the emeth flashbacks i believe he was already pretty tall. like doffy or whitebeard. beacuse i think he was still a human just massive. and then grew to giant size cuz of DR. it would explain the giant sized straw hat at marie J. that would be the only explanation for what it is for now. beacuse we know its important, why would they lock it up then???

VIVI: We just crossed the Sandora River,
and docked here at the green city, Elumalu

LUFFY: The green city? But there isn’t anything green out here…

VIVI: Nowadays, yes…

VIVI: For ages past, the Sandora River nourished the lands of Alabasta, but in recent years, the river has lost its vigor and is now being driven inland by the ocean.

ZORO: Is that why this town dried up?

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Vivi then explains that up until a few years ago, cities like Elumalu got by collecting rainwater to store and even had plantlife. This is where the rain powder is explained and the situation with Crocodile.

VIVI: This country’s peace, its trust in the King, the rain…People’s homes and even their lives…All of it was stripped away, because of one man!

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So Alabasta is a kingdom that is 4000 years old as we know from the palace. What Vivi tells us here about the rivers history and modern politics is some good context for the arc, but for the overall epic-story, it’s important to know that river erosion isn’t something that would only have happened in recent years. That is something that builds up over time, hundreds of years to a thousand years. You wouldn’t call a city “the green city” because of some sparse plantlife.

According to Vivi these cities had already placed great value on rainwater and using it efficiently. That isn’t a culture that just springs up over a couple years! People that lived like this for generations…they would dream for rain.

We need more dynamic (not just zoan)

The user of "rain god" devil fruit doesn't have to be Nefeltari Lili. Let's open to other possibility. Yes, the people of Arabasta wish for rain. But it could be that a user of said devil fruit who came to them, not the fruit itself. Someone from outside Arabasta. This way, the desire of wanting rain can be fulfilled without Lili having to eat the fruit. Here's a theory by u/MrBushido56:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/mTt7QfQDE0