r/JoyDivision

I'm assuming it's going to be similar to Heart and Soul, but I hope it includes remasters of the Here Are The Young Men Video, Live at the Apollo, and maybe Plan K will see the light of day or Bodenveil Youth Club footage. As well as the full TV performances! Plus getting the Ceremony and In A Lonely Place practice recordings too, maybe with a bit of tweaking cause Hooky's bass is way too loud on In A Lonely Place.

There are alleged Rob Gretton live mixing board tapes, and I'd hope maybe Les Bains Douches and Live at the Preston Warehouse get a bit of tidying up. With the relatively small amount of live JD live show's where recorded, they could probably be put on a few CDs!

Maybe even a little booklet?

All in a very nice Peter Savile packaging.

What do you folks think?

Right now I’m coming out of one of the darkest times I’ve ever been in in my life. I’ve never been so hopeless and depressed. A month ago I found the song Disorder. Immediately I related to “I got the spirit lose the feeling.” Because it felt like I was a dead man walking with just his spirit and was numb to the world. It fit perfectly. I finally didn’t feel so alone. That whole album just encapsulates my mind at this time so well. I’m finally seeing glimpses of light again. Finally I have a little bit of hope again. I’m still in the gutter but I’m finally feeling like me a little bit. And this band genuinely really helped me on the journey. I’m so grateful I found this music. It’s some of the only stuff I could listen to and still feel something through such a numbing time. Anyways, I just wanted to share my experience discovering this band. As a huge punk rock fan too that had me hooked as well because a lot of their songs could definitely be punk rock songs if they were sped up.

So one of the things that I always noted with the JD community is how they feel about Ian as a person. Some see him as a tragic and tortured figure who struggled with his epilepsy, others see him as a total arse with how he treated Deb and by an extent, Natalie all for his desire to step away from being a family man and be a rock star. A bunch (myself included) see him as more complicated that while yes he was tragic with what happened to him and what he dealt with, it doesn't excuse how awful of a husband and father he was.

I see these conflicted arguments whenever Deb's book, Peter's book, the film Control, and I think several biographies about the band come up as we're often left with differing interpretations of how Ian was. I don't know, being a big fan of Joy Division's, much of Ian's lyrics and his life connects so much to what Joy Division is and what it became, I'm often just wondering this and I feel crazy or parasocial.

I know some will also kind of peek with comments saying that I shouldn't be thinking this because I never knew Ian (and they are right), but it's hard to not think so since a lot of Ian's issues and such bled into the world of Joy Division.

Basically the title. I’ve listened to quite a bit of goth music from the original era and with very few exceptions it all just sounds like either straight ripping off of Joy Division or using elements so associated with them that it’s basically pastiche.

How do you interpret the lyrics to the chorus of Heart and Soul?:

"Heart and soul, one will burn."

Does Ian mean:

1. either the heart or the soul will burn? Or,

2. is "one" used as a third-person pronoun, as in, "Heart and soul, you (one) will burn"?

I'm curious what people think he means in context.

Google told me to study with music on,

so I did one Unknown Pleasures worth of revision

the problem is: I Remember Nothing