r/EsotericEbb

Heavy spoilers for the ending ahead!

>!To clarify the title of this post- I believe there is a very good argument to be made that Ragn, the cleric, is implied to be similar in nature to Urth. I believe that both the lore and the main gameplay system is supposed to convey that Ragn has the potential to become powerful in the same way Urth is.!<

>!Additionally I have only done one playthrough so far as a druid with lots of wis, cha and int in that order. Some of the background information on Ragn may have been different in your playthrough depending on what path you chose for yourself. I do not know if the game changes it in that manner.!<

>!First off, the meaning of the term "god" will have to be clarified in this context, because Urth is not a god in the same sense as most other fantasy media portrays them, nor in the way real life religions think of theirs. Urth is not a divine being, but rather a sort of extremely powerful spellcaster, and his godhood comes from him simultaneously being the figurehead for humans settling on the continent in which the game takes place. He has two main things going for him, both of which originate from his deep understanding/manipulation of the strings. He is a) a powerful magic caster, and b) able to see the future. This second ability is what boosts him from powerful wizard to god. But he doesn´t just get visions of the future, but rather he can see how the probability of certain futures is, and can also see how those probabilities shift depending on the actions of him and others. Though it does not start out particularly spectacularly, as he is initially only able to tell if he´s going to screw up fixing a shoe in his fathers workshop, it grows in reach over time and is what eventually enables him to become such an effective leader all on his own.!<

>!To recap: Urth is a mortal human being who is considered a god due to his powerful spellcasting and ability to see different futures and their probabilities, both of which are born from his deep and seemingly intuitive understanding of the strings.!<

>!So right from the get go Ragn isn´t immediately disqualified from godhood by virtue of being human. He also possesses a deep and intuitive understanding of the strings, as evidenced by him being immediately able to absorb any spell scroll he comes across, much to the astonishment of a literal lich. It is also mentioned on multiple occasions that Ragn was one of the best students in the tower when it came to spellcasting, and his teachers didn´t seem to understand how he came to master spells so easily. This covers both the potential for powerful spellcasting and an innate understanding of strings, however the most important part of what makes Urth a god is never attributed to Ragn in the lore: his clairvoyance.!<

>!Evidence of this is only to be found in one place: every single skillcheck you ever do in the entire game. Each and every time you choose a dialogue option that requires a skill check you are presented with three pieces of information: the difficulty of the check, how good you are at doing it and what you have done to make the check easier or harder for yourself. So, you see your odds of success, can tell what has affected them, and can sometimes watch them change in real time when you take certain other dialogue options. Sound familiar? Now all of this is still much less powerful than what Urth can do, but he started out small as well, and there is actually one instance where Ragn´s powers of clairvoyance show signs of evolving. The very last action you take. Upon casting your ballot, you are presented with a Number next to the dialogue option where the dice used to be: 50%!<

I find that all of this makes a compelling case that Ragn is of a similar nature to Urth and could be his successor as god of mankind, but please feel free to tell me why I´m wrong. I am very excited about this idea but I´d hate to sit here all smug while a dev straight up dismissed this theory already or some such.

Hello, I'm a young Frenchman who's very interested in the game and I'd like to know if a French version (with subtitles) is planned or if there are any ways to play the game in French. I'm not an English speaker at all; I'm currently writing with a translator, lol.

I just thought while playing that a crossover (fan work) with EE would be fun.

I heard little about Esoteric Ebb starting out but I was very suprised as to how good it turned out and that it actually lived up to the praises. The dialogue is sharply written and also mostly easy to follow and also very fucking funny. Humour I think is often neglected in games so it is nice to see when developers pay so much attention to it. I also liked all the roleplay elements in the game, as compared to an actual DnD session games have more strict limitations obviously but here I felt like if there was something I wanted to do or say 9 times out of 10 I was able to do so which was very good. The lore of the world and its culture and history was also phenomenal I played with high INT so I read every fucking pop up there was. I am glad they put so much effort in designing the history of it all and cant wait to explore other places around the world especially the wastes cause they remind me of Kenshi. Also the soundtrack is fucking amazing very esoterical.

One thing I was worried while playing the game is that I felt like some political stances were more favoured than others or that some were just considered jokes. Even if I don't agree with something I thought that it would be better if those ideas weren't considered so loosely.

After finishing the game I think that it wasn't really the intention of the game to take any political stance, rather a philosophical one. The whole nature of the strings and probability (which is another element from DnD that has been integrated into a narrative perfectly) shows how our decisions and what we do influence the world around us for better or worse. It is in us to think about the future and strive for the best possible outcome. Or maybe the outcome sometimes isn't worth the effort to truly be achieved. Either way it is always a 50/50 weather we succeed or not but we still have to make those decisions. Sitting docile and allowing the world to simply exist without our involvement is the worst possible outcome. Truly the actual villain of the story is inactivity.

Ettir's character growth shows this the best I think and I was so glad that my favourite girl got so much love put into her and I will be excited to see her more in the future (sidenote: its funny how they selected Polish as the celestial language but when I looked at all the people working on the game I quickly understood why I am not complaining tho its nice to understand the language of gods). The Cleric, sorry, I meant The Wizard, was also amazing as a player character and a seprete character. It is rare for these to to mix so well (I litterly can only think of Geralt and maybe the courier?) but Esoteric Ebb did a great job with that. Overall I think it is so far one of the best games that has come out this year and certainly one of the best RPG's I have ever played. I can't say that it is in my top 10 but maybe the flow of time will change my feelings. Thank you for reading my ramblings now excuse me for I have a date scheduled with an angel.

All in the title !

Hello

For context i am a brazilian socialist activist. I am part of a socialist youth section, with a legal front party that takes place in Bouirgeous elections, and have been avidly doing the work for 1 year and a half. I actually got organized BECAUSE of Disco Elysium.

There’s several aspects of being a socialist that arent really common knowledge to people. Because stories about communists, actual communists, are rare. Its why Disco was such a miracle. But even in Disco, there’s not really a focus on how socialists orgs are organized, because Disco is an existentially Estonian game. And in Estonia, socialist efforts are currently very stunted. The game focuses on the, also common, sort of young commie who is still too far up their own ass to actually go in with the masses and build a movement. Very real and very powerful, but also not representative of ALL of the facets of modern organization.

Esoteric Ebb is different. Initially when i saw that the there was only one left party in the game, that they were actively running in the election and that there was no “centrist” equivalent, i was afraid the game would take a social democratic route, and not really go ás far as Disco did. I was wrong.

The way the Azgals operate, is very representative of real marxist-leninist organization. Historically it reminds me a bit of that period pre-Lenin when Engels and Marx were building the communist party in Germany, and org wise makes me think of early Bolcheviks.

The thing that kind of sucks about being in a real ML org is that you gotta interact with the system a little bit, not because you believe in it, but because you need to win the people, and it’s easier to reach the people if you have a legal front. Engels talked about it and the Third International has several texts on it. You need to enter the bouirgeous elections, not with the goal of actually achieving anything, or even to win the election. But because when the system does everything in its power to stop you, that’s when you denounce and mobilize the masses to do the real work. Before the fun part, you need to do the boring, day to day job.

This mostly means newspaper work. Thats the part that surprised me the most in the game. The newspaper is só important. I write for the one in my party for my state. Through our newspaper we go to the factory floor and talk to the workers and build strikes, through the newspaper we are able to organize massive student paralizations that spam entire states.

However, all of this doesn’t mean a party can’t go scab. Start going too far on the electoral route and start trying to consciliate with the system, believe you’ll change something through it. This is why ideological dispute os important, this is why you need to study constantly as well as act.

Modissa is a wonderful character

She has flaws. The game makes it clear her fervor comes from a personal place of being tired of personally being put down, not an altruistic desire of liberation. But even so, the game mais it clear her anger is righteous. Through her it explores the misoginistic tendencies within Marxist orgs and how the youth, as Che Guevara once said, are the most willing to drive others to revolutionary action. Because being young is to be a revolutionary.

I saw myself in her in a way I never expected to see in a game. I never thought id see a young student writing and selling newspapers with revolutionary fervor, and fighting tooth and nail to keep the party in the right track. And both Wisdom and Snell are on her side, which to me is a clear indication of who the game sees as the correct side.

Its just a very nuanced discussion (because it’s true you can’t just go crazy and start openly asking for a revolution without first winning the trust of the masses) and the game handled it in a way that shows a deep understanding of how organization works.

Her character and the Azgals in general are very wonderful. Her conflict with Rollo also is, because i like the empathy in making it clear Rollo’s actions come from the same place as her, but are infinitely more misguided. I love how the game shows she is flawed while also making it clear she is right. And even if i don’t think the narrative in Esoteric Ebb is as visceral as Disco’s was, i really, really apreciate what it did with politics, coming from someone like Modissa.

I see around that there should an encounter with a skeleton, that has some value in defeating but I been walking around the city below, find plenty of stuff, but not that one, I am looking at the wrong place?

So, I remember that it's a quote from election day and it's about voting Azgalist. Something like "if all the options are bad anyways, you might as well aim for the tallest mountain/highest peak". I think it was said by Alfos but I'm not sure. Afaik there's not a site like fayde for this game yet, if there's just point me there!

I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the manga (really good I recommend checking it out if you haven't), but i would really like to see some fan work about it, dunmeshi characters in the ebb or vice versa. I think there would be a lot of fun interactions either way, and fun ways to adapt the characters in either world. If you like the idea tell me what you think, what you would like to see in something like that.

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i have completed most of the quest here is some i have troubles with:
1milk quest

2 lich quest

3 dead rising quest

4 the nationalist quest (one below the women hammer and snake quest)

5 the one dot connecting the heart and press

also do i have to enter the pillar at day 4 or do i have day 5 to wrap things up?

also what are the others dots that are not connected to anything mean?

Hey y'all! I'm on my second run of the game right now and I've had druidcraft for a bit, active at all times other than needing to swap to mage hand for specific things. I just got thamaturgy again, and realized that on my last run, once I got thamaturgy I never used druidcraft again, and now I'm wondering if keeping one or the other active is better! What do y'all think? Should I prioritize one, should I swap back and forth, what's the best strategy for these cantrips?

The Crow guy told me there was one but it's been so long since the conversation that I forgotten where he says it was and now I can't find it.