r/kpopharshopinions

This is probably not a hot take, and we've definitely hears this a lot of times, but Army is SO toxic and PARASOCIAL.

Is it just me or whenever I see someone comment they're an army under a thread, I just know that they're going to go crazy if someone said the slightest wrong thing about BTS? Like I've seen this post on tiktok about the secret beef between Jimin and Jeongyeon of twice. As a Once, I was laughing so hard—because this is an og meme most of us know.

Then, I see an army saying “she's jealous of him, because she's unknown in korea and outside korea” and it irritated me, because are we talking about the same Jeongyeon, FROM TWICE? One of the biggest GG, and the biggest kpop GG in Japan?! I get it, I respect BTS because they're very talented, but the world DOES NOT revolve around BTS. I hate how they always say without BTS, kpop wouldn't have suceeded. Invalidating other's work made me super angry.

Someone also said “Exo? Seventeen? Red Velvet? Do those actually even exist? I bet Jungkook looks at them in disgust because they're FLOPS. They can't even go near my glorious BTS” LIKE??

Exo paved their own way, Seventeen paved their own way, Red Velvet paved their own way. Shut your nonsense saying BTS PAVED OTHER'S WAY.

It's annoying that majority of the Army I meet always ALWAYS have to be so obsessed with their idols. Someone literally threw stuff at me when she learned I was a Carat because she was so bitter that Seventeen had the most selling album for FML, and BTS arirang didn't win? Like they kept saying we rigged it, and that Seventeen is an unknown kpop group.

I mean, I don't really care. I'm not an Army, nor do I care about what happens in that group, because I genuinely do not have any interest in them. I just avoid that group because of one reason: THE FANDOM.

They're so parasocial, it disgusts me whenever I see a character AI of jungkook, Jimin, or other members, because that's just so... disgusting? Even the fanfics is insane. That's crossing the line. Basic human dignity, where?

Blinks is already annoying, but Army is even more so. I have so many things to say about Army, but i'll end this here.

EDIT: Since everyone is getting confused, I didn't mean to generalize every ARMY. I want this post to be specifically towards the toxic ARMY I met, not the good ones. I'm very sorry for wording this SO WRONG. I acknowledge my mistake, I'm very sorry.

This may be random, but I just wanted to speak up about the 5th gen It girl arguments I've seen online, usually about whether Ahyeon, Wonhee, Ian, or Gehlee are the It girls.

Personally, I want Wonhee to be the It girl (imo) BUT it isn't decided yet, so why are we being comfortable labelling idols as the It girl and then fighting others when people label other girls as it girl?

It girl has lost its meaning. Kpop fans nowadays label It girl as “the prettiest/popular one” when It Girl has always been about Influence. I'm tired of the arguments of Monstiez (I think that's the fandom name) and Glitts (idk if that's the fandom name, cuz I'm js a casual fan of Illit) about Ahyeon/Wonhee being It Girl.

It's too early for us to say that someone is an It girl because 5th gen barely started. There's still new girl groups to debut, like Unchild recently debuting. New girl groups = more potential it girls. So labelling someone as an It girl so early is crazy. Like, I'm alright if you praise your idol, saying she's it girl because that's your opinion, but arguing about it to others is just not okay. Because let's accept that 5th gen hasn't ended yet, we still have to wait and see what happens next <33

While I am personally sad over Heeseung leaving enhypen, I don't think it's right for us to be spamming his name on members lives.

Boycotting isn't the right way either. Yes, HYBE is an evil company, but if we boycott enhypen, won't that just make it hard for the group themselves and even more for Heeseung?

As a fan, I know myself that Heeseung really wanted to make his own music. Ever since ILAND, it's very NOTICEABLE. There could be underlying reasons behind him leaving, but at this point, there's really no saying that he'd even come back. Enhypen is now 6, and we will cherish the memories when they were 7. If we push HYBE too much, they might even disband ENHYPEN. Also, it's not like Heeseung will disappear. He will debut as a solo, we can still support him, and Enhypen. Heeseung and Enhypen members are still going to be friends off screen, and we should be just happy that this ended like this. If HYBE responds to our protests, I feel like it wouldn't be in a positive way. It's either they'll disband enhypen themselves, or even forbid the members from meeting Heeseung.

I know, we're all sad, it's hard to accept that someone we love is leaving the group you stan, but it's not right for us to disregard other member's feelings. Especially the hate on Sunoo. Sunoo is doing so good singing heeseung's parts, and yet he gets criticism. Are we really sad because a member left enhypen, or sad because it's HEESEUNG who left enhypen?

The members have feelings too. We shouldn't add pain for them, because we KNOW they're hurting EVEN MORE THAN US. Jay told us to stop mentioning Heeseung, and even Jungwon. The members themselves said THAT. We should learn to accept the truth, especially since Heeseung will be performing solo as EVAN this June on KCON. Let's just support the group and Evan.

Yeah the music is pure garbage, Kateyes cb everyone agree is terrible, well for it defense the only good part is the choreography, ILLIT cb is Kateyes recycle garbage and Cortis latest release is just terrible the instrumental sucks so bad it look like they were trying to do rage typa music but without any effort like the voice mixing /autotune is so bad the instrumental is a pure mess, Lesserafim new cb, (I luv lsfm) i'm so sad but it not good at all, even bnd (i'm a onedoor) what happen they suddenly started to release colorless bland ahh music whyyyy like i'm so disappointed coming from the biggest compagny in kpop yet their music is worse than any nugu new release...

just made a full video on this — she left YG without a solo extension, built LLOUD with full master ownership, signed with celine bulgari and nike globally, debuted top 10 on billboard 200 as an independent artist, and starred in white lotus

all before 28. the RCA deal alone is something taylor swift has been fighting for publicly for years

https://youtu.be/WFC\_e6QfoUM

what do you think her smartest business move was?

Je résume principalement ce que dit le film K-pop Demon Hunter :

Une idole peu manger ce qu’elle veux quand elle veux, surtout avant les concerts

Une idole est presque tout le temps en repos

Une idole écrit elle-même les paroles de ces musiques .

Si une idole ce sent mal avant un concert, elle n'est pas obligé de le faire.

Tout le monde aime les idoles de K-pop

C’est simple d'être connu.

Les managers sont tellement sympa et souriants

On gagne beaucoup d'argent

Littéralement tout l'inverse du métier. On oublie toute la période de trainee, la difficulté de ce faire prendre dans une agence puis ce faire connaître, les régimes intensifs, la pression constante... C'est un scandale !!

Je suis désolé mais la plupart des idoles sont adultes, elles font ce qu'elles veulent !!

Il y a plusieurs camps de fans toxiques :

Les premiers sont ceux qui critique et boycotte l'idole dès qu'il y a des rumeurs de couple parce que soient disant elle n’a pas le droit, c’est un manque de respect envers les fans, etc (les même qui font un scandale parce que leur bias ne les regarde pas assez a travers une foule de 20000 personnes)

Les deuxième sont ceux qui ne soutiennent pas l'idole mais qui font tout pour trouver des indices pour prouver qu'il sont ensemble (ce sont rendus au même endroit un peut près au même moment), tout ça jusqu'à modifier des photos grâce a l’IA juste pour faire croire qu'il ont des bracelets assortis.

Et puis certaines fois, ça dégénère tellement que l'agence est obligé de nier ou de dire la vérité, ce qui m'amène au 3e camps :

Ceux qui croient que si l'agence ne s'exprime pas alors qu'on est en pleine rumeur, c'est forcément parce que les deux sont en couple.

Mais purée ! Laissez les tranquilles ! Ils ont le droit d'avoir une vie privée...

Edit : je ne parle pas des shippings parce que c'est une forme de marketing, je parle de rumeurs de couple infondées.

I genuinely need some kpop stans to understand the difference between a harmless association and pure saturation.

Nobody is saying “you can NEVER think of Minsung when you see pink and green.” The issue is that some shippers have repeated the exact same association so many times that it became painfully predictable. Every pink and green object, outfit, edit, interaction or random duo somehow turns into “MINSUNG 🩷💚😱”. After YEARS of this, people are obviously gonna get tired of it.

And what makes it even more annoying is how aggressive people get when someone points this out. The second you say “this joke is getting repetitive,” people start insulting you, calling you miserable, bitter, jobless, telling you to “go outside” or acting like you committed a crime for being tired of an overused fandom joke.

Then they start playing dumb:
“so wicked/mitsuri/fairly oddparents comparisons are okay but minsung isn’t???”

The difference is VARIETY. Those are broader pop culture/aesthetic references. People don’t spam them under every single pink and green thing on earth for years straight. Minsung became the most automatic and repetitive response possible to those colors specifically because shippers forced the association into literally every context imaginable.

That’s why people are tired of it. Not because “pink and green belongs to minsung” or whatever dramatic argument shippers keep making up. The problem is saturation, repetition and the fact some fans can’t handle hearing that without taking it as a personal attack.

Disclaimer: I am just expressing frustration with the content/criticism of K-pop stans I see on MY side of the internet

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5–10 seconds of Boompala by Le Sserafim has been released, and a lot of people already don't seem to be enjoying it. I keep seeing comments about HYBE “ruining” their discography and that it doesn't sound good. At the same time, people are criticizing Whole Different Animal by Aespa - some of that is about G‑Dragon being featured (which, fair enough, if that’s your issue), but also the song itself.

Personally, I am excited for Boompala, and I like WDA. What stands out to me is that both of these songs seem a bit different from the “cutesy/Y2K” trend in K-pop right now.

I also constantly see some people complaining that groups all sound similar/have a similar aesthetic atm

So now I’m just confused; being experimental = bad, but sticking to similar concepts = also bad?

It honestly feels like no matter what direction a group takes, there’s going to be backlash. If they change, people say it’s off-brand or a bad idea. If they don’t change, people say it’s repetitive or boring. I don't understand it

When ITZY had their "loving yourself" concept, people got tired. With the comebacks after Sneakers...people have said, "I wish they stuck to their original concept/sound".

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Segwaying from music...During her hiatus, when Jeongyeon gained weight, there were so many backhanded comments about how she was “past her peak” or didn't look good with the extra weight. TWICE's Insta account posted a new reel of her dancing to “Fix a Drink,” and suddenly I’m seeing comments about how skinny she is.

"Overweight" = bad

"Skinny" = bad

Same with Liz...I remember she got a lot of hate for not being that skinny, and now that she is, people complain about how thin and unrecognizable she seems in IVE.

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On the internet, it is very hard not to generalize entire fandoms. But seeing so many contradictory criticisms feels so frustrating. Are fans ever actually happy with their idols, or is the criticism just amplified because it gets more engagement online?

Because it feels like idols can’t win no matter what they do 😶

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Edit: I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted 😭 I'm sharing my personal experience on the internet