... and if anyone can help with the bits in Korean and the bits in Chinese I can't hear and/or understand, I'd be much obliged. :)

This is obviously "for female victims with male perpetrators" (2nd date is already a UHaul for lesbians, so this doesn't work the same way for women loving women).

What would the male version be? What would a woman targeting a man like this say and what would a man targeting a man like this say? My initial guess was "woman says something sexual", but I think too many men are still stuck in a "that makes her a sl*t and worth less" worldview for that.

Enhypen's "Sin: Vanish" album features the following on its cover "They fell for the forbidden, lived through the afterlight (sic), awakened to love and faced the storm".

Enhypen's "Romance: Untold" album features the (partially toxic, parasocial) insanity in the pic (not my picture, not my hands).

What's your example?

Should be clear, but this is "Sitting weird on chairs"

(Should also be clear: the entire shoot also used bisexual lighting and he is wearing the bisexual pride flag's colors on his shirt)

Very on point though with the historical Korean debate mentioned in my original post here (I expressly did not share the actual history in the sub precisely for 'may not be thirsting appropriate' reasons).

Jay included cause it's his 24th birthday literally today.

ETA: I received a one week ban for sharing the "anniversary of declassification of homosexuality in Korea - have some hot Kpop idols" post (without the article!) in the gaykpopfanbs sub... Reason: stuff like that and me having mentioned transphobia once before interferes with thirsting too much.

Storytime:

End of dictatorship (1987)

LGBT rights completely out of the question before - like many other rights...

Sappho (1992)

The first LGBT (although that is today’s terminology, at the time it was just “lesbian and gay” overall) group in Korea was founded in 1992 as lesbian group (called "Sappho") by an African American immigrant from the US. She paid to put adverts in Korean newspapers trying to find lesbians and gays to start an overall advocacy group.

Chodonghoe (1993, failure)

That group, with both gays and lesbians, almost immediately imploded due to severe conflict that will be extremely familiar to anyone who has read one of my fav books ever: “Why are faggots so afraid of faggots”.

The gay men in the group had as avowed strategy that they would convince straight men that they were “real men” too. They would assimilate. That of course couldn’t work for the lesbian women. Additionally, according to the lesbians these specific gay men were of the view that women were just in general worth less than men – not only as romantic and sexual partners, but simply as human beings. According to the lesbian activists, they had the same views on patriarchy as straight men.

KiriKiri, Chingusai (both 1994)

Both lesbian activists and gay activists started their own respective organisations after that original joint organisation failed. The lesbian one is called KiriKiri, the gay one Chingusai - both groups still exist. KiriKiri decided to put the emphasis of their work on approaching politicians and organising voters. They would publish regularly which politicians to vote for and which not (from a lesbian and gay rights standpoint). Additionally, they did fundraising for lawsuits – to win human rights through the courts.

TV documentary "Women who love women: Lesbians", first campus groups (both 1995)

In 1995, there was then a first documentary on public Korean TV that was really influential, “Women who love women: Lesbians”. Both the TV company and KiriKiri and Chingusai, who were mentioned in it, were inundated with calls and letters by women and men who were like “wait, I’m not the only one?! Could you connect me with others, please?”

At the same time, in 1995, the very first university groups for gays and lesbians were started.

Aftermath: first websites, gay and lesbian panic, ban as "against National Korean values" (1997)

This first major attention through the TV documentary and campus groups sparked a public panic. This was "exacerbated" in 1997 by the start of Korea's first larger gay and lesbian sites/online messaging boards: Exzone (gay) and TG-Net (lesbian). The owner of Exzone was a gay activist, pseudonym "Joong-Jun". Both sites were heavily self-censored for fear of being shut down by the government. Sexual messages were deleted.

That same year, in 1997 the first “Queer Film Festival” was supposed to be held in Seoul. It had to be cancelled, as in the same year (1997) homosexuality was declared to be against “Korean national values” and therefore “harmful to youth”. This law also meant that youth groups working with gay and lesbian youth, including those that were suicidal, were not allowed to properly discuss the topic anymore.

KiriKiri in response started a lawsuit. This lawsuit lost in three different lower courts – and then lost again in the Constitutional Court – with large costs to KiriKiri.

2001: further tightening of the law

In 2001, the Korean Ministry of Information and Communications then decided to interpret the 1997 law for the internet – it mandated that all websites, including youth worker and health websites that mentioned anything about being lesbian or gay (even mere existence) had to be blocked in all publicly accessible places, including internet cafés, or feature an age restriction/checking. Lawyers for Democracy and the Lesbian and Gay Alliance Against Defamation (itself founded for this purpose in 2001) plus "Joong-Jun" (the individual gay activist founder of Exzone) started a second lawsuit to overturn this new law.

2003 and 2004: declassification of homosexuality as "against Korean national values" and "harmful to youth"

While they also lost everywhere, in April 2003, the Human Rights Commission of Korea, under UN pressure, decided that the 2001 law would still need to be repealed. This repeal was then enacted one year later, in April 2004. This was the moment that mentioning or showing lesbians and gays was no longer deemed “contrary to Korean values” and the 1997 law was repealed.