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Why did "free choice" become the baseline in pro-queer, progressive, etc. spaces?

Hey everybody. I've been thinking about something that goes deeper than "X isn't for me" and wanted to share it and see others' thoughts. I think that a lot of what passes for liberated, progressive sexual culture and expression is structurally harmful and alienating, and yet is treated as the foundation for a lot of pro-queer spaces, progressive politics, even radical anti-capitalism, while also being perfectly amenable to the systems supposedly being challenged in the first place, and any structural criticism feels impossible without being labeled repressive or patriarchal or reactionary.

I AM NOR MORALIZING OR SHAMING ANYBODY'S PERSONAL LIFE. I am not in the business of that. Structure your relationships however you want to. It's none of my business. I don't think individual shaming helps anybody. What I am questioning is the cultural demand of a sort of "absolute freedom" that is seen as untouchable, sacred even, in any sort of progressive or radical spaces when it comes to the concept of "sexual liberation", and as a demi person I realize that might mean I am "blinded" by a bias but I like to think I have the ability to understand where others are coming from. I think that normalizing this dynamic, this model, whatever, as the gold standard of "freedom" is producing widespread net harm and refusing to talk about it basically cedes all ground to bigoted reactionaries.

What exactly is it I'm talking about? Here are some examples:

  1. The idea that ones' body and sexuality being put on display, as a commodity, is always empowering if the person has made the choice to do so.
  2. The idea (moreso in mainstream society than in any "anti-establishment" cases, but definitely taken for granted a lot of the time in those too) of sex and romance in the logic of individual transactions where emotional attachment or need is a liability you need to "fix" in order to be mature.
  3. The idea, against a lot of real research, that engaging in sex is a basic bodily function no more complex than drinking water, and seeking it out casually doesn't have psychological and mental risks or consequences.
  4. Finally, the idea that if any choice is made freely, it is beyond critique, and to suggest that such choices (and I am still talking about sexuality here, but I'm sure we can expand it to other topics too) might lead to painful, alienating, empty, or damaging places is to be repressive, controlling, backwards, reactionary and so on.

This shows up in just about every activist circle, every feminist, pro-queer, progressive, leftist, etc. tendency or organization or space I have ever been aware of, and it really feels hypocritical especially when systemic analysis is used for tons of other issues people care about, rightfully so. But not this! Critiquing the marketplace of intimacy, suggesting that commodification cannot be solved by total free choice as atomized individuals, which itself is exactly what capitalism wants us to see ourselves as, leads immediately to being branded a sex-negative patriarchal infiltrator. The right has all the space to talk about the hollowing out of relationships, loneliness that affects all sexes and genders, but those of us who wish to preach tolerance are forced to defend the very superstructure that leads to it because any alternative has been framed as repression.

I realize that even among us demisexuals, this will come off as talking out of my lane. But I can't just "shut up and let people enjoy things" when I have lived long enough to have experienced the harm caused, not just to myself but to the people I love too, some of whom would defend it. I think we don't have a more materialist, structural rather than individualist way of analyzing sexuality and intimacy without appealing to "traditional values", which is the exact opposite of what I have been doing here.

So that's something I've been thinking about. And I'm wondering if fellow demis have noticed this as well or have their own honest, non-judgemental critiques that don't fall into individual shaming.

ONE LAST NOTE: I’ve tried very hard to write this in a way that critiques the system, not people. I’m genuinely interested in hearing other perspectives, even strongly opposing ones. I won’t be engaging with bad-faith replies that reduce this to “slut‑shaming” and recommend that others not do so either, but I'll read and, if I have anything to say, respond to anything offered in the spirit of the discussion.

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u/alrightpartner — 1 day ago
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Redesign for the demisexual & demiromantic flags

Went through probably 50 designs ranging from very minor changes to total overhauls, then came up with this one which I think is quite neat and elegant. Definitely much more pleasing to look at than the originals imo :). I feel like the originals look fine on a big screen but once it's quite zoomed out they just look flimsy :(

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with either community

u/GeneralTalbot — 4 days ago
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I don’t know if this happens to anyone else but….

When I move to fast in dating ie. cuddle or have sex too early/too fast. (I.e: on the first few dates). I often lose my attraction to the person I’m getting to know. It just disappears out of thin air.

I’ve looked everywhere for why this happens to me, but I haven’t found any answers.

Like is there a way for me to regain my feelings or is that just it?

Anyway, I hope someone even one person resonates with what I experience. It is highly frustrating it makes me feel like I’ll never find anyone to date.

Thanks for reading and please leave a comment if you think you know why this is happening to me or if you experience this weird phenomenon too.

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u/Kindly-Purple9008 — 3 days ago
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so I recently found myself in a poly relationship with two other lovely girls, E and N (not their real names just using this for privacy). We got together around three weeks ago (I met them around four weeks from today) and at first I was so happy and we couldn’t stop texting and now we still text but I wonder if that happiness at the beginning was just me getting excited about having a new relationship in over four years. I still love the two other girls very much but I wonder if it’s still romantic, if that makes sense? I’m worried I rushed into it too quickly and I feel bad lying if I don’t actually have those feelings. I don’t want to break off though bc it’s gonna make things awkward I’m worried. any advice? :]

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u/SoggyDay6550 — 9 days ago
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I am 19/F looking for "close friend" and "life friend all around the world if that possible...

First of all I am humanist and like try to learn everything. ( even it is not possible lol)I have so many hobbies. Even I didnt try your hobby before I can search for ya!

for close friend I can be with EVERYONE if they love me and respect me!

Everybody know what close friend is but I made up term" life friend" it represents special friend to share my all life with. conditions

(for me of course, you can create conditions for yourself!)

Should be male, +18, emotionally mature, must be AT LEAST 2 years my close friend, Date with me face to face as much as possible( we shouldnt trust people easly online and also real life so much dont you think?) and should be wisdom and smart!

Yea you read right dont care about what look like , past before me, age gap etc. for life friend

In the end there is +8 billion in the world , everyone is replaceable (include me LOL)

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u/realanonymous777 — 4 days ago

Question for demiromantic people ❤️ please help 😭

I unlocked a new fear when I found out that demiromantic people exist since I never had a friend I always assumed the reason why I never had a crush was because I never have gotten to know a person but now I am extremely worried that when I finally manage to make my first friend that after I get to know them I fall for them and I ruin the only chance I had at a friendship. How do you navigate through life when people who you become friends with didn't get a crush on you only for you to get crush on them when you are already good friends?

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u/Independent_Will6 — 6 days ago

Hello everyone i'm looking for demisexual and demiromantic books and manga rep? Any suggestions? Sasaki and miyano are good i love their slow burn relationship? Any tips are helpful

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u/TraditionalFox7112 — 12 days ago
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I havent been able to talk to the people I knew since I was an early teen for medical reasons so I missed a while that I couldve felt desires for relationships. I didn’t have strong crushes but the few weaker ones I had were friends of friends. (or maybe they were friends, I talked to them more than I did most others) I don’t quite remember how I felt about them due to time but I know I felt more nervous to talk to them

Should I use these labels even if I have little evidence for myself that they fit me? Unrelated but is the ace of diamonds a symbol for demiromantics or just demiromantic-aces and demisexuals?

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u/Intrepid_Resident569 — 10 days ago