which more difficult to win
Winning a sextuple or treble only once
Winning UCL three times in a row not once but twice like winning 3 peat UCL twice
Cause barca fans argue that winning treble once in a decade is difficult and Madrid fans argue that winning UCL three times a row twice is more difficult whats ur thoughts on this??
To this day, I still grateful to Arteta for giving me higher expectations every season, and I credit him for that.
But I have to say this: Arteta is a coach completely lacking in courage. The fact is, even though Arsenal are title contenders, even though we’re at the top of the table, no team ever feels intimidated when they play us.
Think back to peak Liverpool or peak City back in the day. When mid to bottom table sides played them, who dared to go all out and throw caution to the wind? But against Arsenal? Teams will go all in on you, because they know Arteta won’t go all in first. So they press high, they throw bodies forward, and suddenly we’re the ones stuck on the back foot.
That’s exactly what’s missing with Arteta and Arsenal right now: the guts to go for broke. The whole side has lost its edge, its willingness to take risks. We’ve been playing it safe for so long that when the moment calls for players to step up and make something happen, they don’t have the confidence to pull it off. So they just keep playing it safe instead.
Look at teams like Bayern, PSG, or that peak Liverpool and City side. When they’re backed into a corner, they suffocate you. They keep coming, wave after wave, until you can’t breathe. But when Arsenal are backed into a corner? Any team can still go toe-to-toe with us, 50-50. In those make-or-break moments, we’re just lumping it long and hoping for luck. That’s not the mentality of a title-winning side.
These last two or three months of football have left me completely deflated. I don’t have the same high hopes for the title anymore. I don’t see how a team in this frame of mind can win it. If we do lift the trophy, I’ll thank the heavens for the gift. If we finish second for the fourth year in a row? It wouldn’t even surprise me. It’s exactly what I’ve come to expect.
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I never watched too much football before now because I wasnt allowed to watch TV by myself until recently. But I still remember my dad wouldnt shut up about the goal he scored at the Metropolitano in the UCL. Was he really that goated with Spain also?
Where do you personally rank him compared to the modern legends of nowadays like Mbappe, Olise and Messi?
Thanks in advance
just for example, rooney may be considered the best united player while ronaldo is the best player to play for united.
He won: Champions League (and treble) with Barcelona, as well as several La Liga titles. He led Sevilla to winning Europa League twice (although, 2nd time was in 2023).
He also helped Croatia win 2nd place in World Cup 2018 and he was on par with Modrić when you look performances that tournament.
He wasn't "main guy", but he was intelligent and versatile enough.
I remember during his PSG years, he was one of the most press-resistant midfielders in world.
Every transfer window there were rumours about him going to Barca. Barca needed that kind of midfielder.
He was close to winning Champions League 2020, but Bayern were too good.
Eventually he won EURO 2021, but even then, it seemed like Jorginho got more attention.
I still think he is one of the best cental midfielders in last 10 years or so. He was joy to watch when he is on.
I didn't grow up watching much football because I didn't understand the beautiful game back then, or have access to the internet. I would hear about how great he was, because my friends wouldn't stop mentioning his goal against Everton.
So how good was he compared to the elite players of today like Mbappe, Yamal, and Thiago Messi?
Serious answers only please, cheers
I don’t know how long until mods delete this. But what are these recent posts in here??? Literally nothing UCL related & the posts don’t get removed but i know for a fact this post here will get the boot 🥾
Anyways, peace ✌️ seemed like a good sub, still has good posts here and there but they are overtaken and overlooked because the good posts are sandwiched in between 50 shit posts.
I see comments on the dumb post basically stating wtf is going on or what is this crap..for those who engage in those shit posts all you’re doing is giving the braindead OP karma by engaging.
Unfollowing and blocking this sub, hopefully more of you follow suit and leave as well. We all love UCL discussions but this sub is soccercirclejerk 2.0
Had some great discussions on here but that’s dead now.
Here lies the hopes & dreams of the UCL subreddit 🪦
Currently, the squads of 2. Bundesliga clubs are mainly composed of German players with a handful of Austrian players, plus players of dual nationalities who came through German youth academies such as Turkish, Croatian, and Kosovar players. Meanwhile, youth academies of Bundesliga clubs have also been bringing in talent from Eastern European countries like Poland and Ukraine.
Turkiye has long been plagued by match-fixing scandals domestically, yet players developed by Bundesliga academies such as İlkay Gündoğan, Ozan Kabak, and others have maintained consistent performances for the Turkish national team.
Croatia has even poached talents like Josip Šutalo and Josip Stanišić from Germany due to eligibility rules—the latter is precisely the right-back talent Germany is in dire need of.
Kosovo has players across the pitch at Hoffenheim, and their shared history of war has fostered a strong sense of identity and cohesion among them.
Austria shares the German-speaking region, and I dare say over 90% of the Austrian national team have played in the Bundesliga. There are veteran players like Marcel Sabitzer, mid-generation stars like Christoph Baumgartner, and young prospects like Roko Šimić, who were targeted by German clubs from an early stage.
I didn't grow up watching much football because I didn't understand the game back then, I would just hear about how great he was but the only goal I ever saw him score was in Leo's back garden in Miami.
So basically, how good was he in comparison to the greats of today like Antony, João Felix and Harry Maguire?
He played 4 matches against Barca first two matches in 2006-2007 group stage. He then met Barca in 2008-2009 although his team eliminated by away goal rule.
So although being eliminated by Barca, in the sense of game play, Essien has never lost against Barca even if it's was reigning Champions 2006 Barca or sextuple 2008-2009.
I just want to know how did he manage to do such a feat?
After yesterday's game, I am wondering if Arsenal have bottled both CL and PL, because they are focusing on both. Are they winning anything this season? If they fail to win anything, is Arteta still continuing next season? Or get sacked by next season?
Back in November last year I said Arsenal lacked consistent goalscoring options an elite striker who could step up in big moments. My post got deleted by the mods back then. I guess they thought I was a troll. But now it’s clear. If we had a striker of Kane or Haaland’s caliber a clinical finisher life would be so much easier. Even Mbappé would fit Arsenal Barça or Bayern perfectly. Jesus just doesn’t have that leadership quality to carry a team.I think Arsenal don’t need to upgrade any other positions this summer. They’re already European top-tier there. The priority is to sign a world-class attacking star. If we can’t get a top striker we at least need a winger with elite dribbling ability like Olise or Vinícius Júnior.
Let’s say you have to the talent to be the GOAT would you avoid going to a club like Man City because your achievements might be diminished because people view them as oil money/ cheating. If you look on the other hand side they have pep guardiola great players your guaranteed to win many trophies. If you were to go to a club like Arsenal and win them their first champions league or first prem in 22 years people would respect that more like you didn’t sell out. The problem with arsenal is that the players are not good as Man City and they don’t win trophies but if you were to do that what option would you pick. Your the best player in the world young 20 years old and these are your two options
I think as a young manager he had lot of positive influence on football.
Are they paying infleuncers to continue this narrative?
How do they convince everybody that they are better than everyone else but fail to show it in the UCL.
As far as I can remember, I have never seen the Prem with more than 2 exciting teams, even in 2005 the kind of football Chelsea was playing was not appealing to anyone, in the early 2010s the French league was ultra competetive with very exciting players, Serie A had the great teams of Juve, Inter, Napoli, Roma. I dont know what was going in La Liga. The prem teams could not compete in the UCL in the early 2010s
I have never seen the Prem with more than 2 really competitive sides, it has always 1 or 2 very good sides and other teams with one superstar and lacking of balance in other areas of the pitch, teams have always looked like Everton or the current Liverpool team, very mellow, no exciting wingers or a midfield of Capoue and Dokoure, or a Tottenham team with great Fullbacks in Walker and the other dude and only 1 winger. Or the Arsenal side where they kept reminding us of how great Ozil was but they could never sign another good winger to complement Alexis.
Overall I am tired of watching this kind of football and this idea of Prem better more physical is a lie, how they manufatured it, I dont know. Jorginho Frello, who could not tackle a fly played in this league for years as a DM, Ayari is a DM in a pivot in this league
I want to watch Hazard,Luiz Dias, prime Sterling, prime Adama not Martinelli, Victor Moses, Garnacho, Salah, Gordon, Barnes, Odoi, Simons, Iwobi, Mcneil, Harry Wilson, Johnson, Mitchell.
Let wingers be the artists and midfielders do the final ball thing.
Even though I'm portuguese and born in 2002, I never grew up watching that much football as it only became my main hobby not a long time ago, therefore missing the golden era of football and, more precisely, the Messi × Ronaldo era.
I would hear all about how good he was, how many goals he would score, how strong and physical he was and how fast he would play on the pitch; but never saw him play on his prime. The first and one of the few times I saw him play in his best was in that famous 2016 EURO that I still remember fondly - with CR7 being the sole reason we got to the next round.
But I beg the question: compared to Kane, Haaland and Mbappé, how good he really was? Was he as frightening to play against as, per se, prime 2022 Mbappé? Was it a truly one-man danger and how teams used to prepare to play against him?
Thanks for all answers!
Relatively new here and don’t know much, but how good was this sub in its prime when there weren’t a lot of off topic posts?
Looking forward to your input and discussion.
Let’s keep it civil.
I was born in 2006 and misssd majority of messi prime cause I didn't really started watching until 2017 , I have watched videos about him of course but still I want to ask the people who really watched his prime just great was he?
today players kane , mbappe , yamal , haaland , Olise are there being considered one of the best in the world and are genuinely very class players but why did messi felt like something not normal even in videos?