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What are your top 5 non-Indo-European/Semitic a posteriori conlang ideas?

I would also exclude Turkic, Chinese and Japanese tbh. Added the phonology tag because I’m most motivated by trying to create consistent phonotactics/“feels” and conform languages to existing phonotactics/phonetic sprachbunds aesthetically.

Here are five ideas I really like:

  1. Steppe Qiangic: the Tanguts cross Mongolia and establish a lasting “Khanate” somewhere in OTL Russia. The phonotactics of the language become slightly more “Turcomongol”

  2. Central Mexican Totonac: A third branch of Totonacan with simple Oto-Pamean tone and maybe even voiced consonants. Maybe <tl> becomes a dental fricative like Otomi’s

  3. Headwater Austroasiatic: A basal (or maybe in-universe the only) branch of Austroasiatic spoken in Sichuan/Yunnan/Tibet, with the sesquisyllables developing into an Old Tibetan/Qiangic style cluster system. This is the proposed homeland of Proto-AA for some researchers.

  4. Macro-Laal: A language related to Laal (a language isolate of Chad) with typical Congolese phonotactics (Central Sudanic or Ubangian)

  5. Macro-Ge Trills: Taking a Macro-Ge language with consonant clusters and turning them into bilabial and

maybe

  1. retroflex trills

Honorable mention, I have like four different Yeniseian conlangs I have to choose between (like East Asian, South Asian, ‘Neo-Hunnic’ in Europe, replacing Turkic in Central/SW Asia)

Edit: ignore the weird formatting on Item 5, I cannot fix it no matter what I do.

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u/ChiqantiKisaal — 12 hours ago
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A quick news snippet of my conlang Quistentois.

[I don’t know which flair to use — so, I appologize in advance if it’s incorrect]

Quistentois is primarily French-based, with minor Germanic influence in vocabulary. Most of conjunctions, prepositions, and even nouns, are from French or tweaked from it.

Quistentois is only a week old since first creation,and it already has 1.05k words in total, with 0.921k being the root words of nouns and verbs.

Here’s the translation of the news :

3 interconnected crises are happening simultaneously, threatening global security, the world's supply of energy, and the lives of millions of ordinary people. We begin where the stakes are highest, at the point of the world's most critical waterway.

It is barely 21 miles wide at its narrowest point, a sliver of dark water positioned between Iran and Oman. Yet through this single passage, roughly 20% of the global seaborne oil trade flows daily, primarily from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Iraq, and Qatar. For decades, the world took its passage for their own needs. Tonight, that passage is issued closed.

u/asymcophany — 21 hours ago

do you speak or practice your conlang? what differences does it have from your native language and did they make it in your opinion better?

I'll assume English is the native of most here.

My native is French but I have learned English, Spanish, Turkish, and currently German,

I was able to get my point accross most of the time but I know that certain untranslatable words make a whole aesthetic pleasant in a certain moment,

for example the phrase "putain de merrrde !" shouted in French makes rage more manageable, "kolay gelsin" in Turkish is a very cute greeting on the workplace that translates roughly to "may your day come easy", and German has a couple of oddities I ended up finding amusing.

I still didn't manage to build my own conlang, so I am wondering what itch you're aiming to solve with yours and how it is going, especially if it is a conlang meant to be used for communication or self-reflection.

cheers!

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u/eyewave — 21 hours ago

Say a number between 1-1101 and I'll give you a word and info about it

The number will correspond to a word in my Atasabo word list. If you want me or others to do the same for you, let me/us know!

>Example

Entry #67 aisi /ajsi/ - to smell

Stem: ais-

This word comes from Finnish haistaa, as well as the Atasabo word for "nose", aiso. It also comes from an old Atasabo word for flower, aise, because flowers is something you often smell.

  • Itako majjaisuit. /itako maj:ajsujt/ "The cow smelled the flowers."

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itako  maj-jais-ui-t
cow    flower-smell-PRET.POS-PL

Related words: aisibo "smell"

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u/atlasnataniel — 14 hours ago

do you write down all your possible word declensions and derivations? if so, how?

I feel my lexicon cannot be a good one until I avoid repeating words.

a simple way to accidentally repeat a word is to give it a meaning, and then realising the same word can be made from another root + declension or derivation.

I feel a good way to avoid that would be to write down declensions and derivations as I go,

but I simply don't find a good system for it.

with excel it's too rigid because I need to write every single root and phonological process manually, and if I need to change something, then I need to manually change and edit every occurence,

with dedicated tools like CWS it's just undoable because I don't understand the tutorials at all,

and I also cannot use databses or any programming language.

Of course I could invest to actually learn CWS or databases (though with CWS it's hard to find anything outside of the in-site and quite frankly, poor, tutorials), but so far my conlang development is so poor that I don't see a benefit.

just to explain my reasoning, I think a good description or table would look like:

- word root + translation to English

- derived word root + gloss

- declension word root + gloss

- all possible declension and derivation combination + gloss

and I could easily edit the whole result if I needed to change a word root or a derivation or declension morphene

at the moment, I prefer to ask what has really helped you move forward in how you describe your lexicon,

thanks in advance!

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u/eyewave — 1 day ago

What do you guys think about vocal stimming?

hi guys,

I never was big on world building, so naturally my conlang attempts at anything "in-world" all resulted in massive failure, as I simply don't have the patience,

then I decided, I love IPA and writing alphabets (in latin letter) so I have a huge backlog of mini projects with just phonology-orthography + some odd words and endings I find aesthetically pleasing.

And recently I found on instagram that "vocal stimming" is a thing, neuroatypical persons will utter words or noises that don't make sense from a communication point of view, but are just generally "pleasing" to utter, you know?

I do have a backlog of words I utter for fun, but I haven't been diligent thus far in writing them, nor in trying to define the feeling they evocate.

My stim words often have mostly slavic sounds as I loved to teach myself cyrillic, also other influences, but they don't really translate to any existing language.

Anyway just wanted to let out that I still don't have a conlang that I have put together, not even a personal one, but I still like linguistics and uttering words and singing in a lot of different languages.

I wonder, am I alone in uttering nonsense words? Was any of you able to transform this habit in creative writing with words that make sense?

as a bonus, please accept this sample of stimwords, I write them directly in IPA:

/berbiot͡snik, pɾutovski, tabɛɾnipopɛt, papɾut͡ski, maxava, fydyɾlɛ̃lɛ̃/

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u/eyewave — 2 days ago

Translated some of my desktop icons into Bjornifjordalandic

Hi all,

Just thought I would share this. I translated some of my desktop icons into my conlang. I find it immersive and a good way to practice reading and associating words visually. Do any of you do this as well?

  • Diskort - Discord
  • Vöðeifi - (lit.) Steam -- From vöð (water) + æfi (air)
  • Google Fjörpur - Google Chome (chromatic, colorful)
  • Krafert Sálegur Kode - lit. "Studio Visual Code" or Visual Studio Code
  • Desktop Legangira - Desktop Games (sg. Legangi)
  • Ubísoft Bindr - Ubisoft Connect
  • Mækriðeng - Recycling Bin lit. "Garbage Bucket" -- from mækr (garbage) + ýðeng (bucket)
u/LinguistGuy229 — 2 days ago
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A tablet with the creation myth in Adal Élaran

The text and the script are very much still WIP and especially the font.

My physical grammar of Elarian is still not finished so here is just a taste for it.
I maybe could have chosen a better example since in this text most features aren't present, like the zero copular in the present, the spit ergativity based on animacy or the weird adjectives I'm still working out.

Also excuse my attempt at academic English, I'm not a native speaker

u/TolinTheNeographer — 4 days ago

Another conlang! Just, hope you know cyrillic.

Моҥғол Пэлэн:

Phonology: m n ɲ ŋ p t tʃ k b d dʒ g s x ɣ l r j; i y u ø o e a

Case Endings (Acc Dat Gen Ins Abl Com): -и, -дэ/-ду, -и, -эр/-ар, -эчэ/-ача, -лүр/-лур

Genitive pluralizes to -инүт/-инут rather than the expected ending of -ис; that ending is instead used with the accusative case.

Pluralization: -н/-нь/-л/-р Endings -> -т Other Consonantal Endings -> C-үт/C-ут Vowel Endings -> V-с

Verb Endings (Voice Aspect Mood)

Voice (Passive Causative Pluritative): -гд/-гт, -ти-, -чэгэ/-чага

Aspect (Narrative Deductive Terminative Confirmative): -мэл/-мал, -(ү)ю/-(у)ю, -де/-дя, -лэ/-ла

Imperative Mood Suffix: -түғэй/-туғай

Good luck with beasts like Идэтиде, Парагдую, Алатуғай and Байикучагамал!

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u/Bubbly-Ball-3138 — 2 days ago

Interlinear Glossing

From "The Leipzig Glossing Rules":

Rule 4B. (Optional)

If an object-language element is formally unsegmentable but has two or more clearly distinguishable meanings or grammatical properties, the semi-colon may be used. E.g. (13) Latin (cf. 7) insul-arum island-GEN;PL 'of the islands'

How is this different from the dot? Should I use ; or . ?

u/Volo_TeX — 3 days ago
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Sinitic/Sino-Xenic conlang changes?

I'm not entirely sure which tag to use here, but let's try it like this?

Hello, fellow conlangers. If any of you have conlangs with Sino-Xenic readings, or are Sinitic languages themselves—I have a great >!(maybe)!< proposal for you.

Share your sound changes with me, and I >!(despite my inexperience)!< will try to convert all the terms reconstructed by Baxter and Sagart. Alternatively, I can create a Google Doc so that the conversion doesn’t go through an intermediary.

I'm not forcing anyone—this is purely a voluntary offer—and I apologize if it sounds like a bot wrote this post; I'm writing through a translator. My "writing English" is bad.

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u/Akkatos — 3 days ago
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I'm making a conlang that is like esperanto, give me some words from your native languages and I'll add them to the vocab.

I'm making a conlang that is like esperanto, but has loanwords from more than just basically Europe + is simpler to learn. I want vocabulary from all over the world to make it simple for everyone!

I'll update you guys after a while and give a slideshow on it, then if it does (hopefully) get popular, I'll make a subreddit that I'll update every so often to give you guys more vocab and resources to learn it!

I want world peace, hope, and connection, and I know that is a REALLY TALL order, but I believe it could happen just very slowly. I always say "The odds might be low, but never zero.". I just want a lingua franca or so to help with trade or countries like Papua new guinea that have lots of languages.

I appreciate every word you contribute, thank you dearly.

Edit: I'll probably regret saying this but I'm 12 btw. So please don't get mad at me for fantasies that'll never exist, idk what's possible and what's not.

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u/WearyAwareness7917 — 4 days ago

Is this ontological conlang doable? Struggling with lexical families and efficiency

The Problem

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The fundamental issue is that my conlang currently lacks a vocabulary. To resolve this, I am developing a semantic tree to serve as a framework for a systematic affix dictionary. However, l am hindered by a lack of available data. I am struggling to identify and categorise the lexical families needed to populate the tree.

Proposed Word Creation Workflow

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* Select a concept.

* Estimate its "informational weight" (based on universal frequency and complexity)

* Decompose the concept into semes (minimal units of meaning)

* Prioritize the 2-3 semes with the highest informational contribution.

* Map these semes through the semantic tree to find the corresponding affixes.

* Combining affixes to form words.

System Requirements

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To make this work, this conlang requires

* A Semantic tree: Acting as a conceptual dictionary that groups affixes by domain. (Later, I would aim to transform the semantic tree into semantic networks)

* Length-Weight Rules: Proposed rules to correlate word length with information density and usage frequency.

* Seme selection: To determine which semes are the most "informative" for a given word.

Why This System?

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I chose a semantic tree because it is the only way to ensure both logic and speed:

* Fast word generation: Once the tree is set, I can create thousands of words systematically rather than one by one.

* Phonotactic Constraints: My language has strict phonotactic rules that make borrowing words from natural languages impossible.

* Avoiding Inefficiency: Creating roots at random would result in an inefficient, disorganized lexicon. The tree ensures every sound has a purpose.

⚠️ Note on the Image:

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The attached image shows an incomplete semantic tree. It classifies concepts ontologically (by function and relationships), so the structure may appear unusual. It is still a work in progress and contains errors.

(About this conlang)

Why This Conlang?

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The goal is to create a language that outperforms natural languages in efficiency (It assumes a fluent or native speaker who regularly engages in reading, writing, and memorisation).

* Speed of Expression: It is designed to describe complex events in less time than natural languages, using a highly systematic structure.

* Optimized for Learning: Every feature is chosen to aid memory. It is regular, easy to pronounce, easy to read and write.

* Meaning through Association: Because words are built from logical affixes, you can deduce the meaning of an unknown word just by knowing its components.

* Emotional & Intellectual Depth: The nature of my conlang allows speakers to compress complex ideas—like nuanced emotions—into single words. It is intended as a tool for journaling and cognitive clarity, helping the user express complicated thoughts without writing long, winding paragraphs.

(About this conlang: The following is a vision I have of my own conlang)

What this Conlang does NOT aim to be:

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To clarify my design goals, it is important to distinguish this project from other types of constructed languages:

* Not a Pasigraphy: Unlike Ro or Solresol, words are not a literal "map" or "path" of the tree. They are composed of functional affixes.

* Not an Auxlang: This is not designed for international communication. It is a personal knowledge-management language designed to store information and aid individual cognition.

* Not Ithkuil: Whilst it can describe highly complex ideas—such as nuanced emotions or scientific concepts—it does not attempt to encode complex, hyper-detailed events in a single breath. The objective is speed rather than exhaustive precision. Unlike Ithkuil’s extreme density, this conlang imposes a strict limit on information per clause, ensuring the syntax remains straightforward and the structure simple to memorise.

* Not a loglang: I am not seeking to eliminate ambiguity. Polysemy and context are deliberately permitted to preserve simplicity. The language assumes the user understands the context of their own thoughts, allowing for a more fluid, natural expression.

* Not Toki Pona: Where Toki Pona uses a tiny vocabulary to simplify thought, my conlang utilises a vast and highly expansible lexicon to expand on people ideas.

* Not Sona: In Sona, words for distinct but related concepts, such as "dog" and "bear", may bear no phonetic resemblance. In my conlang, because of its ontological system, words within the same semantic category share visible and audible patterns. This allows for immediate categorisation and better mental filing.

❓ Questions

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* Is this approach to vocabulary creation workable?

* Is my conlang actually doable?

* Do you have any other suggestions for building vocabulary in a systematic way?

* Any thoughts on creating a conlang that both benefits the speaker and strengthens their cognitive skills?

u/LilTony_36 — 4 days ago

My first semi-succesful conlang.

Prologue:

This conlang is based on my native language: Afrikaans.

I like how it turned out and it seems to me that it is the first semi-successful conlang, that I have made, maybe because most of the vocab is largely derived from Afrikaans and thus the entire vocab is in my head already.

Name: Nuutze Dialekt

Alphabet:

Standard Latin alphabet + ä ö ü

Vowels: a e i o u ä ö ü

Genders: The classic three.

Cases: Nom, Acc, Dat, Gen, and Vocative case.

Declensions: Masc. = -er, -t, -dt, -n

Fem. = -e, -ie.

Neut. = -t, -dt, -z.

(These are all I could think of at the moment.

Articles:

Articles are the core of this conlang, but I do apologize for the Nominative row.

Masc. Fem. Neut.

Nom. Der Die Das

Acc. Des Dies Dar

Dat. Dim Dier Däm

Gen. Der Des Dier

Een - Masc.

Ene - Fem.

Eent - Neut.

Adjectives:

-z

-ze

-zig

-ig

-lik

-iepf (deppressing = deppresiepf)

The vocative case will not yet be introduced, neither will the rest of this conlang until 50 upvotes are given me, in that way, I know that my conlang is being appreciated.

Goodbye :)

u/tyres1234 — 2 days ago

Any South Americans into making conlangs (a priori -or- posteriori) based on indigenous languages in their countries/regions?

I’m curious what you guys like to focus on. Especially grammatically; I’m more into lexicon and phonology unfortunately but trying to get a stronger understanding of grammar.

Being into South American languages is rare enough as-is, so anyone can reply but I’m especially curious about people that want to make projects (including projects beyond conlangs) based on indigenous cultures where they are.

For context I am a white American. Some items on my lexicon/phonology bucket list are:

  1. Making the bilabial trill more common in hypothetical future/past Wari’ (or Chapacuran generally). Maybe Piraha or another language with sounds that could coalesce realistically into a bilabial trill (consonant clusters of some kind)
  2. Giving Pilaga more Caucasian **or** Afroasiatic phonotactics to go with its pharyngeal fricative
  3. Giving some Moxos language native vocabulary for complex administration and modern technology, probably Movima because of its implosives
  4. Making some Macro-Ge language with initial consonant clusters look slightly more Austroasiatic or Slavic phonotactically (also Daw from Nadahup because it has a lot of glottalization)

Also, for an example of South American grammatical feature that inspired me to add something to an a priori conlang checklist: the mythological past-tense in Kawesqar. I want to create a language where a similar tense gets semantically bleached in typical speech register to just be an uncertainty marker for past tense.

Podemos hablar en español tambien, si quieres. Necesito practicar.

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u/ChiqantiKisaal — 4 days ago
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Is anyone interested in my idea?

Basically, I was thinking that we should create an Esperantido but instead of it being an IAL it should be like a naturalistic language. In other terms: "what if Esperanto evolved naturally from Latin?" What would the language be like? What would their culture be like? These are all questions I'm keen on answering. So I'll set up a Discord server and for those who are interested in joining I will then DM you the link to it. I'm also making my own Romlang on the side so it'll be interesting to compare and contrast with that. Ok byeeeee

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u/Pliny_The_Elder_1789 — 3 days ago
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Okrand Atlantean Language New Translation

Okrand Atlantean Language New Translation 

I made this in 2020. It translates a text from the Epic of Son-Jara from Timbuktu in West Africa.

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Here is the whole thing online:

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2020/07/new-texts-in-okrand-atlantean-with.html?view=flipcard&m=1

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Here s also some unused concept art from the movie and c 1500s West African art with English and Okrand Atlantean text added by me. Parliament and Fire Marshall Bill are 1970s and 1990s pop culture references. Most of these images are directly or indirectly fire-themed.

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Text A, Page B.

He went then and gave the pouch of gold to the Tunkara Patriarch, Prince Tunkara of Mema, saying they should cast the sigi.  When Son-Jara returned from the bush ...

Okrand Atlantean Language:

Ab toy-imot gim

Nartak-wer Metad-tem Nartak-lant-ag deg

Peyes-tem Nartak-wer-ag

gom

sedig-tem hakek-ag nuh-imot.

Yer-en-tem serih-setoh bet reg-e.

Dos Aktirak-wer dulal-tem ga digad-imot

...

Ancient Africa Conlang:

A-li-enda ndipo na a-li-toa-a vyombo dhahabu-aa

kwa Cchumvi Ttunkara-aa,

Mwana-wa-mfalme Tunkara Mema-aa,

da-sema wa-wi-adhiri vi=kuku.

Son-Jara a-po-achana a-toka.kwa ny=ika

...

Notes:

"Mèma: The land where Son-Jara lives in exile from the Manden. In several particulars, Mèma resembles Medina, where the prophet Mohammed lived in exile while he prepard to overtake Mecca."

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/\~jgr6/203/unit10/jara\_characters.html

Tunkara:  This kingdom is apparently ruled by the Tunkara family.

cast the sigi: This is a trial by fire to determine if warriors are not related and so able to face eachother upon the battle field.  Both grab metal bracelets out of a pot of burning potash and put them on.

u/PreparationRound2657 — 6 days ago

Give me some word ideas and I’ll add þem to my conlang!

I’ve not been able to get þe will and focus to continue my conlang, so I þought þat making a fun activity could help me continue.

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u/LepartydeLuigi64 — 5 days ago