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Image 1 — Spikes under hifi equipment – understanding when they work and when they’re just audiophile performative cosplay
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Spikes under hifi equipment – understanding when they work and when they’re just audiophile performative cosplay

I see this constantly. The classic audiophile stack. Turntable on a butcher block or marble platform, platform on hifi stand/furniture, everything spiked at every junction. Looks serious. Mostly isn’t.

Let me break down the actual physics because this matters.

Where spikes have a genuine use case...
Suspended timber floors with carpet. That’s basically it. The goal there is to penetrate the carpet and underlay and find the structural layer beneath, which stops the speaker rocking on a compliant surface. That’s a real problem with a real solution. I’ll give spikes that.

Where spikes are actively wrong...
Concrete floors. Concrete resonates. The frequencies are higher than timber but it absolutely has modal behaviour. Spiking into concrete couples your speaker directly into those resonances with minimal damping. You haven’t isolated anything, you’ve just changed which resonances you’re exciting. Decoupling platforms with correctly rated compliant material is the physically correct approach on any rigid substrate.

Electronics...
No. A solid state DAC does not care about floor vibration. Neither does a power amplifier. There is no mechanism. No studio in the world spikes their SSL console or their outboard rack and nobody in professional audio loses sleep over it. This is purely a consumer audiophile phenomenon driven by accessory manufacturers and confirmation bias.

The one partial exception is high gain valve stages and MC phono stages, which are genuinely microphonic. I run Sorbothane feet under my WiiM Ultra specifically because the MC phono stage is sensitive and it makes a measurable audible difference. That’s physics working as expected. But the mechanism there is decoupling, not spiking.

Turntables...
Yes, isolation platforms are justified. The stylus is a mechanical sensor with zero rejection of external vibration. Acoustic and structural feedback into the cartridge is real and measurable. But the correct interface material between platform and surface is compliant, not a spike. Spikes into marble is coupling into marble’s resonant modes. Sorbothane feet into the same marble is breaking the transmission path. These are not equivalent and they don’t produce the same result.

What spiking actually does when people report it “working”...
It changes the coupled resonant behaviour of the stack. That changes the colouration of the sound. It’s a tone control. If you preferred the result, fine, but that’s a preference not a fidelity improvement, and misidentifying the mechanism matters because it leads to worse decisions downstream.

The tell...
Anyone stacking components with spikes at every junction while claiming physics-based reasoning hasn’t done the physics. The aesthetic signals seriousness. The mechanism doesn’t hold up. Those are different things and conflating them is how this hobby ends up full of expensive nonsense.

Get the load calculation right for whatever compliant material you use. Decouple on rigid substrates. Save the spikes for carpet. Spend your money on things that actually matter.

Anyone telling you different is selling something or mentally inflexible and driven by dogma.

u/bfeebabes — 3 hours ago
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KEF LS 50 W II. LLM is saying I am "choking" the speakers and killing the soundstage by keeping them that close to the monitor. Is it true? Currently its a proper equilateral triangle to my seating position btw.

u/SlaveKnightSoman — 5 hours ago

Done collecting albums and CDs...are you?

OK, I have a fair number of albums and a smaller number of CDs. I have a really nice Technics 1200GR2, a Phasemation phono amp and cartridge, a stellar Accuphase E480 amp, and a very competent set of PMC Prophesy 9 speakers. My CD player is passable with the Audiolabs 8300 CD.

However, my streaming setup (I use an RPi channeled into the USB in on my CD player) and I get excellent sound from Tidal and other streaming source inputs that frankly, sound just as rich and present as the LP analog source and raw CD playback. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a Holo Audio MKT DAC to juice my digital processing capability (versus put more into my analog LP rig)

I see no reason to keep shelling out $$ to add to my LP or CD collection given that it takes a good bit of time to accumulate as well as I have to deal with the upkeep and the storage solutions. With a few exceptions, I've found everything I am interested in listening to via stream. I also save a ton of time and can actually spend time listening versus chasing.

I can't be alone in this quandary! I'm curious at what point in their own audiophile journey do people hit this marker and why they either agree and stop the collection growth or they ignore it and continue to chase LPs and CDs of interest.

I've been into audio for a long time, but only in the last couple of years have I taken steps to build out my system to the point where it's very capable and provides a very nice listening environment.

How about you? Prioritizing "Collect" or "Stream".

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u/chrisdavis103 — 5 hours ago

Speaker upgrade time!

I decided it was time to upgrade from my "lifestyle speakers" (Definitive Technology Mythos ST) that I purchased as floor models from Bjorn's here in San Antonio, TX in 2010. They were playing double duty for a while as home theater (LR with a Mythos Ten as C; now all PowerSoundAudio) and stereo speakers in our media room and single duty more recently as stereo speakers in our living room. I've had both sub amps blow; first one was covered under warranty in 2016 (outside of warranty coverage, mind you) and the second one blew last year way out of warranty and they're now hard to get parts for. I've enjoyed them for the most part, but as I'm sure many might agree, the bass sounds a bit artificial, heavy/boomy, and these cabinets were designed to look great (and I think they do, IMO) and modern vs sound great given the lack of cabinet space.

I chose the Mofi Sourcepoint 888 for a few of reasons: primarily because of the overwhelmingly positive reviews, they're in my price range, and positioning doesn't matter as much for imaging since I have limited space to play with given our odd living room layout.

I just had them delivered today (purchased from Crutchfield Scratch and Dent at a discount with not a single scratch or dent) and I have to say, I'm very pleased so far after listening to them for 3+ hours (I listened to a mix of jazz, classical, Celtic, rock, metal and a bit of rap). The highs are crisp and clear, great mid-bass, and enough low-end that I don't think I'll need a subwoofer in the room. I'm also very pleased with the room filling sound and the pretty forgiving imaging moving to different spots out of the MLP on the couch. Both the wife and I will have to get used to the size compared to the slim DTs, but I think they look great and very high quality.

Ignore the somewhat randomly placed decorations, missing mantel and cabinet doors as we just finished a remodel of our living room and still have some finishing touches (I'm building new doors for the cabinets and finishing a spalted pecan slab for the mantle).

u/zeefarmer — 8 hours ago

Office system complete (for now).

Through a trade, I’ve ended up with a set of Zu DWX Supremes. They’re pretty fun.

I did not like them with a tube amp. They seem to need an amp with a higher damping factor to sound right to my ear.

I paired them with an Atoll IN200 Evo (120w into 8 ohms) and a semi-vintage Sonic Frontiers SFD-1 Mk2 R2R DAC with a tube bufffed output.

It’s a really nice sounding combo. Not as detailed or neutral as my main system, but really musical with most music, and it’s pleasant for NIN and other less “audiophile” recordings.

These work well in a 10x10x7.5’ space but would probably work in a bigger room with a sub.

u/ChrisMag999 — 8 hours ago

I can finally decisively say I prefer headphones over speakers.

I've had my HD6XX for a few years now and love them to bits. Recently I purchased the Edifier MR3, and they sound excellent too... but in a different way. Oh and both are powered from my Topping DX3 Pro+ DAC.

The best way I can describe it is that with the speakers it feels like I'm physically there, listening to whatever is playing. I'm also painfully aware of the direction the audio is coming from, which I find kind of annoying and distracting. Though I suppose that's just my preference.

With my headphones it feels like the music is playing directly from inside my skull, as if it is my brain who's playing back the audio file from within. I feel at one with the music, if you will. I think I deeply prefer this, as it feels so immersive, and it feels like I can hear every little intricate detail.

Outside of music like in 3D games, the L/R separation combined with modern audio engines further enhances this immersiveness. It feels like I'm the center of the universe : D

I'm no audiophile by any means, so please go easy on me 😅

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u/keppycs — 10 hours ago

I should be happy. But...is it the speakers?

https://preview.redd.it/1h9mjum2d52h1.jpg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b1609df0a810e7acab2161a25078eafadcb1c37

So, yes, it's a first world problem, but I'd appreciate some advice. I've always loved music but family, work etc took over, made some terrible selling decisions (e.g. selling an EAR 834 phono stage) and sort of worked my way back to here.

- Michell Gyrodec

- Linn Majik DSM/3 (with the Gyro going straight into the built in phono stage)

- Tascam CD200

- Cyrus One Linear speakers

The problem I have is that I just think this should sound better than it does. When I go into my local hifi place, kit in broadly the same price range sounds FAR better, so I'm wondering where best to go next.

The turntable was set up properly in situ by the guys from the shop when I bought the DSM, and I have to say I absolutely love the Tascam - must be the best bargain in hi fi history. But, overall, I just feel that it doesn't hang together.

I did, of course, commit all the sins I would warn other people about - I didn't test any of it together, the Gyro was bought because I've loved the look of it for 40 years, the Linn was a bargain, and the Cyrus speakers were a half-price online special.

So - any advice very welcome. Is it just badly chosen kit? I've wondered about replacing the speakers with Neat Iota Alphas, as I don't necessarily want something that's going to dominate the room, or whether the DSM would play better with a pair of Linn 109s. But entirely open to suggestion....

Edited to add photo of setup - thought I'd done it first time!

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u/Purple-Pie4283 — 15 hours ago

RSL 12S Powerbuy

Hi, I'm putting together a powerbuy discount through RSL. If you are interested let me know. I only need a few more people and we can go ahead and activate the 24 hour purchase window.

Basically the way it works is they will give us a certain number of slots to reach a discount. They will give us a unique discount code that can be used to purchase directly through their website. DM me if interested.

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u/ev1slobokova — 8 hours ago

Can I hang out here?

...or is this too ghetto?

Johnny Cash-ed this new to me setup as an upgrade to the Philips stereo console (bsr c129r) I was using/started with.

Thorens TD160 MKii

Kenwood 3090

Celestion Ditton 33

Things aren't in their final resting place and I still have some tweaking to do but my space isn't that large and this system fills it nicely while remaining tactile and user friendly.

I also grabbed a Pioneer PL500 but I have some work to do before it spins a record.

If nothing else, I hope you enjoy my amateur photography.

u/Mindless_Response564 — 13 hours ago

What’s Next?

Hi Folks,

First off, a huge thanks to everyone with inputs on my previous posts as I start on this audio journey.

My system as of now: Macintosh MA352, Node Icon, Rel S550, and B&W CM9s. Considering a standalone DAC and a CD player soon but neither a huge priority.

I started the room treatments. I have two (not pictured) 48x24x4 at the first rejection points on the ceiling and on the side. I’m in contact with GIK and deciding if I need dispersion in the rest of the room to improve my soundstage. Also looking into additional corner traps. I think I’m struggling with some fluttering.

My room is 16’x10’x8’. The CM9s really need volume to sound great. I’m at the updating/upgrading point for my speakers. My first question is given the size of the room, are floors too big? I don’t want to go to big and constantly fight with them.

Lastly, do any of you have any experience with Arendal speakers or other direct to consumer audio? I just recently came across them online but I don’t know anyone that has them. Seem like a good deal but I get very nervous not being able to hear them first.

I know there’s a lot to unpack in this, feel free to comment on any portion. I greatly appreciate everyone’s experience and input.

Cheers!

u/Virtual_Insanity_One — 17 hours ago

Simple end-game living room/kitchen system

  • Lenovo tiny PC running Linux and MusicPD
  • Android tablet running MAFA as a controller
  • Topping D50 III
  • Buckeye 1ET6525SA
  • Dynaudio Contour 60 speakers

The DAC and amp were researched on ASR - I've been beyond happy with them both. Managed to snag the amp for $700. The speakers were a local find - it's pretty hard to sell speakers that weigh 200 pounds each when crated up - got them for just under $3k USD.

Aside from integrating CamillaDSP in the audio chain to handle a bit of PEQ and room correction, there's little else I want to do with it.

u/E39M5S62 — 16 hours ago

Anyone want to tell me what I have here?

Sister gave it to me because they are "impossibly ugly". They're from her father-in-law's old Chicago penthouse. He was an opera singer and an audio enthusiast. I'm looking to get rid of them, but I don't really know their worth. They work fine except for one of the drivers in the left speaker buzzes at high volume.

https://preview.redd.it/joyxxfvwx32h1.jpg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc27350bd4b253d87a8c656ab0f2584675017791

https://preview.redd.it/r5un6gvwx32h1.jpg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=232066f71cf1a16a281e509e219a3b6f539df035

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u/FiniteFinesse — 19 hours ago

Logitech Z-5500 Digital and SB AE-7 is surprisingly great

This logitech Z-5500 was given to me and it sat for a couple of years waiting for a use. Meanwhile, I bought a Sound Blaster AE-7 when I built my gaming PC a few years ago against the recommendations of my friends who pushed me to just use the onboard PC audio. I'm glad I ignored them.

I finally connected the two and with Spotify lossless I am speechless. I'm just running it in 3.1 on my desk. I figured this would sound good, but this is really, really good. I'm listening to a playlist of highly regarded masterings and It's distracting me from work. The sound is crisp, clear, and I'm hearing individual instruments as if they're right next to me.

Most of my systems are vintage equipment, so this is a very new experience for me. Wow.

u/ChicagoThrowaway422 — 19 hours ago

Latest Estate Haul!

Picked up a pair of ELAC Uni-Fi Reference UBR62 bookshelves + UCR52 center for $400 & a Furman Elite Power Conditioner + Douk VU meter for an extra $100.

This is more than I normally like to spend, but it felt like too good of a opportunity not to.

I'll be upgrading from JBL Stage A130 bookshelves and JBL Studio 520C center.

Going to take a bit to get everything set up but I'm excited to hear how they sound!

u/Michaelk50 — 21 hours ago

What’s your endgame? Have you gotten there yet? Did you tell yourself you were there and then immediately find something else to obsess over?

Not even two months ago I was telling my wife “this is it. This is the system’s final form. We did it!”

Oh, sweet summer child…

Today I bought the Modwright Analog Bridge Tube Buffer. And I’ve already been looking at upgrading my headphone amp.

Is there really an endgame? Is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Do I even want to get there?

Acoustic Foam Question

Hey guys I’m a cellist looking to buy some acoustic foam in order to cut down on some of the reverberation in my room. However I also thought it might be a unique experiment to set up some rollable acoustic foam, hang it up curtain style and then position it so that it’s right in front of me. I have no knowledge of how these panels work and was wondering if you guys think this would cause a drier sound from my instrument rather than positioning panels around the room.

I’m aware that setting up panels is the best way to go but I’m just curious if what im thinking about would even work.

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u/juuyggvbko — 19 hours ago

"Skipping" issues with brand new Marantz CD6007

I can't post to r/Marantz, so I'll ask this here.

I bought a brand new Marantz CD6007 a few months ago (my first proper hi-fi/premium setup) here in Germany, and pretty quickly, I noticed that it sometimes “skips” CDs. By “skip”, I don’t mean it jumps forward in the track - it’s more like the sound cuts out for a brief moment, almost as if somebody muted or turned off the speakers (Q Acoustics M20) for half a second.

At first, I thought it only happened with used CDs, even though most of them were bought in very good condition. Since I didn’t really want to get into cleaning discs all the time, I started buying brand new CDs instead - but the issue still happens, although not with every CD. Weirdly, I have a feeling it happens more often with certain bands.

I know this probably sounds bizarre, but I had a very similar experience with vinyl and certain bands - especially The Strokes. Almost every Strokes vinyl I bought (on an Audio-Technica AT-LP60XUSB) had some kind of defect in exactly the same spot on the record. I exchanged some albums multiple times, both through Amazon and Rough Trade, including different pressings (black and coloured vinyl), and the defect was always in the same place. Really strange. And now I’m noticing similar issues with several of their CDs, too.

But, it’s not only The Strokes.

At first I suspected the Marantz only did this at higher volumes, but later I realised that volume doesn’t seem to matter.

I asked ChatGPT about it after it happened a few times, and it suggested that it was probably caused by micro-damage or dirt on used CDs, recommending cleaning them with a microfibre cloth. I tried that, and it didn’t really help - and, as I said, it also happens with some brand new discs.

So now I’m wondering:

  • is something wrong with the Marantz CD6007?
  • could this be a laser/reading issue?
  • could it somehow be related to the speakers or cables instead?
  • or am I just incredibly unlucky with physical media?

Has anyone experienced something similar or has any suggestions?

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u/Dinamitel — 18 hours ago

How good/bad are old Sony Blu-ray players at playing SACDs?

I never tested my trusty BDP-S480 (from 2011) with super audio CDs. It's plugged into an SMSL AO300 Pro amp via HDMI. Just wondering.

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u/uzi187 — 1 day ago