r/ProjectEdensGarden

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectEdensGarden/comments/1sa5aun/removed_by_moderator/ - original post.

You can read some of the comments to get a little context. I do have the entire thing saved on a notepad (I had an instinct to give it a little credit, I guess), but I don't think I'm allowed to post about it.

EDIT: I don't have time to respond to all the DM requests, so I'm just gonna post it anyways. Full text:

hi. fuck it. im a staff member on pjeg. im not gonna give any more info abt me bc i don't want the staff to hurt me

every1's just pretending 2 b outraged. only a few people actually give a shit. the rest r downplaying faza and sozzay's shit bc they think they can still salvage this n keep going w a recast 4 mark. they've done it b4 they'll do it again if they can. fuck u. here's the death order.

ch2: jean tries to kill damon. actually kills ulysses. wenona's entire redemption arc takes place in this one ch.

ch3: toshiko kills kai n immediately feels bad abt it. tozu and mara help her hide it bc she's a kid. they start redemtpion arcs

ch4: mark tries to kill himself. accidentally kills ingrid. jett sees his little brother in mark. then gets a weird yaoi moment bc yay incest ig.

ch5: desmond actually khs and it's jst a ripoff of nagito from drv2. trial has special rules where not voting ends the game. mastermind votes for eloise and gets her executed

ch6: cassidy's mm. she hates ultimates bc her friend abby killd hrself because she didn't get into the school n started a cult over it which wear animal masks and thts the only way the christian shit ties in2 this. damon n cass die. tozu and mara save every1 else. diana cries over damon's corpse n it ends with those survivors

fuck u pjeg staff for protecting pedos. bye

BE AWARE OF POTENTIAL SPOILERS HERE. i got the info from various twitter pics. I can’t blur all their names because I’m on mobile. I’m not saying these leaks are automatically true- im more analyzing the reasonableness of the scenarios presented by the same leaks.

If real, some of this makes a lot more sense than people are claiming. They really aren’t that bad if we consider what we know already and make a few reasonable inferences. They just sound bad because we read it instead of playing it for three hours. Imagine if we read ch. 3 of danganronpa 1 instead of playing it: “Celeste falsely accuses Taka of SA to Hifumi. Hifumi instantly goes to kill Taka in a robot suit. While chaos ensues, Celeste causes a diversion and kills Hifumi when everyone is absent. She does this because he knew her real name was Yasuhiro.” Not so good without playthrough, right?

But yeah, here’s my thoughts on the PJEG leaks.

Chapter 2- Victim makes complete sense, his death by this exact tactic was foreshadowed in chapter 1, and Culprit isnt difficult to make reasonable

I think it makes total sense for Ulysses to be a victim, particularly of poison. I knew he would die to either poison or fire from the very second he told us in Ch. 1, while standing in the pharmacy, that he has little to no sense of smell. It makes him a wildly easier target because he would be far slower to sense the danger than the average person, if he senses it at all. You might think he’d at least taste the poison, but assuming it wasnt tasteless/odorless, the senses of smell and taste are rather closely related. You know how we lose our taste/our sense of taste is extremely muted when we’re extremely congested or sick? Studies show that our sense of smell is actually responsible for about 80% of what we taste. It’s the same interconnected sensory system. He probably wouldn’t taste it either, which makes him the perfect poisoning victim.

Why Jean apparently does it, idk. However, it does make sense for a potential drug dealer to kill someone with what I imagine is a drug he managed to formulate from the items in the pharmacy. I’m gonna go back after posting this and see whether Jean was in the same place as us when Ulysses told us about his sense of smell. Jean would have to know somehow, unless the poisoning is an extreme coincidence.

Plus, those “I’m the leader” types never tend to survive the whole game. If true that the drug dealer thing is an actual thing, maybe it’s a longstanding drug empire that Jean “inherited”from his parents, such that its existence is documented, and Ulysses connects or starts connecting dots from historical pieces he’s read. Jean strikes me as a prideful person and I can see why he might kill to keep that secret, since it might impact whether hes seen as a good leader, and thats his entire identity.

Ch. 3- Culprit is unfortunate but could be reasonable with more context, victim is reasonable with the limited context in the leak and the information we have currently from the actual game

The Ch. 3 traitor perk sounds like a Survivor advantage. Lol. It makes sense for Damon to tempt Kai with the apple, his snakey self. Not like he has anyone else to put that on, and theyre roommates, they’re somewhat closer now. they probably grow even closer in ch 2. So the victim here does make sense narratively based on this perk, because i dont know who else Damon would give this to without getting his ass kicked.

But I’m upset about the culprit, just personally, because I wanted Toshiko to live soooo badly. Ugh. I really loved the support convo with the turtle sledding. Idk why she’d bash him over the head with an appliance, but maybe she used a two-handed murder method to cast suspicion away from herself. “It couldn’t be me, I’m always holding my fan, I couldnt push the appliance with just one hand.” Or maybe the heavy appliance was suspended by a rope, which she cut from above with her fan. Who knows. Maybe its super fucking sharp. And the leak suggests it was intentional but maybe it was an accident (coping). Like if you’re pushing a fridge from the back, and accidentally push it out the window and it crushes someone on the sidewalk?

Her motive is hard to theorize or characterize just because I’d have thought, from what we’ve seen, that toshiko would go tell someone else rather than taking matters into her own hands. Maybe it’s as simple as fear, after she realized this situation was happening between damon and kai, knowing she had to act or she’d die along with everyone else. I imagine she must just be on edge because facially, she’s one of the easiest targets at this point. I get it. I sure as shit would be scared in her position. And If Kai really was forced into killing by Damon with this perk, with 0 options, I DO think he’d target Toshiko. Because, again, it’s the easiest/one of the easiest options. Who else could Kai’s inept ass plan to kill?

I can’t think of a reason without context that tozu and mara step down at this point and join the killing game. They mustve really pissed the mastermind off.

Chapter 4 is maybe the least reasonable narratively because it requires a lot of conjecture, but with context, this could have the potential to be a very tragic but thoughtful and emotional chapter.

Alright, this one’s hard, but i suspend disbelief in light of us not getting to actually play the game and see their interactions develop over time.

It’s not terribly hard to envision, i guess. With Mark’s standoffish and insecure nature that we see in his FTEs, I can see how he’d silently grow to admire Jett’s outgoing and social nature. If the meth addict thing is true, given mark was alone in the concept art, maybe he was given up on by his family due to the addiction and in turn, he initially rejected Jett’s attempts to get close, but grew to love him for his positivity and steadfast belief in him. But possibly misconstrued Jett’s intentions, and when Jett let him down—even if he did so as gently and respectfully as possible and made clear nothing would change between them, their friendship would always be there—Mark might still feel the abandonment he sought to avoid in the first place, and thats why he was going to kill himself with Jett’s helmet and a bomb. “Everyone I love will leave me, and it’s my fault.”

The fact that Ingrid winds up dead because she was saving him is in character for her, and could suggest a kinship of a kind with Mark in this respect. Maybe Ingrid suffered the same abandonment, or addiction, or somehow otherwise relates to Mark’s feelings of isolation. Or maybe once again, Mark is saved by someone whos sociable and likeable, only to watch them die right before his eyes from a bomb of his own creation meant to kill himself. I don’t think she intended to die when she tried saving him, but watching him grapple with whether she’d hate him from beyond the grave for it, and knowing she wouldn’t, it honestly couldve been really good.

I can see why people might be mad about unrequited yaoi, especially with one of the most popular mlm ships in this game and if it’s portrayed as bait, but I think with the theme of self-isolation and self-harm this chapter really did have potential to tell a tragically realistic story. I think if it were told correctly it would really show how self isolation and self destruction can hurt someone and the people that care about them. And I think it’s a heroic and fitting end for Ingrid.

[Or maybe I read Mark too positively. Maybe he elects to use a bomb and Jetts helmet to frame Jett, and get everyone killed. Who knows in these games. In any case it’s all conjecture, assuming they grow to be friends in chapters we wont get to see.]

Chapter 5- We really should’ve anticipated this culprit and victim combo, its substantially consistent with the information we have as of now

Desmond kills himself, and Eloise executed by proxy. They connected over similar traumas of some sort, so he felt most comfortable with her being the one to kill him so she could be the one to survive.

Their concept art alone makes this somewhat make sense. Desmond literally being speared multiple times in what looks like pseudocrucifixion, Eloise running from what is likely herself to show how close the “predator” inside of her is to the “prey.” It’d be fair to say the line between hunter and hunted is very close if Eloise is an unwitting culprit.

I’m not sure how he accomplished a suicide but managed to, in the end, shift the COD to something Eloise would cause. Then again, the murders themselves in danganronpa aren’t known for their realism, so I don’t view this as a problem without context.

Maybe Eloise removed a blunt object he stabbed himself with from his body? Often when you’re stabbed, you are told that if you can, keep the instrument completely still within the wound instead of taking it out, because the instrument itself is functioning as a plug to keep you from bleeding out. So if she instinctively tries to remove the instrument from him, she would accelerate exsanguination and effectively have “delivered the final blow” to make her the murderer.

Or more broadly, if she did anything in an attempt to help him that actually ended up hurting him, she would be deemed either the principal blackened or a double blackened with himself as the other culprit. Sort of like how if you find a person on the side of the road after being hit by a car and you, trying to help, moved them and you somehow got them hit by another car or something, they could sue you (absent a good samaritan law, which I doubt exists here).

I can see this being mischaracterized too, and rather than suicide/proxy, they pulled a haruhiko/Satsuki. Eloise ended up killing him before he could kill her, which makes sense because (1) she’d be a moving target, which we know limits Desmond’s ability to use his ultimate talent, and (2) her FTEs demonstrate her own abilities in terms of combat.

Chapter 6- I do like the Mastermind actually. And the victim dying makes sense if they played on his Pride.

Forcing Damon to prove he isnt a coward by killing himself is probably far clearer in context, but we dont have it. Since he has a lot of allegorical connections to Lucifer, I can see his final actions being rooted in Pride. I bet you it was something like, “you have to believe itll happen when you die, and believe the people you see as inferior will come to the truth without you.” Basically forcing him to accept Diana’s hope before he dies and she becomes the protagonist. Why he blows himself the fuck up, no clue. I guess it’s fast, if nothing else.

I had already theorized Cassidy would be the mastermind because of the one picture with her as a spider with her mouth taped. The spider web thing, in any case. But I figured it was because she was an apathetic and aggressively bored psychopath who was livestreaming the game to her fans, and letting them vote on motives and such to give the players. The leaks suggest that instead, she was motivated by her resentment of ultimates because her friend was overworked by the UTP. Does this make Cassidy something of a fake communist? Yeah, being that she targets the people rather than the establishment. I’ve seen a lot of people mad at this and the potential conflict with her communist ideology/theme.

Then again, Cassidy cannot unilaterally destroy the establishment as long as ultimates are paying into it and supporting it. It’s more realistic, albeit in conflict with that ideology, to thin the herd of people upholding the establishment than to kill figureheads who’d immediately be replaced. The establishment dies when there is no more support, and the support comes from those who actively engage with it. You cannot kill the country, so kill the soldiers fighting for it.

But I also think Cassidy might hate the ultimates themselves and view them as the establishment itself, a group that sees themselves and is treated as above the common working class because of their talents, and she might view killing them as effectively killing the establishment.

Plus, have you noticed the vast majority of ultimates are dickheads? It’s possible the pressure her friend was under was driven by elitism within the ultimates themselves, by and against ultimates they saw as less “worthy.” Her friend mightve been one of the ones deemed to have a less worthy talent, they mightve bullied her, and that might be why she targets them. I’d think this is supported by how when they all ganged up on Eva just for having an ultimate talent they saw as nerdy, she didn’t participate to make fun, and invited her to the video game tournament/complimented her taste even when she was being ostracized.

Or Cassidy could’ve gone with the theme of communism to gain traction with fans and ensure a less cancellable persona of herself was portrayed to the public. She couldve picked “Cassidy’s comrades” for her fans for as simple a reason as alliteration and kept up the theme. Or finally, and more probably, Cassidy could just be a massive fucking hypocrite and advocate her beliefs only when it doesn’t conflict with something she wants, making her similar to most political figures regardless of their espoused ideology and a more unfortunately realistic 19 year old experiencing grief (even if the starting of a killing game is itself inherently unrealistic).

Leaks also suggest that Wolfgang’s dad set it all up, and that his dad bought his talent or forced it onto him (I guess hes the one who gassed the train). I think the both could make more sense given Cassidys apparent motivations. If he bought it, people are using arbitrary titles to hold themselves above others and create a pseudo caste system that got her friend killed. If he forced it, she witnessed what likely amounted to lifelong abuse to force a talent to the end of upholding that same pseudo caste. it could also be a mix of both- his dad forced him to hone a talent and funded it significantly by way of specialized tutoring and practice.

Narratively they already hinted at a connection between wolfgang and cassidy with that picture from chapter one, wolfgang’s blackmail, with the red haired woman that looked virtually identical to Cassidy. The picture was dated from April 2001, so it’s definitely his dad and her mother, something like that. I assume from their age that they are biological siblings. Interestingly, if they are siblings, they mirror the Mukuro/Junko death sequence in THH. This would lead me to believe Wolfgang was initially helping her. Would make sense given his potential abuse to become an ultimate at all.

I anticipated Grace surviving because of how important she was in the first chapters. I did not think Wenona would but it actually makes sense given she is the antithesis to anything Cassidy stands for as of chapter 1. She likely develops in terms of her approach to business and maybe her elitist attitude. I didnt know whether Diana would live, but I’m glad she did.

So I myself haven't personally read over the leaks yet, so me arguing whether they are worth talking about is kinda pointless.

That's fine, though, because that's not what I want to talk about.

Why are people in the community so quick to absolutely dunk on anything else related to Project: Eden's Garden in favor of the petition?

I get it— Real victims were hurt. MINORS and people who truly cared about this project were put into positions they frankly NEVER should have been in. Even the project as a whole is effectively dead in the water unless they decide to keep going in spite of everything. It's important that we make sure that those responsible are held accountable for their actions, which is why the petition was created in the first place.

That's literally my whole theme as a person and as an online personality, so that part makes sense to me.

What doesn't make sense to me is that every post I see talking about literally anything other than the Faza situation, people are jumping on other people because they're "being distracted from the petition" or "you're doing harm to the project because it could be spoilers."

Like, what? Are we just not allowed to talk about anything other than the Faza situation anymore?

And distracted from the petition? I'm sure that plenty of people who are in the community know about the Faza situation by now. The Project Eden's Garden Twitter page has over 58k people following them and out of them, 16k people have signed the signature. This situation happened weeks ago and it even leaked over into some other fandoms and we're STILL feeling the effects of it, but progress on the petition has noticeably slowed.

Let's be real for a second. Petitions like this RARELY work, if ever. You want to see some real change?

Write to the companies Faza is employed at or could be employed at.

Talk to anyone who might have worked with him about what he did to a minor and tell them to pass it on to those with more authority than him.

VAs make most of their money from making appearances and doing autograph signings at conventions— contact any and all conventions you can to get him blacklisted.

I would never endorse going after someone in such a manner. While I truly believe that a monster like that shouldn't be allowed to roam free, I'm also not going to limit what I talk about just to push the petition, especially when I've long since signed and basically forced my friends to sign.

Faza was a pedo when this all came out and even before then.

He is a pedo today still.

He'll more than likely be a pedo tomorrow.

And the petition isn't going anywhere, nor will people forget what he's done to this project, nor the people who aided him, so me personally, I'm checking out those leaks and if they're worth talking about, I'll talk about 'em.

My heart truly goes out to the victims of Faza as well as the fans and staff who wanted to see this special project come to life. I know the staff especially are still in recovery mode after finding out everything around the same time we did.

However, I personally don't want to keep harping on the negatives and am actively choosing to focus on the positives. I'll keep talking about the project, making my P:EG videos, do what I can to keep the project alive until the true final nail— the team's decision— is put into the coffin.

TL;DR: Stop policing others just because they're not making the Faza situation their whole life. He's already out the community and out of the project. Though that's enough for most people, just because they want to talk about something else, that doesn't mean they don't care any less about the project.

Kia gets killed by Toshiko? Um?

MARK TRIES TO BLOW HIS HEAD UP WITH JETT'S HELMET AFTER A LOVE CONFESSION?! AND INGRID PICKS IT UP INSTEAD AND DIES?!

DESMOND DIES FOR ELOISE AND SHE STILL DIES?! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT FOR?!

DAMON HAS TO KILL HIMSELF TO EXPOSE THE MASTERMIND? UM...

THE HOSTS JOIN THE GAME AND LIVE!?!?!?

JEAN WAS A METH TRAFFICKING SHIP CAPTAIN?!?!?!?!?!

The tweet that 'reveals' the 'death order' has been deleted. Pretty much confirming it was complete and utter bullshit

where do people find the leaked death order and what is it somebody help me bc im curious asf

People on Twitter say the order has leaked, but I cannot find the alleged leak anywhere. Does anyone has its?

Why are people shocked they would execute Toshiko?

Shes literally in the killing game. If anything I would.question on what her execution would be since shes 14 and her talent is "matchmaking"

That just seems particularly edgy and a taboo concept to try an implement into the story. It's like they saw Linuj's SDRAE1&2 third chapters and decided they wanted to out do him. Like >!Kanade!< is probably the most infamous fangan killer but its like Toshiko would be the inverse where the entire chapter is meant to make you feel sick and sorry for her.

Pure shock value. Like it could be mocking her that she will never grow up and find love or like Eva's where she's tortured. Either way it just seems excessive with her talent.

And it needs to be acknowledged that given the entire scandal, it should be noted that some people on the team had weird views on kids. Like thats Toshiko executed and potentially a Desmond being a victim of SA plotline which apparently gets him trick Eloise into killing him. I think people need to address these ideas carefully

https://x.com/SabrinaTwyla/status/2047303830279512118

I saw the leaked death order, but im seeing everyone also discuss the motives or how they happened/plot related to the chapters and I dont see them in the list I saw. I thinl the person on twitter who posted them (understandably) deleted the post so i cant find it anywhere. I understand the leaks are an iffy topic right now so I get if this post is deleted, but im really curious and cant find a single reupload

Is because if the leaks are fake, then we would think everything is fake, the survivors are not the one mentions, the kills are not, etc.

It could just be said to be a theory.

But Sabrina and Nifast are acting like it’s a problem, like if at least some of it it’s true, because if everything was fake there is no problem, but if something is true, then we will see it coming in the game (or whatever they do now) when the chapters Drop.

i think people are overreacting to these leaks really badly. like i do think the way the leaks are worded is very funny, but it’s clear they’ve been telephoned based on story outlines. any of these plot details could’ve been changed throughout the course of development and also we are missing so much context. i really hope the team still does a final send off with the full story

like I forgot about eden garden and decided to go in the subreddit and I learned that mark voice actor was in couple with a 14 years old girl and that the creator protected him or something

is it real ? omg I'm so shocked RN and like project eden garden is probably over and they released the leaks of the death order.

can I look at it because if the game is truly over then it's ok but if the game will be finished, I will just spoil myself and I don't want to

Is it insensitive to ask and want to see them? This is the biggest discussion here right now, and I have no idea what everyone's talking about. I'd like to know.