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Not sure if she ever really gives a health update for Jordan Peterson, and this is fairly tedious, but watching the entire video is enlightening about some permanent and severe effects from prescription ssris and benzodiazepines. Do I agree with the “ lion diet?” Maybe not, and maybe not even their politics but I have always found J Peterson to be talkative and interesting, and no one really deserves to suffer like this.

As I was watching all I could hope for is that her message reaches a wider audience. Something needs to be done about these dangerous drugs.

I haven’t been able to feel my gut intuition anymore, and I only feel my stomach drop when I sense someone is a danger to me or if I’m on a rollercoaster. Lmk because I’m curious. The reason I ask is because we’re in constant danger of being watched and it’s affecting our nervous system so maybe we’re not functioning right?

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What would be the PositiveTI stance on control and manipulation concerning the voices many of us hear? I recall in one the of 12 Steps that we become aware of manipulation, but does anyone ever think that the voices they hear are actually in control? How could it be? I have been puzzled for some time now. If they are in control, then why do they get pissed off at things that I do? Makes it seem like I am the one actually in control, which is what I think. But they do seem to manipulate me at times, influencing my thoughts which can determine my mood or feelings, sometimes my actions. I try not to get emotional with the things that they say, if I did I would be living in terror 24/7, with all the threats they make and doomsday predictions they push on me. I’m going to read the 12 Steps again to try to get some grounding on this. I just wanted to know anyone else’s opinion on the matter. The answer that seems to come to me is yes, they can manipulate you, but you are ultimately in control, but that seems to vary in some way doesn’t it? Depending on how much influence they have over you?

Life...

Life, for msny of us, is not what "planned" for us. "Go to school, graduate, work hard, find love, play the game and retire with smart investments." I failed at almost all of these, at least the ones applical to my age. But for many of you it's not too late.

Cherish the times with your loved ones. You can't find happiness if you don't try. Go outside your comfort zones, fail and fail again. You WILL find success. It's not always going to always be fair....but you MUST try. Things won't come easy. Sitting around feeling sorry for yourself in any capacity (not just in the context of this sub) will turn your entire being into that suffering "victim." And please please please trust me. That is NOT what anyone was meant to be.

Your existence is a miracle. We have trials and tribulations. Some more than others, depending on your prospective. Have you ever considered while sulking in your bed of despair that there is an immeasurable amount of people, from all backgrounds, that would kill to have YOUR specific life? Even at it's very worst? Keep that prospective. At all times. Adopt and acknowledge it at all times. It could save your life someday.

I have spent too many years shaping my personality into the "why me?" Guy even after a revelation that transpired from suffering. I embraced this with great pride...too much pride. In my conquest I thought I was invincible. Instead of remaining stoic and learning from my past. "Fair" or "not fair". I slowly slipped into the bsd habits that, jn many cases, placed me into the same situation I was jn before. I lost. I lost the things I most wanted in life. And here I am again...a rock bottom pf sorts. My confidence is drained, feel more lost and alone than ever. Terrified is an understatement. And I yet I only have myself to blame.

Im ranting. But I guess my point is if you bounce back and gain that revelation Hold on to it dearly. Don't forget t you've come from. You may not get that second chance. It's doubtful I will.

You all have shown me so much love. I'm sorry for giving advice help alleviate these troubles a lot lot of us can relate to. But I am ashamed to say it came from hypocrit. That's just the stone cold truth.

Sorry for the buzkilll post. I would npt hut myself! Let that be clear! I also dont want the sub to go to shit. Its up to Peter and Kev if I should stay on the team.

-Rust

Just want to share a nice and nasty one, because I got attacked with this once again today. I immediately recognized, it's the prompter delusion. When you have it, it is as if someone is perpetually giving you commands in every day life, or saying words for you to repeat.

Usually in case of a severe attack, it seems like completely legit moves. You even feel like you can't act differently. If they just want to provoke you or command a weaker-willed individual, they'd just give outright controlling commands. But the prompter delusion is more subtle.

So let me lift this up right away. Don't follow the commands, but do anything you feel by yourself is right to do, not matter the voice seems to tell or no, but only if you're sure after short reflection. Never just accept the commands and do them blindly, but remember, the voices will sometimes also tell you what is proper to do and then you should when you are sure. Just go straight ahead, and focus on your own volition. And mind some simple thing that happens.

Now I believe this is a destructive trick, and it includes taking your own volitions and memories and thoughts and speech, before it rises into your mind, and then make a voice tell it to you - distracting you to think it's from the voice instead of from you. They will do this, they can know what you're going to do or remember in a second and distract you and make a voice tell it to you instead. Usually, they also make you feel powerless in that situation somehow.

Why all this and why is it so evil? Simple as that: when you follow the commands, you become controllable. You will find you often have to, to get by in daily life. But one who does not reflect and do all the voices, will at some point start doing and saying thing they would not have done. The voices will try to train a person so it works, so they get a controllable slave which even untalented other humans could control with a voice. On the other hand, if the person tries to resist the voices and disobey in general, they will go nuts because the voices tell them all they would and should otherwise do on their own, messing up their lives if they generally disobey.

So you must always discern wisely, and look into your heart and learn to feel into youreself what's you and good and right and what is not. And you should do only what is wise, what you truly need to do. The third, and sad fact about this is - it will not just mess with you psychologically, but also phyiscally. By bridging your decision-making facilities, they weaken them to high degree...if you follow the voices for a time, and they stop, you're like lame, like crippled, ultra weak...you'll have to learn again to grow the strength for making free decisions with great effort, and for this you need peace and good condition. These conditions they will try to keep you from, for example by constantly distracting you, to make you demented without proper help into a world where you're then exposed in one or another way.

If you have such voices, practice meditation, practice not following them and letting go to just watch and listen to them. You will maybe find the point where they immediately take a memory away to present it as their own works - then you will be sure about this trick and how to cope with it. If you practice even more, you can become aware of how they inject also other commands, which are not from your own volition, and mind you the whole mind urges against them usually. They are like foreign objects, and feel like some, that's probably why they usually begin with the own decisions before then proceeding to adding also decisions which are outside the own free will. You can learn to prevent the attack to happen with mindfulness - if your mind is awake enough, you can even witness the attackers quickly hiding your own thought to present you a lie that it comes from their thinking and decision and authority over you. Don't accept their authority, take it from them instead, they've no right to treat us like this!

So this is it, this is how to get through. For me they just stopped trying this trick as I grew awake and aware enough to sense and prevent or circumvent this attack reliably. I don't really know, what is the whole meaning in this. Sometimes, I believe it is human experiments, like as if they try such methods with computer-generated hypnosis into the minds of many to research which kind of people can be subjected with it and who would resist. I witnessed a big number of different similar methods, which all seemed to be tested and investigated on my mind in the last decades. So what do you believe - is it experiments, or do crackheads train these tricks on us with their psi powers to learn sabotaging others from the hidden and to remove unwanted persons, or is this like a sabotage on large scale against our societies?

Brothers and Sisters! Just wanted to express my love and understanding to all of you who are new to this phenomenon, those who are hopeless and feel there is no end to the madness. Time is a great healer, that is one of the major lessons i have chosen to resonate with. Time and the fact that we do not own our thoughts and emotions. We are like a spectrum capable of extreme polar opposites of emotions that can swing in either direction in the drop of a hat. A vehicula made manifest in this flesh that is being tried true and if hope

Can be grasped we will come fourth in the end as gold. You are not alone in this! Cherish the moments of clarity, the small reprieves and the magnificent beautiful moments that come during this sea of physical, emotional and psychological hardship. I am most grateful for all of you and want to be available to listen because I will understand, trust me. We have to have each other because the world will not understand not do I believe it is in their life path to understand. Like the secret teachings of the ancients, the initiates that had to go through lack of a better word torture to become part of the inner circle of enlightenment I believe there is a reason behind all of it no matter how far fetched that seems when your down in the trenches of spiritual warfare. You are loved and you are not alone!

Spiritual dogfight 101

So a fellow TI here. I mean, and I mean it serious, we can defend also with force. Whoever attacks us does us psychological, spiritual force - I believe in threat we are entitled to turn it back to self-defend. Some of you call this V2K or synthetic telepathy - I believe it is a gateway in the mind they can mess with us with. I believe we can mess them up back! But only if we learn control. I believe this belongs to the public, more and more people are harassed, we must learn to defend and defend each other. I break nobody's secrets with this, all this tech comes from my own observation, and as I believe, also from answered prayers by the Holy Spirit.

And I do not mean physical force. Please, by all means, whenever you see a gangstalker...just being there after he bullied you in the head...or just doing provocative things NEVER JUST ATTACK ANY PERSON PHYSICALLY OR ALSO IN YOUR MIND! Just let them all be who are around you, ignore or cope with any physical provocations peacefully. Only if you feel physically attacked for real, somebody coming for you trying to physically abuse you - then you may defend. If there's already some gangs after you and trying to set you up for a brawl or so, you may learn a craft like Jiu-Jitsu, Krav Maga, Judo, Aikido or whatever suits you to protect yourself in this regard, or just take evidence and call the cops. Once such people realize they can't get an easy win with you, they leave you alone and to be taken down by the psi force. What I am writing here is not about physically attacking anyone. It is about the spiritual combat which happens when you try to escape.

So you do see yourself in a situation where you are mentally bombarded with intrusions, voices, and seemingly mind-manipulations all the time? Like something is choking you down with it, or trying to provoke you at all times? Without anyone being there, and you cannot really see where it is coming from? Wait, you say you know who it is - are you sure? Maybe that's just somebody trying to seem like somebody else? Aren't it in the end just voices and visions coming from nowhere? Yes, they can pretend... Let's look closer there, what may be in the dark!

Okay, so to defend I first needed to gain control over my mind, over my nonverbal willpower. This basically goes by meditation. It's a noble art, and simple practice - you just pick a practice, an object of concentration, and then try to let your mind be attentive to it all the time. When distracted, you deal with it, until you gain so much concentration on your object that it is steady in attention, and becomes...big and heavy...so try with yourself, your breath, first...maybe perps cannot move you any more, when you suffice... The key is also, you must purify yourself, thoroughly clean your evil and doubt and shame and guilt and regret all your weaknesses, make you accept yourself, change for the better, leave behind all bad habits and character traits, so that any bad or evil thought that comes up, you can just deny it. This will protect you most heavily, and will later help you wipe the same smut out of the faces of your oppressors. What at first is a doubt, a dedication to the good, a gentle touch and wiping a mud away, and in the face of force become like a blazing sword cutting through all defilements, you own and also of your oppressors.

Well this practice can go for years, until you gain the necessary control, and it helps resisting in itself. If you're lucky, it makes you overcome the targeting right away once you're successful, but I had less luck whatever targeted me just kept going at me more and more aggressively.

Basically you need to first break all layers of deception. They tried to set me up with lots of fake stories and puppet theatre and illusions...they are all irrational and have no deeper meaning, you know like stories like...why should the government hire stupid pricks to bully people in their head with a microphone, when they could just remote-control anyone? No, it's probably not the government, but make sure you always have a valid passport sitting around, just in case... It's just something trying to control or slowly grind you down with harassment, so it's up to you to take the fight or not.

Within the layers, you'd first feel vague stories with no background, then it gets more personal, specific, or crazy. The next step is, already like interactive figures threatening and messing with you, but rather diffuse. At some point they would try to physically manipulate you and your volition/willpower. But it is not a perfect influence, it is possible to resist with strong will. Also they will try to ride over the mind with intrusions, but who doesn't follow them, but only things which are good and proper, will also resist. If you fall for following your thoughts blindly, it will be difficult, you need to gain more awareness first.

So they really tried every scheme with me, every sad and sadistic trick, just to make me give in, they weakened me, everything, I did not give in, I did not give a shit about their threat, so at some point they will maybe really start trying to attack you with spiritual combat, yay!

Okay, what is the basis of this? Basically, they will somehow have to cause you powers before it starts...or you are spiritually by nature or by another initiation. They have ways to even cause high seer gifts to otherwise ignorant and involuntary people, so take care, never accept anyone trying to involve you into such things, that's the simplest way to do it to anyone by making them accept it from somewhere. Also when you accepted something, they will try to psychologically break you over it once they know and they will from monitoring you. So you must make sure you resolve that trap, to either ensure full loyalty or liberation from whomever you have given promises to in your life. Also try to make good with anyone whom you have hurt in the past.

Once you experience these power, there are basic skill you can enact with all that happens in your mind, like wipe away/cut, destroy/pulverize, take and retain the objects in there, or put them back to you or others, direct your or an intruder's will. Other skills include, making a loop to reflect a thing cast from elsewhere back, and note, when somebody from there directs anything at it, the loop will also cast it back to them. I called a technique to let oppressors dismantle their own curses and burden themselves "backlinking". Or you can make a fixed loop, anything that enters and fulfills a condition, gets answered with something you have stored in that loop. For example I took a parodistic element, which I cut out of an offensive grimasse I had been provoked with before (you must grab it while it's in your face and can take out the parody, the stunning, the anger, etc. from it instead of retaining the whole object) - and looped it so that the intruder gets a parody blast into his ego when he sticks it in again. It worked, I was left alone, and after a while I was greeted by the intruder, lol he looked like a comic figure and also felt like that, he was not happy about it...he must have directed his will against me again and again to unload the whole element in his face...

An important fact to memorize is, you have authority over you mind, you must not allow anything in it to happen against your will. You can at first only change your own mind, not others'. To make the perps lose their ability, you have to either make them destroy them by themselves, or you have to enter them and enforce it somehow. BUT when a perp enters your mind, it is in your authority. You can then take it, or change it. There's 2 layers, one is just for showing, the other has effect. Often perps will combine them, like seem peaceful in the showing layer which you have to bear for a time, while covertly urging and provoking you to feel it as an offense, to attack them. When you attack, they can bully you for it. Take the urge they cause you in the hidden, instead. Wait for their face to enter the realm where it actually touches and manipulates your will, then you can alter it and also change it, stun them, remove things which are evil, put their blights back to them etc. You don't have to keep it all clean all the time, actually it's better to tolerate things for a while before becoming active, just to make sure it is really an aggression to be answered this way. You can bear things which you cannot force, to save strength, just keep in mind these will not happen as something else tries to make you believe they would, and they won't. When confronted with an urge to do something destructive, you don't have to. But you can retain, and give that urge to the one who gave it to you, first. The same with the will to alter your mind spiritually - you can't easily do that to anyone else, but these fuckers made an art of manipulating others to accept it happening to themselves. So they try to force things with conviction, and it only works when you believe it.

But in the mean time, the power of mind is really omnipotence, just you get no instant success but must train it and there are limits what may be valid and what is not, or at least not without much training. The basic premise over answering force is, you are entitled to do to the intruders all they did to you. That's why retaining an element and casting it back works so well - because you take your right in your hand, doing back to them what they did to you. Even you can do it back more than once, but that one time remembering the time it was done to you, seems to be most effective. Things done to you and returned often, can become permanent powers btw, it seems. Just try...to be more clever than them, and not give them back blindly. They move your will, you gain the power to move theirs...they see you from the hidden, you can do so, as well, or they see you openly, you can also show yourself to them. Then they do an abuse, which is aimed not at harming you directly, but at demoralizing and provoking you without them becoming apparent. So you can basically give them back the creeps without them knowing who it is.

So once an intruder becomes apparent, it is usually with much deception and tricks to blind and bind the mind. So you will not see them at first, but only lots of tricks, or the intruder would also try to make you believe they are somebody else, i.e. another target or victim, to drive you against them. Take extra care also with the destructive powers, the evil spirits may try to make you direct them against yourself or innocent ones. So self-control and controlling anger are the best gifts to learn to control in such a situation.

So a good strategy is to neutralize all the things they cast on you, retaining them or also casting them back in the right way so the attacker gets demoralized. A good tactic is to train reaction skills, and to remove all unskillful or evil or corrupted mind states from the own as soon as they pop up. The perp may put his mind in you or elements with such mind states, and removing them already make the perp a little softer and dismantles the things he tries to corrupt you with. Make sure you ONLY remove mind states you'd remove from yourself with self-control, as well, never remove anything healthy, else you risk gaining a penalty from the spirit and it makes you consider what it's like to damage the own mind then. Even the ability will be locked and you may seem like disabled to yourself, but it's just an illusion to make you take more care, and so please do so, the ability may later come back, but it really leaves a hollow taste. This is what you will want to make the perps do to themselves later, but not do to yourself, it's disgusting, the perps made me do often in the beginning with me being ignorant, so I learned it the ugly way.

Probably he will also try to put other things on you, illusions, things that seem like a damaged mind, hard to bear things and mind states, visions of threats and objects that seem like curses which would evolve, sequences of talk and eavesdropping of voices talking about your doom, all kinds of spiritual and occult threats may pop up. So you can remove each of them like your unskillful mind states, but again take care to only remove what you believe is an evil curse, in doubt just let it be, it's better to bear a little curse like that than to bear the penalty for trying to remove something good from yourself. Also make sure you always only direct your will to removing any EXTERNAL elements you see, or whatever is external about what you see - else again you'd direct your power to harming yourself, and the perps may try to influence you to do so from the hidden.

And - you can try to retain these things, especially after removing them from the mind space. Remember to only remove things from the active surface area, not from the "only for showing" area in the mind, this is impossible to touch. But what you get, what could impede such a person, collect it all somewhere. Imagine you remove these burdens from the mind where they are just being cast on, and collect them in a place, your hand or somewhere else. Try to roughly remember what you have there, but put all the crap in there, and try to remember the source of them even when you cannot see it.

From the crap they put on you, you may already get an idea about who and how many of them there currently are busy with you. Sometimes it's like multiple perps bombing at the same time, I always try to wait until I can sense the most subtle and aggressive one, who tries the most sophisticated tricks. Keep track of them somehow, even if it's just one of them. Try to remember some thing they put on you, a face, a special trick which you can recognize them with later. Even when it doesn't work, just remember them for that one nasty thing they did to you. To keep for longer, you can give them a name and write down, with something to remember the signature you recognized them from. Train to remember that there is a person like this, who does these things to you somehow.

Now in the mean time they will probably be curious why their schemes aren't effective, and at some point they maybe start confronting you with their actual mind. You can see these characteristic moments in the "only show" area in the back of mind, but in this case you will feel their mind as if it is active with yours, as if there is empathetic connection. So this is when they look into your mind for a glimpse, and also want to see your personality and thoughts, you will see theirs at the same time for a moment. Usually when they bomb me, they don't show right away, but show me many feints and false images, and try to direct my suspicion about who it is to random or specific people. But the more lies I see through and remove, the less tough their resistance to upholding this illusion is. Once their illusion devices are dismantled by cutting them out of your mind when they entered, they will start lacking steam and consider wrestling instead of the illusion tricks. So try to ignore all kinds of artificial looking mind states, but no matter what, all perps I've seen were corrupted to the maximum, those are swines they cannot hide, they almost seem unreal in it. So this is when you can take the real signature of them, when you see their mind, and their personality you can probably memorize better than their schemes.

Then, you can focus hard on seeing their mind like they saw yours, and start removing all the corrupted mind states like you did in your meditation to yourself, until that swine becomes a happy piglet and leaves you alone... Ah well, it's not easy, and they will try to resist and avoid it at all costs. So you must take your time to grind them down and remove the things they torment you with, until you can. Try not to watch all the time and exposing yourself, just focus single moments here and there, and then try to work with what you've seen, or only focus when you believe the time is good and you can give them some reward for their good friendship.

How to get there then, is sometimes hard. I experience it like, they probably also watch me, and try to prevent me focus them, at all. They can impede the willpower, and also direct your will at illusions and also your attacks at somebody else...make sure you only act on what you're sure is the full realistic mind impression of that perp which you've seen between the illusions. Also they make me lose signatures over and over again, and it's good not to go nuts about them right away...you can at first practice with just reacting to the attacks, as you're probably already used to. Then comes a wave with some more peace, and you'll have the sigs of the poor bastards who are next in line from a better position to watch them.

Okay, then following them, once you have them, you can see how they organize their minds and everything, but not who they really are and what they currently do. Probably they see the same about you, and only know you're there and that they have to press you down on somebody's command. No matter what, I always look for the most hateful, and then when I've a lot of plagues collected in my hand, I trick him up. I go to him, and remove his evils. When he attacks and threatens me with his face or hands, entering your mind, just keep slashing away all that is corrupted and evil like in the beginning when they didn't show themselves. Maybe he will try wrestling you, and putting a constant pressure and force on your mind or will - backlink it to him, remember a retained "i made you forget" element, then remember how they harassed you from the hidden to make him believe it's an external attack from somebody he doesn't know, then you can either give him back an element where he tried to make you cut something good off your own mind to fault you, or if he already force-rode your body or will, you can do the same move that you did to remove his plagues from your mind, but ride his to quickly remove his backlinked power. You can also freeze him with some cramps he had given to you, raise in him a power which he had directed at you, and force him to destroy it by overriding his will. Then immediately let go, and make him forget your trick again, maybe giving him the creeps by letting him realize he just removed something from himself (he probably already tried it with you).

Remember to never just enter their minds to attack them directly with threat or violence etc. So it's good to keep track and only react to actual infringements of personal rights by them. They can possibly also document "mind" snapshots of what you do to them, and then will show them to their uppers to get you removed for your aggression. If you instead make sure you're always calm, and these fuckers eat only what they deserve from their own action, then they can't do that easily any more.

Also again, and this is important: never fall for any lie that you know who specifically the person harassing you in your mind is. You cannot really know, maybe you see the full face and they were amateurs and are revealed, well that's rad, I have not seen this. Instead they try any trick to relay your attacks to other people, even showing you illusions of them in your mind. Make sure you learn to discern that, and ONLY go for the signature you have, ONLY go for those who abuse you directly, always connect their identity to the actual abuse. Else they can easily trick you and direct your wrath to somebody innocent, or to their own enemies to go for you, etc.

Entering him by directing your will on his signature until you see his true mind, you can also freeze him and just put all the collected punishment from him back to him. Remember to put a lock on it, something that was hard for you to break through, or multiple things in sequence. He ever made you think something which is there isn't? they love this trick. You can put one of his plagues back on his face with this and just hide it so he cannot easily remove it. Today I collected a hand full or two, and one perp made me a nice gift. He wanted make me direct my will at giving all kinds of wrathful curses to somebody who didn't deserve, he probably just put the mind of an innocent to my face. So make sure you always look for the mind if it's truly evil, only attack evil minds. So I resisted and retained the urge to put so many blights on that innocent, and later when he came, I gave him back an anger, and let him go for his backlink once again and let him believe it was me, but then gave him the urge for blighting a lot and at the same time did all the collected smut on him for trying to put the blights on me. Then I made him forget all the trick, and believe he just had put all the blights on himself which came from my hands, I did it with two it seemed to work each time, today is one of the few days where I've some peace at all in between the very subtle provocations.

Also mind if there are different of them at the same time, that some may superficially provoke and attack you, while others impede or misdirect you from the hidden. I have the strategy, as soon as I see a saboteur I direct the attack against them instead, to deal with the others later. Also when they show you their mind-moments in threatening way, you can retain them and later put them to one another, with a twist that they may feel attacked by it. It drives them nuts and can make them go against each other in between the other plagues you put to them together with these elements.

So I just wanted to share this, it is my personal experience and what these bastards do to me all day, and it is my personal joy that something entered me and taught me all this. This art goes way deeper, but this is much already. They do too much too us it is dehumanizing, it is time to defend spiritually! Now I don't feel exposed to the abusers in my mind any longer, and can give them back the creeps! I had prayed a lot for something like this, and it happened, but I did not expect it to be so difficult and that I had to help so much with it. Now I hope it helps some others beat up these bastards and break their powers, they don't deserve to step over our backs like that any longer! As written in Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." The sword of the mind can cut away all unrighteousness and evil, so we can be set free again to be the help for this world that this world deserves. Don't forget, once they stop bullying you, you must also stop defending, then is the time of the peace we are longing for, no more being choked in dehumanizing mental illusions. May this day come soon, may soon all humans be freed from such oppression, Amen!

This is likely what we are facing.