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I want to hear thoughts from the group for this one - it seems quite a widespread thought process.

I mean... how do you get through a shift if you don't?

I had a pretty interesting discussion while holding up the walls of a local ED - “we don’t diagnose.” was the argument by a couple of paramedics, albeit the trend between them was that they have many years of experience with this thought process. The paramedics who were fresher out of university were on par with the diagnosis opinion.

I do I get what people are trying to say. We are not sitting in a hospital with pathology, imaging, specialist review and hours to work through a definitive diagnosis. We also shouldn’t pretend we can confirm things we can’t confirm.

But the idea that paramedics don’t diagnose is not really true in my opinion.

In practice, we diagnose all the time. We make provisional diagnostic judgements constantly - for example:

  • Chest pain: STEMI, ACS, PE, dissection, reflux, anxiety, musculoskeletal pain.
  • Shortness of breath: asthma, COPD, APO, pneumonia, sepsis, PE, panic.
  • Altered conscious states: hypoglycaemia, seizure, stroke, overdose, sepsis, head injury.
  • Abdominal pain: AAA, ectopic, renal colic, gastro, appendicitis, bowel obstruction.
  • Behavioural disturbance: psychosis, intoxication, delirium, hypoxia, hypoglycaemia, head injury.

Every treatment pathway depends on us forming a working diagnosis or at least a ranked differential.

We don’t give salbutamol because someone is generally unwell - we have a suspicion that their condition is related to asthma or copd. We don't give every chest pain aspirin and gtn or every unconscious person naloxone and glucose.

We don’t thrombolyse, sedate, pace, cardiovert, decompress a chest, give TXA, treat sepsis, activate stroke pathways or pre alert cath lab because we avoided diagnosis. I am not going to reduce an anterior shoulder if I think there is a fracture.

We do it because we have assessed the patient, interpreted the findings, weighed the likely causes and made a clinical judgement. That is diagnosis.

Paramedic diagnosis should be:

  • provisional
  • evidence informed
  • open to revision and reflection
  • based on pattern recognition and structured assessment
  • supported by differential thinking
  • honest about uncertainty

I think we do the below:

“We form provisional diagnoses and differential diagnoses to guide treatment, referral and risk management.”

Paramedics are clinicians. Clinical decision making requires diagnostic reasoning. The culture should reflect that.

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u/stonertear — 7 days ago

Cannot find work as a graduate paramedic

I completed my degree in paramedicine last year, and now understand it could take years to get a job in the state service as a graduate. I want to work as a FIFO medic in the meantime, but all of the job alerts require 3 years clinical experience. Does anyone have experience being a paramedic graduate and getting a FIFO job?

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u/According-Duck50 — 4 hours ago

New website with coroners' findings nationwide, easily searchable and divided by state, speciality etc.

Full credit to u/changyang1230 over in r/ausjdocs for putting together this amazing website.

On a quick peruse it seems like we're mostly doing the right thing, but there's a few shockers in there.

Of note, one paramedic with a heap of complaints against him who dismissed a pt's concerns and later died: https://www.coronial.com.au/finding/sa-2026-chadha_hemant_and_battagodage_sachintha_nandula

And another one where the attending paramedic didn't even do a primary survey, only for his partner to discover the pt had arrested once they got the pt on the stretcher: https://www.coronial.com.au/finding/sa-2026-shepley_adam_troy

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u/instasquid — 3 days ago

Does anyone have any advice for a student paramedic about to start their first clinical placement?

I am mostly terrified of forgetting everything I learned in the sim lab the moment I actually have a patient in the back of the truck

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u/GrandLock1194 — 18 hours ago

How to approach placement situation

Hello, I'm in my final year of my degree and my second last placement and initially I found it very insightful and was learning lots. However over the past 2 weeks one of my mentors has started micro managing everything and it feels like nothing I do is ever good enough. I'm just not sure how I go about raising this. A few examples are:

- says "hey student XYZ, you can run this case if you would like" then proceeds to not let me get a word in and dictates the whole interaction and just asks me to get vitals. However, because I've been task focused with vitals I've missed 90% of the story but still expects me to do handover - then takes over handover because I'm blundering through it. It just feels like such a stitch up.

- whenever I'm doing patient care, interjects with asking the same questions I've already asked or restarts assessments that I am midway through eg starts ascertaining a GCS and PEARL when I'm midway through a neuro (I'm also verbalising the results so they can hear my thinking and see how far along I am but they're either not listening or just don't like the result)

- I will be running a case and completing documentation and they will rewrite the whole thing, but the style is just a literal block of text and just so disorganised. Whereas I try to give things sub headings.

For context: no one has really shown me how to do this before and it is something I've always been overwhelmed with. I really wanted some extra guidance and mentoring on how to do this and all I get is really a visualisation of their rewrite, while I'm left on my own to fumble my way through it whilst they chat with their friends on the ramp - I made a specific point that both documentation and handovers are something I really want extra support in and it just feels like I've been ignored. Meanwhile, I look at other students on the ramp and their mentors are guiding them, instead my mentor snatches the iPad and silently typing away. It just makes me feel disheartened - because I'll ask for feedback on how to improve but they just state that it was really good but they spent 15 minutes rewriting everything.

I just don't know what to do or how to raise it - because they're a lovely person, but can't train or provide the structure that I need. Now it is getting to the point I'm literally dreading shifts.

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u/Zealousideal-Net2676 — 2 days ago

Has anyone else noticed how different metro vs rural shifts feel in terms of workload and vibe?

Metro seems constant and high pressure, while rural feels like it can swing between really quiet and suddenly full on. Has anyone else worked both and noticed the contrast, and which do you actually prefer long term?

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u/UsualLeast8810 — 1 day ago
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Masters vs Graduate Diploma of Paramedicine.

Hey all.

I am a RN looking to move into Paramedicine. I cant find any clear information on the difference between outcomes of doing a masters vs a Graduate Diploma of paramedicine.

Is there any drawbacks to employment options of either course?? What are the eventual outcomes??

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u/Nemo_048 — 3 days ago

Your experience with AI

Hi all,

I’m a bit behind the 8 ball and have just begun exploring AI a bit more seriously recently, and have been trialling it for further CPD and learning opportunities at work.
I’ve used it to review interesting cases at work (completely de-identified obviously) for its feedback and suggestions, differentials etc.
I’ve used it to give me case based scenarios with ongoing management and rationale questions which have been really, really great.
Personally I’ve used it for meal prep ideas and some fun family day suggestions.

How are you guys using AI? And which are you using? I would love to hear how it’s helping your personal and professional life!

Also, I’m exceeding my free use every day. Which do you suggest is best to pay for?

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u/doubleUteaF — 2 days ago

I had a job yesterday where the patient kept directing all his answers to my mentor even though I was the one doing the assessment and holding the tablet. It’s so frustrating when you’re trying to build rapport and you’re just being ignored

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u/UsualLeast8810 — 7 days ago

EDIT: Since people seem to be replying with no constructive feedback, I want to clarify: I am basically asking if I should start paramedic school in the States or move to Australia then start? No clue why I keep getting downvoted.

Read the rules and FAQ, apologies if this is repeated too often.

I (27M) and my wife (28) are looking to move to Australia from the US in the near future. I’m an Australian citizen. I am currently a Firefighter and EMT-B here and have shifted my focus to going to paramedic school, with the end goal of becoming a flight medic, helicopter rescue, cool stuff in aircraft lol. This has been a career change by itself as my Bachelor’s degree is in Aviation and I’ve spent the last few years working in corporate. That being said, I am hesitant to go further with this career change state-side if the end goal is to end up in Australia. I understand the education requirements are more stringent in Australia. So I wanted to get some feedback if I can expect some of my existing college credits would transfer for me to work towards paramedicine in Australia, or if it would be easier to get my paramedic certs stateside and try to test into the field? Any insight or feedback yall have would be greatly appreciated. I am also not opposed to nursing or military as a bridge into the profession.

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u/LSMed — 7 days ago

Sleep post night shift

Somewhat off topic but my wife doesn’t seem to fully appreciate the need for sleep post night shift (I.e doesn’t treat the concept of sleeping during the day as seriously as sleeping overnight)… so she’s basically annoyed that i get to “sleep all day” while she either has to get the kids to school (weekdays) or look after them all day (weekends) …. It’s not that she doesn’t acknowledge I’ve obviously worked 12-13 hrs overnight it’s more she thinks daytime sleep is more like having a nanna nap between doing other things etc

It’s more the mindset - she can’t appreciate it’s the middle of the night for me, and thinks I’m just having a cruisy day in bed laying around while she’s working hard ..

Anyone else been through this and got any advice?

No she has never done shift work before

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u/dr650crash — 5 days ago

NSW ambulance recruitment qualified paramedic

I successfully passed the Interview stage.

The next stage is a GAP interview with Education. The GAP interview will assess any gaps in your previous training and experience to determine an appropriate Credentialing pathway.

Anyone complete this.

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u/QueenB1633 — 3 days ago

Is it just me or is the radio terminology the hardest thing to get right?

I can intubate a mannequin in the dark but as soon as I have to press that PTT button I suddenly forget how to speak English. I find myself rehearsing a simple status update ten times in my head and I still manage to stutter or use the wrong code. It is like my brain just short circuits the moment I feel the click of the mic

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u/UsualLeast8810 — 6 days ago

NEPT in Sydney: is it worth it/realistic?

I'm an international student (who's planning to pursue a PR after graduation) currently on my last year of an unrelated uni degree, but for a year now I've been considering a career in first response. My initial goal was a triple zero ambulance call taker, but as it requires Permanent Residency, I started looking into a diploma pathway to get a PR through employment sponsorship or skill demand visa, and landed on NEPT.

My questions are:

  1. Is it better to pursue HLT31120 or HLT41120? Or are these two diplomas just as bogus as they are when it comes to being a paramedic?
  2. Is there a demand for NEPT's in Sydney? Or will it be difficult to get a job?
  3. Will it be more difficult to get a job considering I'm also trying to get PR as I do this? Are NEPT's in demand here, especially in Sydney?

I know my situation is a bit odd. I don't even know if this is realistic. While I love studying for my degree, I'm realizing I've always gravitated towards more hands-on jobs related to first aid. I'm also aware NEPT's aren't paramedics, but I figured it's worth a shot asking here.

Thanks everyone!

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u/Empty-Instruction956 — 4 days ago

Just wondering if anyone working with (or who’s worked with) Ambulance Victoria can share their experience around start‑of‑shift expectations. Do crews usually get in before the rostered start to do things like handover, checks, truck prep, log‑ons, etc.? If so, how early do crews normally get in and is that time generally unpaid and treated as part of the job rather than overtime? Also keen to hear whether this has been the norm for some time and if anything’s changed recently with the new EBA or end‑of‑shift stuff. Just trying to get a sense of how common this is across the service. Thanks heaps for any insights!

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u/No-Dress3794 — 8 days ago

For quite a while I've been wanting to improve the FAQ post so I decided to create a wiki for the sub. It should now be visible on the sidebar (or at the top on mobile), otherwise it can be found at https://www.reddit.com/r/ParamedicsAU/wiki/index/

I have created it with 2 goals in mind:

  1. To provide a comprehensive FAQ section to reduce the same few questions being asked all the time, and just provide generally useful information

  2. To be a general repository of information and resources for the Paramedic community across Australia

This is only the first edition so it still needs some work, but I don't know everything so I invite any feedback, suggestions and additional contributions to improve it.

I would like to eventually add state-specific information and information about jobs outside the state ambulance services so if you have suggestions in those areas definitely reach out. But for now the information has been kept deliberately general in nature so that it can apply across most of the country.

If you have any suggestions feel free to comment below or DM me

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u/fried-bin-chicken — 9 days ago

Hi everyone,

I’m based on the Central Coast (NSW) and have been seriously looking into becoming a paramedic, but I’m a bit stuck on the entry pathway.

I finished Year 12 in 2021 but don’t have an ATAR. From what I’ve seen, it looks like you can’t go straight into a paramedicine degree without one — so I wanted to ask:

- Has anyone here gotten into paramedicine without an ATAR?
- Did you go through TAFE, a bridging course, or another degree first and then transfer?
- What would you say is the best pathway in NSW?

I’ve wanted to do paramedics since high school but went down a different career path, and I’ve realised I really don’t enjoy sitting in front of a computer all day — I’d much rather be doing something hands-on and meaningful.

I’m also curious about the actual lifestyle side of the job:

- How do you manage work/life balance with shift work?
- If you have regular commitments (like sport, volunteering, etc.), how realistic is it to keep those going? (For example, I do SES training every Monday night)

And lastly — for anyone in NSW/Sydney or Central Coast:
- What uni did you go to, and would you recommend it?

Thanks in advance, I really appreciate any advice or personal experiences 😊

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u/Altruistic-Stick-551 — 8 days ago

Hi all,

I'm a second year paramedic student. I had a significant injury to one of my feet several years ago and it has recently been getting more painful. I'm doing all I can - seeing a podiatrist, physio, orthopaedic surgeon and getting a referral to a pain clinic - but I'm still concerned about being able to be on road. This has been my dream for a long time and I am determined to get there, but I wanted to know if any of you have any experience with being or working with paramedics that have any form of disability.

One thing I will make clear is that u understand the importance of this job, and if it ever got to a point where I was not able to pull my weight or was putting my partner and/or patients at risk, I would stand down. I'm not at that point and may never be, but I guess the fear of getting through university for nothing has been plaging me.

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u/MaddieClaire344 — 8 days ago

Hey, just wondering if anyone knows whether you get paid during the 6-week training course before starting as a Control Centre trainee? I’ve seen the listed training salary but wasn’t sure if that applies to the initial induction period or only after that.

Thanks in advance 😊

Edit: thank you everyone, extremely helpful!!!!!!!

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u/Educational-Card-133 — 9 days ago