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Sa mga lawyers dito, ano ang mga hobby ninyo na hindi related sa pagbabasa and lawyering? Para maiba naman ang lifestyle ko.

Common things I see are reading novels, gym, jogging, walking, hiking

I'm into novels, gaming, art, cooking.

EDIT: Nahanap ko na ang aking mga fellow nerds salamat! Kala ko nawawala pag naging abogada na hahahaah

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u/diabeticcake — 1 day ago

ULAS

May nagppetition po ba dito against ULAS? Pasali po. Grabe po hassle and pagod tas di naman lahat qualified beneficiary. Wala ng natirang clients for us 🥲

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u/unidentfide — 3 days ago
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Bakit parang lugi ang mga non-litigators sa ULAS? Especially mga lawyers na clerical in nature ang trabaho, or nasa corporate/tax advisory.

Edit: reddit auto-translate sucks, naka-tagalog ito kanina tapos naging english

here me out - i am someone that came from corporate and tax advisory and i am now in the government working in admin stuff but lawyer skills are required.

to me, the nature of ULAS is very idealistic. It's like 4ps and tupad and ayuda but make it Judiciary. The intention is great, the plan and execution is badly thought-out by some person who has never experienced being poor and clearly has air conditioning and probably lives a humble life just because of rich parents/some person who is already a big lawyer.

It's hard to follow him as someone who has never started in litigation, and has never experienced litigation. I am a person who decided during my law school days that I don't want litigation and I think corporate and admin stuff is okay with me.

Oh you might think, "you have to be a lawyer, you still need to be smart and I think ULAS is a great way to expand your expertise." Dude, I'm not planning on risking someone's property/liberty just to comply.

Also, it doesn't make me less of a lawyer if I'm not in court practice. My govt job lets me give free legal advice to my middle class relatives but law firms/private practitioners are not really in the budget. I also helped several NGOs with charity legal advice. They put in place what the qualified beneficiary rule is and then everything I helped turned out not to be possible. So, it's not possible. Those people are also in trouble, but that still doesn't count as help.

(God bless those who look down on my practice because I didn't fight in court. Every other day I hear comments like "you should have litigated, you're a lawyer, but you're not in the courts" I don't like that, and by this time it's already hard)

My senior bosses from firms that don't litigate and only do advisory work are currently having problems. Not everyone has the money to shell out for expenses, even though they say the ulas committee will reimburse them. Everyone is crowding into the IBP's free legal aid.

May mga lawyers na nasa admin work and they didn't do litigation their whole life pero very busy sa work nila, saan isasaksak yung ulas hours?

I think it would be better if:

  1. Increase the PAO's staff positions. Make their work easier by increasing the workforce. Let's give them a work-life balance. Then, give them security like others because they received death threats that made them leave the PAO life so how can we secure them. Also increase their transpo allowance.

  2. It would be better if PAO services were spread to poverty stricken areas because some of them don't know what PAO is. Especially in provincial areas.

  3. If the work is not litigation in nature, it should be exempted. It's surprising after how many years of experience, then suddenly I need it.

  4. Fix the courts - some courts don't have air conditioning, monoblocks, plastic tables, piles of papers outside. Others are flooded, the ceilings are rotting, the computers are old.

  5. The middle class and NGOs and churches should be included in those who can be given free legal aid. Haven't we helped enough... It's a waste of money, your relative will ask you about your land for free and then the answer to his question will be how many hours you spent studying and researching and asking your fellow lawyers.

Then it doesn't count as help.

  1. Increase their legal literacy program.

  2. Fix corruption inside the judiciary. Lifestyle checks on judges and justices. Dapat hindi lang puro kakilala ang nakakapasok sa DOJ, sa PAO, sa Judiciary.

  3. Think about it... there's really a lot the Judiciary can improve in their services to reach out to the poor.

I think ULAS is just a virtue signaling device, just saying that the judiciary has a charity project. There are many avenues they can improve such as PAO, they cannot provide real and practical solutions because they have not experienced poverty their entire lives.

What else can I do as someone who has been non-litigation all my life? Aside from free legal aid in IBP, caravan, and notary public.

I really hope someone files a petition in the supreme court to suspend this, and take care of PAO and law student practice so that help can reach those in need.

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u/diabeticcake — 4 days ago

Senior Partner giving free legal aid through ULAS

Siyempre ioke lang.

I can’t even imagine top law firm partners giving FREE legal advice to ULAS-qualified beneficiaries.

Di ba nila naisip na ipapasa lang yan sa mga associates who also have their own ULAS compliance.

Ang mahal mahal ng MCLE at annual IBP fees.

Okay lang naman sakin mag bigay ng free legal advice, but ULAS comes with so much administrative tasks.

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u/Neypesvca — 1 day ago

Judiciary should not be exempt from ULAS. Why are they getting a free pass?

There are alternative ULAS obligations that judges and court attorneys can do that will not conflict with judicial functions.

They should not be charging and crediting their official time for "public service" bec. that's what the salary is for already. They need to have 60 hrs equivalent ON TOP of their official duties, just like everyone else.

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u/blitzballreddit — 6 days ago

ULAS should come with an incentive

Sana meron tax deduction equivalent to 60hrs of your current salary deductible from withholding tax sayo or for solo practitioners, depends on the amount determined by the IBP.

Kaso wala puro take from lawyers wala ng give.

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u/anonchilde — 7 hours ago

You know that ULAS public consultation was just "moro moro", right?

Yes, there was public consultation. But look, the Supreme Court already proposed the idea of MANDATORY free legal aid with a firm decision to impose a mandatory free legal aid. Only the specific terms were subjected to public consultation.

The justices already made up their mind before consulting.

The consultation rounds with practitioners were just a way to stamp the ULAS with approval.

So don't give me sh*t that this ULAS thing was approved by the best practitioners in the country.

What do you expect the practitioners to say in front of the SC: "No to ULAS" ???

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u/blitzkriegball — 20 hours ago

I feel stuck at my job (government, still SG 15, gross around 42k). It’s a non-lawyer position, but I’m doing lawyer's work. I handle public/corporate law, and I do have authority for private practice, pero wala talaga akong clients. I haven’t appeared in court yet either, except for my notarial commission.

I know how I work—I take things seriously and I really go the extra mile. Some of my friends and relatives are recent bar passers, and sabak na agad sila sa litigation. It’s not that I’m envious… more like nasasayangan ako sa potential ko. Every time they share (sa chat lang naman) that they won a case (of course proud lang naman sila), I can’t help but think, kaya ko rin sana yon.

It’s not even about winning, honestly. It’s more about doing something that feels worth your while. But here I am—parang hamster, paikot-ikot lang, same cycles, ganon. And the thing is, I’m actually loaded with work, so I often wonder if my gov't post is still worth it.

I really don’t know where I belong right now. Is there someone here who is similarly situated? Yung alam mong, you have the potential, but hindi nagagamit? Like you're wasting away your life... how did you deal. Takot din akong mag private agad kasi what if I'm not as good as I thought hahaha.

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u/Antique_Condition315 — 10 days ago

Do you consider yours a cushy, cushy job?

How long is your office hours?

What is the nature of your job?

What is your salary range?

Which law school did you graduate from?

Sorry for being too inquisitive. I just wanna know if there's more to discover from this profession...

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u/EsquireHare — 7 days ago

ULAS was invented by losers who never succeeded in private practice

ULAS is a result of unsuccessful lawyers who unleashed their resentment on rich private practitioners by requiring and burdening practitioners with free legal aid.

"Ayan buti nga sa inyo" is their mentality.

But deep inside it's rooted in jealous resentment for not having been a successful private practitioner.

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u/blitzballreddit — 3 days ago

ULAS Barabas Hestas

Sa mga nakatapos na ng ULAS diyan or in the process pa lang:

  1. Kamusta experience niyo?
  2. How are you able to juggle your current work and ULAS obligations?
  3. Gaano kabilis/katagal ma complete yung mandatory hours?

Thanks sa feedback.

And yes wala pa akong nasisimulan 😅😅😅

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u/Original-Milk-1009 — 5 days ago

Moonlighting (law firm associate)

Hello im a law firm associate. Ok lang naman sa firm mag moonlight basta hindi nakakaaffect sa work namin. Nirefer ako ng tito ko sa close friend niya na medyo nakatulong rin sa pamilya namin. Tinawagan ako nung kaibigan nya kala ko simpleng tanong lang kaso halos isang oras tumagal tapos may kasamang contract review and drafting of settlement documents.

Sabi ko sa tito ko charge ko nalang based sa minimum ibp fees tapos discount nalang kasi nakatulong nga ng malaki sa pamilya. (gets ko naman to pero oras ko parin kasi. Gagawin ko sa labas ng working hours ko at kakainin rest ko) sabi rin nya magbibigay naman daw kahit di ko sabihin (ano guarantee ko at ano basis nila ng fees ko?)

Anyway para matapos na ito nalang iniisip ko.. yung halos 1 hr nila akong kausap waive ko nalang tapos kung simple lang naman yung contract waive ko nalang rin. Kung kailangan nila ako mag draft, per document nalang bayad. If they want me to appear sa complainants, appearance fee + transpo.

Medyo madali lang naman yung case kasi settlement na rin pero may insurance claim kasing involved kaya malaki yung chance medyo maging complicated.

Anyway.. ok lang kaya yung ganong arrangement? Pano niyo pala sinisingit sa conversation yung fees? May gc kami kasama tito ko. Balak ko message nalang si misis since mag asawa yung "clients" na "maam by the way these are my fees po pala..." tapos gusto ko mention na moonlight nga lang to kasi employed ako. Para lang klaro. Tapos pag umayaw sa service.. hindi ko gagawing masyadong in-depth yung advice.

Thoughts panyes?

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u/_notyourbarbie — 1 day ago

Dilemma

have been working as a Court Decongestion Officer for more than two years and honestly, I feel like I have already outgrown myself because the job has become too routine, and I find myself uninspired to work on the type of cases I usually handle compared to before. I also applied for permanent positions in our city, but I realized na parang futile lang because almost all plantill positions ultimately require connection or backer, which I lack. I also realized that managing people is not really for me, and I find the routine of 8 to 5 too draining. Although, hindi naman draining yung actual work ko because I still have plenty of time to draft the cases assigned to me, and my co-workers, as well as our Judge, are very kind.

I’m quite scared to transition into private practice because I feel like it might already be too late for me to start from a clean slate, considering na two years na akong abogado without any private practice experience at all. Apart from the scary part of looking for a firm willing to hire me, I also worry that the pay will likely be similar to that of an entry-level associate despite the legal experience I already gained, although not in private practice but as court staff.

Anyways, I guess I just want to put words to my thoughts and worries. Any advice to enlighten my mind will be helpful.

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u/InterviewOk6937 — 4 days ago

Abolish ULAS

Do not render quality service to non-revenue clients.

Once you hit your mandatory quota, withdraw the case and drop the free-riding client.

Manage the case in such a way that you only need to do the mininum effort. Do not run the extra mile.

Convince all free-riding clients to just plead guilty.

If you're rich, then just use your kasambahays as clients.

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u/blitzballreddit — 5 days ago

What's it like working in Ombudsman?

Recently saw in the news that for over 100 open positions, 3000+ applied. Paano ang buhay dyan in terms of caseload, work-life balance, etc?

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u/Writings0nTheWall — 2 days ago

As the title says.

Context: my mom received an invitation from the barangay to appear regarding a complaint filed by his cousin. (Land title related)

My mom has aneurysm and was recently hospitalized due to vertigo. I cannot risk her health for the sake of appearing.

I know lawyers aren't allowed to attend, but I am the next-of-kin.

Can I attend in my capacity as her daughter and not as a lawyer? Do I need an SPA for this? Thank you for your input.

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u/_notyourbarbie — 8 days ago

Hi 3 months na akong Abogado and wala pa din akong ginagawa na kahit anong work. nag apply lang ako sa PAO pero hanggang ngayon wala pa din feedback. Ano kaya ang mga magandang gawin or plans para hindi naman masayang ang mga susunod na buwan?

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u/No-Control3647 — 9 days ago

(Hi sana di madelete, maghapon ko na rin kasi iniisip)

I am a lawyer na ganito ang career background:

First job - no litigation (govt admin work)

Second job - corporate and tax advisory

Third - govt, contractual, no litigation

And nag-apply for a govt plantilla na no litigation work din

Sana matanggap diba! I really like my work now and I really like yung in-apply ko na plantilla position pero siyempre di mawala sa isip ko, lawyer ako pero di ako naglilitigation parang di ko nari-reach ang max potential ko. At naiinggit ako sa mga peers ko na sobrang batak na sa litigation.

Behind the scene, I rejected 5 offers from law firms kasi natanggap nga ako as contractual which pays really well.. I have to support my aging parents who have no retirement plan. Sa side ko naman, di ako makapag side-gig ng litigation kasi nga nasimulan ko na ng puro non-litigation, so diba kailangan may magmementor sa akin, and lahat ng friends ko nag lie-low na sa litigation kasi may anak na or nasa advisory firm din so wala akong mapagtanungan about litigation. Ang mga co-workers ko naman, may side gig sila sa litigation so they are able to earn more.

And unti-unti ko nang nakakalimutan ang remedial law. Para bang, nag eexistential crisis ako and at the same time kailangan maging thankful ako sa steady stream of income.

Hindi lang naman ako puro compensation, nagfi-free legal advice and work ako sa kamag-anak para makatulong din sa kapwa.

Dagdag ko lang yung ULAS requirements na ang sakit sa ulo! Hindi naman ako naglilitigation kaya pahirapan pa.

Sa inyo na lawyers na nasa non-litigation work, kamusta experience ninyo, and nakakaexperience din pa kayo ng existential crisis na what if nag litigation ako

P.S. sana matanggap sa plantilla jusko para sa pangarap at ekonomiya at para makapag master's degree na rin

More P.S. Wag niyo ako i-bash, alam ko na dapat nagpasalamat, minsan talaga inaatake lang ako ng anxiety at existential crisis. Na, tama ba itong ginagawa ko.

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u/diabeticcake — 10 days ago