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[LoTM V8] Who would win in a hypothetical battle between 7 orthodox gods vs ASG and his 8 KOAs
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[LoTM V8] Who would win in a hypothetical battle between 7 orthodox gods vs ASG and his 8 KOAs

Yeah, it's a 7 v 8 standoff

u/Time_Service5585 — 1 day ago
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[COI General] Sequence 3 War Bishop VS Gojo, Sukuna, Toji. (MCF is not a wincon, read more for rules)

The earth shook as a portal appeared before the world of Jujutsu Sorcerers. Amidst rubble, a figure appeared before Toji, Sukuna (10S is not allowed unless MCF is) and the dubbed Strongest Sorcerer of Today, Gojo. It was a Figure Wrapped In Crimson Flame

Before the fight starts, here are the rules:

•10 Minutes to Prepare Before the Fight.

•Everyone is aware the abilities of each participant in the fight.

•The Trio would team up for the sake of defeating the War Bishop

•War Bishop can pop his MCF without losing control (but the MCF won't work on three for equivalent exchange•

•War Bishop can use his divinity instead of Cursed Energy.

•The Fight Takes Place in Israel, Tel Aviv.

•Bishop Is Sacrifice Oriented (Has some Sequence 2 Abilities)

u/Afraid_Signature8745 — 3 days ago
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[LOTM] How many of you wanted to lay eyes on the legendary showdown between these two icons?🤓👆

It’s such a shame the author didn't depict that world shaking battle from the old earth era

u/LORROR — 4 days ago
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Neutral universe/multiverse

Pillars are unrestricted by OC's time restrictions

Both groups don't have info about each other's abilities

Death/sealing/incapacitation are the wincon

First scenario are individual fights

Seo Eun Hyun vs Klein fused with CW

Life supreme Deity Bong Hwa vs Mother goddess of depravity

Future King Fate supreme deity Hong Fan Gu Jue vs lord of the astral world Primordial God Almighty

Second scenario is a group fight

Seo, Bong Hwa, FK vs Lotm, GA, mgod

u/MoreManufacturer5369 — 11 days ago

How are sequence 2 angels multiversal?

Geniunely... how?

Is it cause of dimensions? They barely have 'star' level attacks and hax... theyre literally fighting on earth and stuff..

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u/FlatCycle9454 — 3 days ago
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Q: Mr. Cuttlefish, can the "Dao Fruit" (道果) instantly create a universe with infinitely large dimensional gaps and infinite dimensions?

CF: Yes.

TN: Sage of Samsara question

Hello Teacher Cuttlefish, I have two questions I’d like to ask you

  1. Since there have been multiple generations of the Oldest One and the Mother Goddess, are there differences in the structure of the universe created by each generation, for example, a purely rational universe, or a real world + multiverse structure like in The Sage Who Transcended Samsara? [TL Note: A previous novel by CF]

  2. The star dominions that appear later in Circle of Inevitability correspond to which celestial systems?

CF:

This counts under expanded worldbuilding, you can assume that it exists.

Q: Since the God of the Door pathway can manipulate the concept of space, does this mean that if they were transported to a universe with infinite higher dimensions, they would still be able to control those dimensions? After all, these dimensions still fall under the broader concept of space.

CF: Yes.

D: Mr. Cuttlefish. I'd like to ask: Does power of the Primordial Creator rely sefirot and beyonder characteristics

Previously, it was only mentioned tl the massive aggregation of sefirot a bevonder characteristics would cau the Primordial to revive. without dire stating that the Primordial's power comes from sefirot. I want to know: when the universe reaches its end, and the Fourth Pillar brings about the destruction and restart of the entire Jniverse-even Great Old Ones perish and the universe returns to chaos-will sefirot and beyonder characteristics stil exist? If not, and the Primordia awakens from the Chaos Primogenitor n the next epoch to recreate the universe, does this mean the Primordial's power is not directly relatec to sefirot but only to the Primordia itself?

CF: Correct, it is only related to the Primordial itself. This time, It itsel became the sefirot, uniqueness, and characteristics

Q1: 1) Can the Most Ancient One create a multiverse in the next cycle? Or can he only create a single universe? 2) Will domains like the Astral World and Spiri Norld exist in every cycle? Or could there be completely different cosmologica views? 3) Will the Most Ancient One always be mad and unstable? Or can he become stable in the next cycle? 41:1. The form of the created universe depends on the Original Creator's thought.

02: If the next universe does not contain Beyonder characteristics, will the Original Creator still converge and diverge due to the "Law of Beyonder Characteristic Convergence"?

A2: Beyonder characteristics are the cornerstone composing the Primordial They will still exist

Q: Teacher Cuttlefish, do parallel universes exist in the LotM universe? A: There are universes derived from the LotM universe, with this one as the main one.

I doubt the creator god scale to the original creator as he is even able to make the world of sage who transcends simsara

Which it means being able to create the dao fruit which could create and destroy anything and everything and is indescribable and unknowable

The power being incomprehensible

Good afternoon. Teacher Cuttlefish. If Meng Qi opens the heavens in the new era, could He make it so that "the present node" doesn't exist in this era? And without the limitation of the present node, if the infinite tributaries of the long river of time and the infinite tributaries of each tributary infinitely split within this era, could each tributary eventually give birth to worlds similar to Journey to the West? If so, could legends, upon completion project into all worlds? Could the Dao Fruit still occupy all futures? Could the Other Shore still possess most futures? A: That would mean changing the essential structure of the universe at creation.

(T/N: The Sage Who Transcended Samsara question

Also, the creator god's being limited does not make them omnipotent, and tell me what they have actually done to be.Compared to the original creator

Good afternoon, Mr. Cuttlefish. May 1 ask: Since the Dao Fruit transcends the limitations of the current node. are all the infinite branching futures of the universe created by the Dao Fruit-along with the infinite branches splitting from each stream over infinite divisions---real to the Dao Fruit not illusory? Do they only appear illusory because we haven't reached the level of the Dao Fruit? And are impossible futures or futures after the end of an epoch also subiect to its will, existing or vanishing at a mere thought?

CF: Any guess would be wrong.

TN: Sage who Transcended Samsara

Q: Is the Eternal Darkness an 0ld One leaning towards reality/physical? Is the part of the svmbolism that the Astral World Sovereign cannot completely seal, corresponding to the root symbols of the various Outer Old Ones? A: The svmbolism itself cannot be completely sealed, otherwise a single fight would lead to cosmic apocalypse

My understanding is this: Natura concepts are ordinarv things that evervone can understand. while

symbolic concepts in the astral worlo seem higher.

For example, even if natural concepts disappear, as long as astral concepts remain, those ideas still exist. So, in the astral world, are natural concepts merely reflections of it?

CF: Yes.

https://psbattles.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000088194

H1T scaling asteral world

Now I want to make things clear I agree with the scaling of H1T+ first chaos in regressor's tale of cultivation but everything besides that, like creator gods or the future king well scale to H1T

Same as the great old ones and lesser than the original creator who scales to H1T+ and being able to create infinite great old ones and most likely infinite dao fruits. in sage who transcends samsara there is multiple entities below that level being above universes or multiverses

Also the god almighty and the lord of the mysteries are able to fight against infinite great old ones who scale to h1T

Their output and abilities are limited only due to the fact of the original creator symbolic, interference and laws of the universe like convergence or conservation

u/SwannEntities — 11 days ago

For reference:

Phlogiston is an atom upon which information can be transcribed—a form of "computronium" that can imitate the essence of anything through the weaving of language.

This is why phlogiston can take different forms and why phantoms could be seen at repair mechanisms.

It is programmable matter and considered the most efficient form of storing information.

The Pyro Sovereign is the primordial master of elements, and elemental energy is its modern counterpart.

Xiuhcoatl was the master of the first flame, wielder of all light, heat, and wisdom.

He controlled the primal flame and could plunge his entire body into it.

By all rights, he could not have been harmed if he hadn't modified one of his pupils to serve as the control hub for Huitzilopochtli.

In the beginning, he was birthed from the primal flame on the Sacred Mountain and shaped the Sacred City.

He used the primal flame to mold the Dragonborn, gifting them with offshoots of that fire.

Using phlogiston, he created the Sacred City of Tollan with just a flap of his wings.

Since he was born from phlogiston, he was an information-based life form.

He also created Astral Assemblages—phlogiston compressed under pressure into floating spheres of heat, comparable to star-forging.

Huitzilopochtli is a device that can transform Natlan, and eventually the entire world, into phlogiston and phlogiston-only matter.

By burning everything, it transcribes and replicates all information into phlogiston units.

All life would either die or become phlogiston lifeforms.

It can also destroy the Abyss by attaching Astral Assemblages for mutual annihilation.

The device is activated by reuniting Xiuhcoatl's pupils, the two Golden Entreaties.

Legend has it that the original primal flame was the birthplace of light and wisdom, and the horn of the Pyro Dragon shone like a pillar of fire, illuminating the savage, desolate world.”

“In the beginning, in the deepest, darkest of nights, the master of flame emulated the sun, thus supplanting the light of the starry skies.

This is what happens when Huitzilopochtli occurs — it could be a peek at primordial Teyvat, at least where Phlogiston is involved:

There shall be neither Ley Lines nor substantive bodies... We shall own everything, yet never again own anything.

We shall be beholden to neither birth nor death.

Perhaps even life's meaning shall become null and void to us. When Natlan is fully Phlogistonized, the very concept of life will be rewritten.

That authority will then return naturally."

Before you stretches a world of pure white.

None can know what light means in this realm, for it permeates every corner.

Nor does time retain any meaning — ten million years pass in what seems but a moment. "It," or something that was once "it," is the sole remaining consciousness.

This is a world the shadow can never again threaten, but is it a world with any meaning? "It" knows that the primal flame is not inexhaustible, though it shall burn for billions of years in this dark cosmic sea.

Sometimes, "it" recalls, as if in a dream, travels it once embarked on alongside two companions when the land was still tangible.

Holding onto these memories, "it" thinks it might yet endure the torment until death comes upon eternity's far shore.

Still, "it" recalls, time and again... But still, for reasons none can know, only "it" remains. If it could return to that moment, was there... another choice?.

u/Apart_Suggestion5925 — 14 days ago

Oc/ pillars/ authorities and abilities

: Teacher Cuttlefish, I have a few questions I hope you can answer. 1: How many Pillar-level symbolisms do the Lord of the Mysteries and God Almighty have? Since the Mother Goddess of Depravity has two, how many do the other two Pillars have? 2: What pathway does the Constantine family control? Which empire did they support in the Fourth Epoch? 3: Is the Evil Dragon considered the fully activated City of Calamity? Does: opposing the Evil Dragon equal opposing the fully activated City of Calamity? A: Pillar symbolisms are generally one: Reality, Spirit World, Astral World. Q2: So only the Mother Goddess of Depravity has two Pillar symbolisms (Chaos Primogenitor and Reality Sovereign)? The Mother Goddess is truly strong. A2: After all, the Chaos Primogenitor, once born, doesn't belong to Her anymore; it's more like borrowing. Q3: Didn't you previously say the Fourth Pillar's "Space-Time in one" and "Origin of All Things" are Pillar symbolisms? So the Fourth Pillar also has dual Pillar symbolisms, right? A3: "Spacetime Unifier" and "End of All Things" are different aspects of the End Symbolism. (TL/N: yes, origin as question and End as answer)

Q: Hello, Teacher Cuttlefish ε٩(๑> ₃ <)۶з. Besides removing the barrier and forcibly suppressing the Brood Hive's will, can the Chaos Primogenitor, with its limited use, achieve other things only the Original Creator could do, like splitting Sefirah, or strengthening the Original Creator’s consciousness within an Old One, or even directly cause an Old One to die truly? A: It can achieve things in terms of event type, but not with that great intensity.

Can the Sun's "Notarization" affect supernatural abilities (like speech-type abilities, Miracle Invoker's wishes) authorities (like "Miracle" "Change"), and traits (like the Pale Emperor's "Sovereign of Spirit")? A: Yes.

Teacher Cuttlefish, you mentioned in a previous session that the Knowledge Moor is the Original Creator's essence of knowledge. But compared to the Original Creator's Yin-Yang of Calamity and the Original Creator’s Fate of the Key of Light, this "essence of knowledge" seems slightly insubstantial. May I ask what the concrete manifestations of the essence of knowledge are? A: Knowledge is information. Theories like information grand unification also exist.

Teacher Octopus, may I ask a question about theft? Can stealing 'Authority' be understood as 'stealing everything under a certain domain' from the target? For example, if a Worm of Time steals the 'Authority of Change,' would it steal all abilities related to change, or just the single ability 'Grafting'? A: The entire authority.

Cuttlefish, Cuttlefish, may I ask, can the Door pathway achieve parallel world travel? "Key to all Mysterious Worlds", does that indicate it can enter other planes? A: Yes.

In the official account's previous post about the "High-Dimensional Overseer," it mentioned 【Through gazing and illusion,, making real objects disappear, making illusions real】. What's the difference between that and The Fool's 【Turning Falsehood into Truth】? A: The principle/mechanism of realizing it is different.

Hello, Teacher Cuttlefish. I want to confirm something: Since the Chaos Primogenitor still exists, the Mother Goddess remains a Pillar even after the Brood Hive separates from Her. Does this mean the special symbolism of the Chaos Primogenitor should also be considered a Pillar-level symbolism or equivalent to Pillar symbolism? A: Yes

Teacher Cuttlefish, who is the deity that walked out from the Abraham family's "Grade 0" sealed artifact, the "Scroll of God"? A: A power projection of "high-dimensional fantasy becoming reality."

Respected Cuttlefish, thank you for creating this novel and congratulations on completing the setting. I have a very important question I've always wanted to know. May I ask you? Regarding "Authority," I feel there is still some ambiguity. Specifically: Are the various abilities we see from authority holders the authority itself, or are they "abilities" that are supported and elevated to the level of "authority and concept" by the authority (permission)? To simplify the question, take the "Error" pathway as an example (it illustrates the point better than "White Tower" because it's not just "simulation," but "theft"). Before Sequence 1, "Error" cannot steal authorities. So, before that, if they face an authority holder, can they only steal the "abilities" or the "external manifestations," without the "authority/permission" that operates at a deeper level? Thus, authority is merely "permission, concept, and domain," while the ability remains just an "ability"? It's like stealing "Wish" without the "Miracle Authority," or stealing "Entropy" without the "Disorder Authority," and so on. A: Some are various abilities supported and elevated to the corresponding level by the authority; some are direct uses of the authority, akin to changing the underlying code. Q2: Good afternoon, Respected Master Cuttlefish! I have a setting question about "Authority" I'd like to ask. After revisiting the original novel and some Q&As on the public WeChat account, I'd like to confirm if the following understanding is correct: "Authority" seems to be composed of two parts: one part is "Beyonder ability," and the other part is the "permission" within that domain that grants this ability a more underlying and higher status. However, this "ability" derived from authority cannot be "simulated" or "stolen" because it is inherently embedded within that authority. At most, other pathways can only create seemingly identical "external manifestations" by understanding mystical and physical laws, but the "essence" of the two is completely different. The reference for this conclusion is that Franca once mentioned a certain "Catastrophe ability" could be "elevated to the level of authority" or "involve authority and concepts," implying this duality. Furthermore, combined with your replies to other book friends a few days ago and some scenes in the book, I have also confirmed this point. After all, it is not that extraordinary abilities exist first and then sublimate into authorities. The true underlying logic is: The "Original Creator" sits at the absolute apex; all things derive downwards from the top — "Symbols" derive downwards into "Authorities," and "Authorities" manifest downwards as "Beyonder abilities." Is this interpretation correct? A2: Yes.

Can a Sequence 1 "Seer" use "Grafting" to set themselves or a marionette as the "starting point," and an enemy or designated target as the "end point," thereby redirecting an attack originally aimed at them along this grafted connection to ultimately hit that end target? Can a Sequence 2 "Seer," through the "Shapeshifting" ability, with appropriate restraints and accumulated wishes, transform into the mythical creature form of another pathway and use its corresponding abilities? Or is the "Shapeshifting" ability itself sufficient to achieve this? Can "conditional wishes" be set that only manifest when specific behaviors or conditions are met? For example, connecting the lives of insignificant beings (like ants) to a higher-level existence, so that when these ants are killed, their deaths trigger harm to a powerful target, akin to a kind of "oath." Although this example seems extreme, the core of the question is whether one can actively sacrifice something through a wish to obtain equivalent or even higher-level gains, similar to a principle of "equivalent exchange"? A: 2. Yes, wishes bring miracles.

Respected Teacher Love Diving Cuttlefish: I still have some questions about the potential application of "Wishes" in the Fool pathway, especially when combined with other abilities. I hope you can answer whether the following concepts are feasible: Can a Sequence 2 "Fool" use the "Shapeshifting" ability, with appropriate constraints and accumulation of wishes, to shapeshift into mythical creatures of other pathways and use their corresponding abilities? Or is the "Shapeshifting" ability alone sufficient to achieve this? At the Sequence 0 level, can one, through wishing under appropriate constraints and accumulation, temporarily obtain abilities or authorities from other Sequence 0 pathways (e.g., Error or Door)? Furthermore, could such wishes also temporarily obtain abilities from non-adjacent pathways? Going further, could a Sequence 1 or Sequence 0 "Fool" approach or even match other pathways' specific domains (e.g., Purification) at the same sequence level through wishes? Can a Sequence 0 Fool who can use surface-level symbolisms directly mobilize or strengthen the symbolic meaning inherent in "Wish" itself — for example, "Inconceivable" and "Bizarre" — without needing to fully utilize authorities, thereby distorting, weakening, or interfering with other authorities? At the Sequence 1 or Sequence 0 level, can one intentionally make an extreme wish, then transfer or graft its cost onto a marionette (or have the marionette formally make the wish), or even graft it onto an enemy, thereby avoiding bearing the distortion backlash of the wish oneself?

A: 1. Needs cooperation with Miracle Wishing.

: Good afternoon, dear Cuttlefish! I have a question about authorities, imitation, and theft. Last week, you confirmed that authority includes two aspects: "ability" and "permission." You mentioned some authorities are purely "permission," while some have both. Many fans in my circle have asked me to ask you: Can the "ability" aspect of an authority be imitated or stolen (for theft, at least before Sequence 1)? And does imitating the external manifestation of an authority not represent directly imitating the "ability" itself without "permission," but merely imitating its operational mechanism and visual effects? Is this understanding correct? For example, when Sasrir used the power of the "Chaos Sea" to imitate "Reboot," the river that appeared was never described as "silver" or "mercury colored," which is very rare in descriptions of the River of Fate. This seems to be a hint that "He" did not directly simulate the "Reboot" ability itself, but only imitated the ability's impact on the world and its external manifestation when activated. A: The abilities within an authority can be imitated, but they are inferior to the permission itself, meaning they will be suppressed by the permission.

: Teacher Cuttlefish, it's ending soon. It's been a long time since you've answered my question. QAQ In a previous answer, you said the River of Eternal Darkness has the symbolism of light. In the original text, the Evernight Goddess's image and abilities have stars appearing. Does this mean the symbolism of light manifests as stars within Sequence 0 Darkness? Between the Tyrant's "Tyrant" authority and the Sun's "Holy" authority, which one is closer to the symbolism of God Almighty as the Father of All Things? May I ask about Lilith's true name and nationality during her time as a survivor of the Old Era? A: 1. Where time and space become one is Darkness. And time is similar to the light cone. (TL/N: check trivia) Q2: Teacher Cuttlefish, you said before that within the light cone is fate. Now you mention time is similar to the light cone. So, does the Space-Time in One also approximate to the Fate in One, symbolizing that fate returns to End? A2: The extension of fate is the extension in space-time.

: Teacher Cuttlefish, can a complete Mirrored Original Creator completely destroy Sefirah?

A: Cannot, but it can tear apart and reorganize. Because Sefirah are symbolisms of certain parts of the universe, destroying a Sefirah means the universe gradually collapses, heading toward its end. Moreover, the mirror world depends on real-world mirror objects. Q2: Teacher Cuttlefish, didn't you say last time that a complete Mirrored Original Creator cannot truly destroy the world or create a new world?

: Mr. Cuttlefish, what can the Original Creator do that the Mirrored Original Creator cannot? CF: Truly destroy the entire world and create a new one. Q2: Can the born Chaos Primogenitor accomplish this? CF: Yes, as the birth of a new Original Creator. -Wheel of Fortune Abilities #8

: Then, Teacher Cuttlefish, in his complete form, can the Mirrored Original Creator break the rule that the spirits of the Great Old Ones are indestructible? Can he completely destroy a Great Old One? Q4: If a downgraded version of Original Creator like the Mirrored Original Creator is born, could it resolve the problem of Lumian having the Termination symbolism?

A2: Wasn't my answer that destroying a Sefirah equals destroying the world? A3: Yes, so God Almighty and the Celestial Worthy both didn't want the Mirrored Original Creator to be born. A4: It could, but if it is born, Lumian would be gone.

Can a Diviner use the "Open Door" ability on their own body to make specific parts ethereal? For example, using this ability on the chest to avoid a bullet? (This might also help this sequence shake off its "memetic" status.) Thank you again for everything. Have a great day. A: 3. It depends on the level of the "Open Door" ability. If it's at the Apprentice level, that's essentially opening your own chest, which is tantamount to committing suicide before the enemy kills you.

Is it reasonable to temporarily define "King of Kings of Angels" as "angels capable of mobilizing the power of a Sefirah"? A: 1. The Sefirah is the most important thing. So, if you can mobilize it, you are a King of Kings.

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u/SwannEntities — 4 days ago
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In a scenario where suddenly the church of the Fool pops up in their universe. Klein is friendly to humanity as always and would try to protect it. However he lost some of his humanity, making him not know small things that were good for humanity. Basically making him only care about the large general people. How would the council react to Klein?

(The more follower Klein gets the more humanity he is able to gain/retain)

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u/MoreManufacturer5369 — 11 days ago