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[LOTM] How many of you wanted to lay eyes on the legendary showdown between these two icons?🤓👆
It’s such a shame the author didn't depict that world shaking battle from the old earth era
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It’s such a shame the author didn't depict that world shaking battle from the old earth era
: Teacher Cuttlefish, I have a few questions I hope you can answer. 1: How many Pillar-level symbolisms do the Lord of the Mysteries and God Almighty have? Since the Mother Goddess of Depravity has two, how many do the other two Pillars have? 2: What pathway does the Constantine family control? Which empire did they support in the Fourth Epoch? 3: Is the Evil Dragon considered the fully activated City of Calamity? Does: opposing the Evil Dragon equal opposing the fully activated City of Calamity? A: Pillar symbolisms are generally one: Reality, Spirit World, Astral World. Q2: So only the Mother Goddess of Depravity has two Pillar symbolisms (Chaos Primogenitor and Reality Sovereign)? The Mother Goddess is truly strong. A2: After all, the Chaos Primogenitor, once born, doesn't belong to Her anymore; it's more like borrowing. Q3: Didn't you previously say the Fourth Pillar's "Space-Time in one" and "Origin of All Things" are Pillar symbolisms? So the Fourth Pillar also has dual Pillar symbolisms, right? A3: "Spacetime Unifier" and "End of All Things" are different aspects of the End Symbolism. (TL/N: yes, origin as question and End as answer)
Q: Hello, Teacher Cuttlefish ε٩(๑> ₃ <)۶з. Besides removing the barrier and forcibly suppressing the Brood Hive's will, can the Chaos Primogenitor, with its limited use, achieve other things only the Original Creator could do, like splitting Sefirah, or strengthening the Original Creator’s consciousness within an Old One, or even directly cause an Old One to die truly? A: It can achieve things in terms of event type, but not with that great intensity.
Can the Sun's "Notarization" affect supernatural abilities (like speech-type abilities, Miracle Invoker's wishes) authorities (like "Miracle" "Change"), and traits (like the Pale Emperor's "Sovereign of Spirit")? A: Yes.
Teacher Cuttlefish, you mentioned in a previous session that the Knowledge Moor is the Original Creator's essence of knowledge. But compared to the Original Creator's Yin-Yang of Calamity and the Original Creator’s Fate of the Key of Light, this "essence of knowledge" seems slightly insubstantial. May I ask what the concrete manifestations of the essence of knowledge are? A: Knowledge is information. Theories like information grand unification also exist.
Teacher Octopus, may I ask a question about theft? Can stealing 'Authority' be understood as 'stealing everything under a certain domain' from the target? For example, if a Worm of Time steals the 'Authority of Change,' would it steal all abilities related to change, or just the single ability 'Grafting'? A: The entire authority.
Cuttlefish, Cuttlefish, may I ask, can the Door pathway achieve parallel world travel? "Key to all Mysterious Worlds", does that indicate it can enter other planes? A: Yes.
In the official account's previous post about the "High-Dimensional Overseer," it mentioned 【Through gazing and illusion,, making real objects disappear, making illusions real】. What's the difference between that and The Fool's 【Turning Falsehood into Truth】? A: The principle/mechanism of realizing it is different.
Hello, Teacher Cuttlefish. I want to confirm something: Since the Chaos Primogenitor still exists, the Mother Goddess remains a Pillar even after the Brood Hive separates from Her. Does this mean the special symbolism of the Chaos Primogenitor should also be considered a Pillar-level symbolism or equivalent to Pillar symbolism? A: Yes
Teacher Cuttlefish, who is the deity that walked out from the Abraham family's "Grade 0" sealed artifact, the "Scroll of God"? A: A power projection of "high-dimensional fantasy becoming reality."
Respected Cuttlefish, thank you for creating this novel and congratulations on completing the setting. I have a very important question I've always wanted to know. May I ask you? Regarding "Authority," I feel there is still some ambiguity. Specifically: Are the various abilities we see from authority holders the authority itself, or are they "abilities" that are supported and elevated to the level of "authority and concept" by the authority (permission)? To simplify the question, take the "Error" pathway as an example (it illustrates the point better than "White Tower" because it's not just "simulation," but "theft"). Before Sequence 1, "Error" cannot steal authorities. So, before that, if they face an authority holder, can they only steal the "abilities" or the "external manifestations," without the "authority/permission" that operates at a deeper level? Thus, authority is merely "permission, concept, and domain," while the ability remains just an "ability"? It's like stealing "Wish" without the "Miracle Authority," or stealing "Entropy" without the "Disorder Authority," and so on. A: Some are various abilities supported and elevated to the corresponding level by the authority; some are direct uses of the authority, akin to changing the underlying code. Q2: Good afternoon, Respected Master Cuttlefish! I have a setting question about "Authority" I'd like to ask. After revisiting the original novel and some Q&As on the public WeChat account, I'd like to confirm if the following understanding is correct: "Authority" seems to be composed of two parts: one part is "Beyonder ability," and the other part is the "permission" within that domain that grants this ability a more underlying and higher status. However, this "ability" derived from authority cannot be "simulated" or "stolen" because it is inherently embedded within that authority. At most, other pathways can only create seemingly identical "external manifestations" by understanding mystical and physical laws, but the "essence" of the two is completely different. The reference for this conclusion is that Franca once mentioned a certain "Catastrophe ability" could be "elevated to the level of authority" or "involve authority and concepts," implying this duality. Furthermore, combined with your replies to other book friends a few days ago and some scenes in the book, I have also confirmed this point. After all, it is not that extraordinary abilities exist first and then sublimate into authorities. The true underlying logic is: The "Original Creator" sits at the absolute apex; all things derive downwards from the top — "Symbols" derive downwards into "Authorities," and "Authorities" manifest downwards as "Beyonder abilities." Is this interpretation correct? A2: Yes.
Can a Sequence 1 "Seer" use "Grafting" to set themselves or a marionette as the "starting point," and an enemy or designated target as the "end point," thereby redirecting an attack originally aimed at them along this grafted connection to ultimately hit that end target? Can a Sequence 2 "Seer," through the "Shapeshifting" ability, with appropriate restraints and accumulated wishes, transform into the mythical creature form of another pathway and use its corresponding abilities? Or is the "Shapeshifting" ability itself sufficient to achieve this? Can "conditional wishes" be set that only manifest when specific behaviors or conditions are met? For example, connecting the lives of insignificant beings (like ants) to a higher-level existence, so that when these ants are killed, their deaths trigger harm to a powerful target, akin to a kind of "oath." Although this example seems extreme, the core of the question is whether one can actively sacrifice something through a wish to obtain equivalent or even higher-level gains, similar to a principle of "equivalent exchange"? A: 2. Yes, wishes bring miracles.
Respected Teacher Love Diving Cuttlefish: I still have some questions about the potential application of "Wishes" in the Fool pathway, especially when combined with other abilities. I hope you can answer whether the following concepts are feasible: Can a Sequence 2 "Fool" use the "Shapeshifting" ability, with appropriate constraints and accumulation of wishes, to shapeshift into mythical creatures of other pathways and use their corresponding abilities? Or is the "Shapeshifting" ability alone sufficient to achieve this? At the Sequence 0 level, can one, through wishing under appropriate constraints and accumulation, temporarily obtain abilities or authorities from other Sequence 0 pathways (e.g., Error or Door)? Furthermore, could such wishes also temporarily obtain abilities from non-adjacent pathways? Going further, could a Sequence 1 or Sequence 0 "Fool" approach or even match other pathways' specific domains (e.g., Purification) at the same sequence level through wishes? Can a Sequence 0 Fool who can use surface-level symbolisms directly mobilize or strengthen the symbolic meaning inherent in "Wish" itself — for example, "Inconceivable" and "Bizarre" — without needing to fully utilize authorities, thereby distorting, weakening, or interfering with other authorities? At the Sequence 1 or Sequence 0 level, can one intentionally make an extreme wish, then transfer or graft its cost onto a marionette (or have the marionette formally make the wish), or even graft it onto an enemy, thereby avoiding bearing the distortion backlash of the wish oneself?
A: 1. Needs cooperation with Miracle Wishing.
: Good afternoon, dear Cuttlefish! I have a question about authorities, imitation, and theft. Last week, you confirmed that authority includes two aspects: "ability" and "permission." You mentioned some authorities are purely "permission," while some have both. Many fans in my circle have asked me to ask you: Can the "ability" aspect of an authority be imitated or stolen (for theft, at least before Sequence 1)? And does imitating the external manifestation of an authority not represent directly imitating the "ability" itself without "permission," but merely imitating its operational mechanism and visual effects? Is this understanding correct? For example, when Sasrir used the power of the "Chaos Sea" to imitate "Reboot," the river that appeared was never described as "silver" or "mercury colored," which is very rare in descriptions of the River of Fate. This seems to be a hint that "He" did not directly simulate the "Reboot" ability itself, but only imitated the ability's impact on the world and its external manifestation when activated. A: The abilities within an authority can be imitated, but they are inferior to the permission itself, meaning they will be suppressed by the permission.
: Teacher Cuttlefish, it's ending soon. It's been a long time since you've answered my question. QAQ In a previous answer, you said the River of Eternal Darkness has the symbolism of light. In the original text, the Evernight Goddess's image and abilities have stars appearing. Does this mean the symbolism of light manifests as stars within Sequence 0 Darkness? Between the Tyrant's "Tyrant" authority and the Sun's "Holy" authority, which one is closer to the symbolism of God Almighty as the Father of All Things? May I ask about Lilith's true name and nationality during her time as a survivor of the Old Era? A: 1. Where time and space become one is Darkness. And time is similar to the light cone. (TL/N: check trivia) Q2: Teacher Cuttlefish, you said before that within the light cone is fate. Now you mention time is similar to the light cone. So, does the Space-Time in One also approximate to the Fate in One, symbolizing that fate returns to End? A2: The extension of fate is the extension in space-time.
: Teacher Cuttlefish, can a complete Mirrored Original Creator completely destroy Sefirah?
A: Cannot, but it can tear apart and reorganize. Because Sefirah are symbolisms of certain parts of the universe, destroying a Sefirah means the universe gradually collapses, heading toward its end. Moreover, the mirror world depends on real-world mirror objects. Q2: Teacher Cuttlefish, didn't you say last time that a complete Mirrored Original Creator cannot truly destroy the world or create a new world?
: Mr. Cuttlefish, what can the Original Creator do that the Mirrored Original Creator cannot? CF: Truly destroy the entire world and create a new one. Q2: Can the born Chaos Primogenitor accomplish this? CF: Yes, as the birth of a new Original Creator. -Wheel of Fortune Abilities #8
: Then, Teacher Cuttlefish, in his complete form, can the Mirrored Original Creator break the rule that the spirits of the Great Old Ones are indestructible? Can he completely destroy a Great Old One? Q4: If a downgraded version of Original Creator like the Mirrored Original Creator is born, could it resolve the problem of Lumian having the Termination symbolism?
A2: Wasn't my answer that destroying a Sefirah equals destroying the world? A3: Yes, so God Almighty and the Celestial Worthy both didn't want the Mirrored Original Creator to be born. A4: It could, but if it is born, Lumian would be gone.
Can a Diviner use the "Open Door" ability on their own body to make specific parts ethereal? For example, using this ability on the chest to avoid a bullet? (This might also help this sequence shake off its "memetic" status.) Thank you again for everything. Have a great day. A: 3. It depends on the level of the "Open Door" ability. If it's at the Apprentice level, that's essentially opening your own chest, which is tantamount to committing suicide before the enemy kills you.
Is it reasonable to temporarily define "King of Kings of Angels" as "angels capable of mobilizing the power of a Sefirah"? A: 1. The Sefirah is the most important thing. So, if you can mobilize it, you are a King of Kings.
1 you could graze up to 7 souls
Okay if we graze seven shepherds
That is 49 souls we could graze, using the ability of shepherding
Then if we take the soul of a depraver taking the ability of deprivation we can deprive the shepherds shepherding if we do this for each of this seven souls of the shepherds, there would be 7 more shepherds seven more grazing of souls now it's around ninety or a hundred souls You could graze as a shepherd theoretically just imagine the absurdity truly the most overpowered pathway at seq 5
1 Graze 7 shepard's choose the grazing ability 2 using the souls grazing ability graze Depriver and use deprivation 3 use it on shepherds taking the Grazing ability 4 start grazing like 10 people from different pathways, lower sequence 5 use grazing on the Marionettist So you could make marionette of shepherds you could technically keep going but like at that point you were just that omnipotent, you would never lose against any one below demi god
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Q: Mr. Cuttlefish, can the "Dao Fruit" (道果) instantly create a universe with infinitely large dimensional gaps and infinite dimensions?
CF: Yes.
TN: Sage of Samsara question
Hello Teacher Cuttlefish, I have two questions I’d like to ask you
Since there have been multiple generations of the Oldest One and the Mother Goddess, are there differences in the structure of the universe created by each generation, for example, a purely rational universe, or a real world + multiverse structure like in The Sage Who Transcended Samsara? [TL Note: A previous novel by CF]
The star dominions that appear later in Circle of Inevitability correspond to which celestial systems?
CF:
This counts under expanded worldbuilding, you can assume that it exists.
Q: Since the God of the Door pathway can manipulate the concept of space, does this mean that if they were transported to a universe with infinite higher dimensions, they would still be able to control those dimensions? After all, these dimensions still fall under the broader concept of space.
CF: Yes.
D: Mr. Cuttlefish. I'd like to ask: Does power of the Primordial Creator rely sefirot and beyonder characteristics
Previously, it was only mentioned tl the massive aggregation of sefirot a bevonder characteristics would cau the Primordial to revive. without dire stating that the Primordial's power comes from sefirot. I want to know: when the universe reaches its end, and the Fourth Pillar brings about the destruction and restart of the entire Jniverse-even Great Old Ones perish and the universe returns to chaos-will sefirot and beyonder characteristics stil exist? If not, and the Primordia awakens from the Chaos Primogenitor n the next epoch to recreate the universe, does this mean the Primordial's power is not directly relatec to sefirot but only to the Primordia itself?
CF: Correct, it is only related to the Primordial itself. This time, It itsel became the sefirot, uniqueness, and characteristics
Q1: 1) Can the Most Ancient One create a multiverse in the next cycle? Or can he only create a single universe? 2) Will domains like the Astral World and Spiri Norld exist in every cycle? Or could there be completely different cosmologica views? 3) Will the Most Ancient One always be mad and unstable? Or can he become stable in the next cycle? 41:1. The form of the created universe depends on the Original Creator's thought.
02: If the next universe does not contain Beyonder characteristics, will the Original Creator still converge and diverge due to the "Law of Beyonder Characteristic Convergence"?
A2: Beyonder characteristics are the cornerstone composing the Primordial They will still exist
Q: Teacher Cuttlefish, do parallel universes exist in the LotM universe? A: There are universes derived from the LotM universe, with this one as the main one.
I doubt the creator god scale to the original creator as he is even able to make the world of sage who transcends simsara
Which it means being able to create the dao fruit which could create and destroy anything and everything and is indescribable and unknowable
The power being incomprehensible
Good afternoon. Teacher Cuttlefish. If Meng Qi opens the heavens in the new era, could He make it so that "the present node" doesn't exist in this era? And without the limitation of the present node, if the infinite tributaries of the long river of time and the infinite tributaries of each tributary infinitely split within this era, could each tributary eventually give birth to worlds similar to Journey to the West? If so, could legends, upon completion project into all worlds? Could the Dao Fruit still occupy all futures? Could the Other Shore still possess most futures? A: That would mean changing the essential structure of the universe at creation.
(T/N: The Sage Who Transcended Samsara question
Also, the creator god's being limited does not make them omnipotent, and tell me what they have actually done to be.Compared to the original creator
Good afternoon, Mr. Cuttlefish. May 1 ask: Since the Dao Fruit transcends the limitations of the current node. are all the infinite branching futures of the universe created by the Dao Fruit-along with the infinite branches splitting from each stream over infinite divisions---real to the Dao Fruit not illusory? Do they only appear illusory because we haven't reached the level of the Dao Fruit? And are impossible futures or futures after the end of an epoch also subiect to its will, existing or vanishing at a mere thought?
CF: Any guess would be wrong.
TN: Sage who Transcended Samsara
Q: Is the Eternal Darkness an 0ld One leaning towards reality/physical? Is the part of the svmbolism that the Astral World Sovereign cannot completely seal, corresponding to the root symbols of the various Outer Old Ones? A: The svmbolism itself cannot be completely sealed, otherwise a single fight would lead to cosmic apocalypse
My understanding is this: Natura concepts are ordinarv things that evervone can understand. while
symbolic concepts in the astral worlo seem higher.
For example, even if natural concepts disappear, as long as astral concepts remain, those ideas still exist. So, in the astral world, are natural concepts merely reflections of it?
CF: Yes.
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H1T scaling asteral world
Now I want to make things clear I agree with the scaling of H1T+ first chaos in regressor's tale of cultivation but everything besides that, like creator gods or the future king well scale to H1T
Same as the great old ones and lesser than the original creator who scales to H1T+ and being able to create infinite great old ones and most likely infinite dao fruits. in sage who transcends samsara there is multiple entities below that level being above universes or multiverses
Also the god almighty and the lord of the mysteries are able to fight against infinite great old ones who scale to h1T
Their output and abilities are limited only due to the fact of the original creator symbolic, interference and laws of the universe like convergence or conservation
Lotm hax layers scaling
Okay if we take the interpretation of
Seq 3 to 2 is 1
The total should be
4 but 5 if we include the intermediaries or low level state of a great old one
For example, the one we saw in the fool's gambet is
5 layers if we take the progression from seq 3 to pillar level
More could be made if I wanted to start at seq 4 to 3
Is 1 layer so in that it should be 5 or 6
More could be argued bud.I don't really need to sense that's around the same number as what you've described for
Okay let me explain the layering
I was using for deceit
1 the ability of deceit is gained way back but let's start at seq 4
Amon avatar use the deceit on a seq 4 of the same pathway
But this person was half mad and we're getting chased and attacked by klein who was seq 4 most likely using a mental attack on top of his own
Causing him to be in a bad state of mind
Amon state it would have been much more difficult to deceive him if he was in the right state of mind not half mad and wasn't so terrified of him
Otherwise it was much more difficult even klein was affected by it
Meaning they should at least prove seq 4 to 3 is 1 layer
Or seq 3 to 2 is 1 layer this format could go all the way up to pillar level
Do to higher sequences being able to easily deceive lower ones
Bypassing resistance
Oh yeah simpler
Explanation of the thing I have up
1 seq 4 deceit on another seq 4 of the same pathway
Seq 4 of that same pathway is resistant to deceit so by the logic of seq 3 being able to deceive them they have one layer
Adding the intermediary stages like kings of angels or half old ones
Could I get it up to 11 or more and even more, if we start at a lower sequence than demagod
Some other arguments could be made for more layers although those are less about characters and more about abstractions and the way it functions in verse and some other stuff.As well
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1 the concepts did not exist until the great old ones were born
2 things do not exist without symbolism existing first
3 the foundation reality that sustains everything is actually symbolism
REALITY GAINED A FOUNDATION WHEN THE MOTHER GODDESS OF DEPRAVITY WAS BORN reality already existed, but it was not the foundation Until she was born and brought about her symbolism
Before that everything was still entangled
4 it doesn't have to be outside the reality but just independent of the concept it governs
5 things coming into existence due to the birth of the great old ones
Proved independence from the objects in existence
As it isn't dependent on those existences
In my opinion, this is enough to fulfill the requirement of being independent from the place where a day govern
But I will go into more detail
With the fact that reality gained the foundation after symbolism was born
It shows in reality symbolism is the one that sustains everything
Meaning, it isn't dependent on reality But another symbolism which being dependent on symbolism, if they are type one wouldn't disqualify it from being type one
Some additional information
That will just add like sprinkles to the argument
Symbolism stated to transcend the infinite abstractions of the spirit world
This proves they are beyond abstractions and above both reality and the spirit world as it doesn't use the word abstract and multiple statements of being upper or higher on top of the transcendent statement should imply it's not just abstraction, but transcendence
The fact that the lord of the mysteries could also destroy an infinite dimensional object adds to the possibility of 1A
And this proves, everything within the concept could be affected And destroyed
Lotm Klein(no OC restrictions) vs Rimuru