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Why do people shutdown the idea of a JFK conspiracy given the points below?

  1. JFK's brain went missing.(This to me is completely outrageous)
  2. Contradictory witness testimony of gunshots(confusion, panic, sound echo affect testimony, but if 15+ people are saying they saw/heard a shot from the knoll then there was probably a shot from the knoll. This is just common sense.)
  3. Found location of 2nd bullet is sus and it's only deformed a little on one side(some researchers say that deformation matches damage caused by the firing mechanism. a bullet lodged in someone's thigh usually doesn't just fall out on a stretcher)
  4. Even with the jump seat included (still undetermined what the actual positioning was), the 2nd bullet is still an insane and abnormal shot.
  5. Oswald's nitrate test doesn't support rifle ballistics or even handgun firing.(nitrate only found in palm.)
  6. Oswald's public reaction(surprised,"patsy")
  7. Oswald's own assassination by Jack Ruby(mob ties)
  8. Zapruder film is unreliable evidence. (poor film handling, NPIC testimony, independent research suggest tampering, Hawkeye-CIA affiliation)
  9. Zapruder film doesn't prove or disprove sequence of shots and reactions
  10. Secret Service was terrible.(Driver has a lukewarm IQ. Film from love field. etc. etc. Everyone in charge should have been fired for negligence)
  11. 50-100 suspicious deaths of 11/22/63 witnesses, persons of interest, New Orleans affiliates. (David Faire, Lee Bowers, Earlene Roberts, Dorothy Kilgallen, Gary Underhill, Guy Banister, the list just goes on and on. INSANE.)
  12. Amount of damage and the body movement from the final shot(Even when you consider a back brace and shot physics.)
  13. Declined military & state police support for parade.
  14. Autopsy mismatch and contradictory statements.(most deniers say "they were trying to save his life so ofc they didnt write down accurate reports." Bro was DEAD. There was no saving JFK. Even a dentist could take one look and say yeah nothing we can do.)
  15. Warren Commission investigators are very controversial picks (with some having motives and/or benefited from JFK's death)
  16. The amount of important individuals in government/agencies/military/weapon manufacturing who benefited from his death.
  17. The lack of transparency even to this day.
  18. Oswald is a known CIA asset - apparently even before going to Russia
  19. Oswald's participation in the New Orleans CIA funded gun running and training of Cuban rebels.
  20. Oswald apparently wasn't known as a good shooter.
  21. First two shots would be heavily obscured by foliage.
  22. Accuracy and Tempo of three shots from Oswald apparently would require a professional's efficiency.(This is still confusing to me bc some people say it was super easy from that range, but they never talk about the foliage and the timing of all three shots from a standing position. Other people say it's been tested from multiple marksmen and they couldn't replicate the accuracy and timing. So I have no idea here.)
  23. The context and incentives behind a government conspiracy. They had real motives and reasons to kill him if they did.
  24. There are probably over 50 more points I could add to list that would warrant suspicion.
  25. Look, I am not the type of person to believe everything I hear, BUT where there is smoke, there is a fire. And this case has so much smoke that to me -- you would have to be willfully ignorant or just plain stupid to completely conclude Oswald acted alone. I am not saying he didn't or did, but to deny all of the circumstantial evidence and context which there is a lot of-- is completely ridiculous. And let's be honest, given the time of the 60s if they government wants you dead and there to be no evidence-- they can get you easily. No matter who you are.
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u/napalmmonday — 22 hours ago

JFK survived two other assassination plots in the three weeks before Dallas

Most JFK discussions jump from Oswald straight to Dealey Plaza and skip the fact that there were at least two other documented plots against Kennedy in the three weeks before Dallas. Both have parallels to what happened on Nov 22, and both have Cuba/FPCC threads running through them.

Nov 2, 1963 — Chicago

JFK was set to fly into O'Hare, motorcade down the Northwest Expressway, exit at Jackson, and go to the Army–Air Force game at Soldier Field. The route was in the papers. Two separate threats surfaced:

  • A four-man hit team: A motel landlady reported seeing rifles with scopes and a map of the route on a bed rented by two Cuban nationals. Secret Service surveillance got blown (former agent Abraham Bolden says the FBI burned the informant). The Cubans were never identified. This strand ties to Homer Echevarria, an anti-Castro exile and arms dealer who told a Secret Service informant his group was going to "take care of Kennedy."
  • Thomas Arthur Vallee: Ex-Marine, John Birch Society, arrested the morning of Nov 2 with an M1, a handgun, and ~3,000 rounds. He worked at IPP Litho-Plate, 625 W. Jackson — a building overlooking the slow 90-degree turn the motorcade would have taken off the expressway. Same setup as the Book Depository.

The Oswald overlap with Vallee is hard to ignore: both ex-Marines, both stationed at U-2-linked bases in Japan (Camp Otsu for Vallee, Atsugi for Oswald), both flagged as "loners" with extremist politics, both working in a building on the motorcade route.

The Chicago trip was canceled about an hour after Vallee was picked up. Official reason: JFK was sick and busy with the Diem coup. Per Bolden, it was a security pull.

Nov 18, 1963 — Tampa

Four days before Dallas, JFK did a 28-mile open-top motorcade through Tampa. Security was up because of the Nov 9 Joseph Milteer tape, where Milteer told police informant Willie Somersett a plan to kill JFK was "in the working": "From an office building with a high-powered rifle... they will pick up somebody within hours afterwards, if anything like that would happen, just to throw the public off."

Four days later JFK was shot from an office building with a high-powered rifle, and Oswald was picked up within hours. The parallel Miami motorcade that day got canceled. Tampa went ahead.

Tampa police chief J.P. Mullins later confirmed the Secret Service had flagged three threat subjects in the area — one of whom was still in jail under heavy bond as of Nov 23. A Secret Service memo dated Nov 8 described one subject as "white, male, 20, slender build" who had stated he planned to "use a gun." The Tampa Tribune ran "Threats on Kennedy Made Here" on Nov 23. The main person of interest was Gilberto Policarpo Lopez — and his parallels with Oswald are hard to shrug off.

The Cuba / FPCC thread

Oswald ran the New Orleans FPCC chapter and was photographed handing out pro-Castro leaflets in August 1963. Lopez attended a Tampa FPCC meeting on Nov 17, the day before JFK's motorcade. Beyond that, per Waldron & Hartmann and declassified HSCA/CIA files, Lopez and Oswald share a startling overlap:

  • Both former defectors
  • Both of interest to Navy Intelligence
  • Both made mysterious trips to Mexico City in fall 1963 trying to reach Cuba
  • Both used the Nuevo Laredo border crossing; both reportedly traveled by car despite neither owning one
  • Both had recently separated from their wives
  • Both got into fistfights over pro-Castro sympathies in the summer of 1963

On Nov 23, the day after Dallas, Lopez crossed into Mexico at Nuevo Laredo. On Nov 27 he was the only passenger on Cubana Flight 465 from Mexico City to Havana. CIA cables called the timing "suspicious." Declassified docs indicate Lopez was on a "secret mission" involving Cuba that the agency considered more important to protect than the JFK investigation. The HSCA later faulted the FBI and CIA for not fully pursuing him.

Meanwhile the unidentified Chicago shooters were Cuban nationals tied to the anti-Castro exile network, with the trail running through Homer Echevarria.

So in three weeks: anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Chicago, a Cuban FPCC figure slipping out of Tampa to Havana, and an FPCC organizer in Dallas — all in cities on JFK's schedule, all roughly the same profile, all moving at the same time. "Lone nut" doesn't cover it.

Sources for further research:

  • Abraham Bolden, The Echo from Dealey Plaza (2008)
  • Edwin Black, "The Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago, November 2, 1963" (Chicago Independent, Nov 1975)
  • Waldron & Hartmann, Ultimate Sacrifice (Tampa chapters)
  • HSCA file on Gilberto Policarpo Lopez, NARA RIF 180-10141-10498
  • Mary Ferrell Foundation archive (Hoover letter re: Vallee, doc 112783)
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u/AsukaMLEnjoyer — 2 days ago

Another Crucial Witness in Dealey Plaza

The response and testimony of the people in Dealey Plaza are very crucial to gaining an understanding of what was happening in the JFK Assassination. Their details and encounters help put the pieces of the puzzle together. One of these very important witnesses is Malcolm Summers.

At the time of the assassination, Malcolm was developing a parcel delivery business and had a small office in the south area of Dealey Plaza. Around 12:30 am, He walked over to Elm street to view the motorcade. He can be seen on the Zapruder film as he jumped to the ground once the shooting started. Immediately after the chaos, he ran to the north side of Elm. This was typical with many of the witnesses in the area. It seemed everybody ran to the grassy knoll thinking the shots came from behind the fence. When Malcolm arrived, he was stopped by a man with an overcoat draped over his arm. Under the coat was the barrel of a gun. The man said “don’t come up here or you could get shot.”  Malcolm decided to retreat and headed back out of the area.

Malcolm walked thru this account several times over the years and was very consistent in his testimony. Shortly before he passed away, he made a formal statement for CSPAN which you can find on YOUTUBE. This account further indicates that some type of support team was in place to run interference. In his testimony, he also talks about the spacing of the shots which rules out a single bolt action rifle.

From Anthony Rante, Author of “The JFK Assassination: A Technical Review of the Evidence”

For more information, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_P9Cry73vg&t=495s

u/Content_Tale6681 — 3 days ago

The First Shot from the TSBD Sniper's Nest Went Through the Limousine's Vent Window

Tina Towner filmed the start of the shooting. This is a preview of Episode 9 in my microcast series JFK: Conspirators. Here's the link to the entire playlist of very short videos, which present my assassination research: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLx_nMuacWEhmVprsXmvMRrzm13Nbix0M5

Episodes 9 through 11 are new. They follow the limousine down Elm Street, zeroing in on Secret Service Agent Bill Greer, who was overwhelmed by the moment. The entire shooting lasted roughly 13 seconds.

There is more to come. Episodes will be added on a regular basis.

u/Ordinary-Garden-2215 — 2 days ago
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u/JohnGonyea — 4 days ago

7.65 German Mauser Rifle

Hi all

I’m new to the subject and listening to the podcast I was intrigued by the initial identification of the rifle as a 7.65 German Mauser. I could also understand it being a simple mistake but does anyone hold any weight to it being more than that? Maybe I’ll get to a more definitive answer in later episodes

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u/BRobs0420 — 4 days ago

I'll Probably Regret This

I have no strong theory on who or why. What I find fascinating is it's on film, and yet two things that in my mind should be conclusive are hottly debated. Which direction was the kill shot from, entrance or exist wounds are bigger?

Is there a debate about a large wound existing? If there was a large wound, is there debate between the back or the side? Who did it and why, I can see why both sides believe they are correct. Ballistics and physics should provide my answers for two questions in the 1st paragraph... right?

I gave up on trying to figure out who and why not too long ago. I still follow the topic, not daily, but if a headline catches my eye, I'll read. Thanks for reading.

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u/dacap1970 — 6 days ago

Curious Document in JFK's Personal Papers Contains Hoax Report of His Assassination in Miami in 1962

I was looking in the JFK archives and stumbled across a very curious document that appears to be a hoax bulletin reporting on his assassination in Miami. See screenshot. It can be located here: https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/jfkpof-130-016#?image_identifier=JFKPOF-130-016-p0075

The text reads: MIAMI (AP) PRESIDENT KENNEDY HAS JUST BEEN ASSINATED WHILE RIDING IN AN OP

BUST BUST THIS IS NO AT ALL TURE JUST KIDING HAHA HA HA HA HA HA

The "headline" part of the text is unfinished but the only thing that would make sense here is "...while riding in an open top car" or "open top motorcade".

The document appears to be from the White House Army Signal Agency (which is now known as the White House Communications Agency) judging by the them being identifed on page 73 and it seems to make sense that such an agency would be generating brief bulletins of breaking news around the world.

The document can be timed to be most likely from March 1962 based on the story about French-Algerian negotations in Switzerland.

It is in JFK's personal papers as maintained by his secretary Evelyn Lincoln. The date range of these papers extend a month beyond the assassination so there's a few possibilities:

  • Kennendy and/or his secretary (and maybe others, like the Defense Secretary - see below) saw this hoax report at the time it was issued in March 1962 and kept it in the files, perhaps complaining to the White House Army Signal Agency about how inappropriate it was for that to have been sent. Interestingly, in August 1962, Secretary of Defense McNamara changed the name of the agency to the WHCA and reassigned WHCA from the Army to the Defense Communications Agency, now the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) with an explicit requirement that it "be directly responsive to Presidential requirements". I wonder if hoax bulletins like this had any role to play in the change?
  • Neither saw it at the time (March 1962) and it was only identified after Kennedy was assassinated.

Either way, this is a fascinating document in light of what happened to Kennedy in November 1963.

https://preview.redd.it/a8xpt3vnftvg1.png?width=1373&format=png&auto=webp&s=07aed88937546ce3e7421c75c8ef6f9709fc0272

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u/Traditional_Emu_9915 — 3 days ago

Question about Rifle Discovery

Hi all

I’m listening to a podcast on the subject and they were talking about the discovery of the gun and I had a question (I am stupidly when it comes to guns)

When they discovered it they mentioned the “bolt was up” and when they disengaged it a live round fell out. Does this mean the shooter was getting ready to fire another bullet but then maybe seen the fatal shot to the president and realized that was enough? Kind of a stupid question but was just curious

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u/BRobs0420 — 4 days ago

Image from tv show supporting SBT

So the bullet exits the neck at T1? Or should we say slightly below the ‘top’ of T1? It’s hard to see full extent of T1 or T2.

This is presented in the show by DrZimmerman. I believe he also presents this as about a 16 degree downward trajectory.

So he gave us the X and Y coordinates as he sees them.

u/Eagle2Two — 7 days ago

Single bullet fail

This is an axial slice (‘cross section’) of a CT scan at the level of the seventh cervical vertebrae. I can show slices at virtually any spinal level from T2 to C5 and they all have one thing in common: there’s no way a bullet transited Kennedy’s body at any level or trajectory—horizontal or vertical—without striking bone. Some argue that perhaps bone was struck, namely the transverse process of T1 or C7. If so, that’s yet another bone or bones struck by CE399. Remember, when Humes testified he said no way did CE399 cause Connelly’s wrist wound. Finck said the same. So did Shaw. But I digress.

Why do I post this? Because I’ve been walking thru 3-D images of the relevant anatomy —MRI and CT scans. While a bullet transiting Kennedy’s neck/back without striking bone (given what we know of his wounds) seemed unlikely, I did not expect to find it ‘impossible’

But that is indeed what you’ll find when you add this additional constraint: the missile must pass Medial (‘inside’, between spine and carotid) to the common carotid.

Why add this constraint? Because Humes did (HSCA of 256). And because the carotid was not injured (Perry). If the carotid was nicked, it would have been obvious. It’s one if the first things Perry checked. JFK had a carotid pulse on presentation at Parkland. Hines would face noticed the blood during the autopsy. He opened that area quite well, even tho he didn’t remove the organs if the neck. Finck would face noted it too. They both go into detail about the injury in this area and the documentation of it. Humes remembers distinctly framing a picture of the thorax in this area. (It’s one of the photos that never turned up, much to his dismay)

So Humes says bullet had to have gone medial of carotid to exit midline. Carotid not injured. Could it have gone lateral to (outside) the carotid? Not and exit the midline unless it entered extremely laterally on the back.

If this is confusing, maybe the attached image will help.

I wish i could attach more than one image. Or a document. But this image should kind of be self explanatory. Look for the common carotid (labeled) and the spinal level (labeled)

You can scroll thru these slices in any dimension, at any spinal level. Here is just one example

u/Eagle2Two — 9 days ago

Did the bullet match the gun?

The answer to this isn't clear, at least to me. Were ballistics tests done on the rifle found in the book depository? Did the bullet found match a round fired from that gun?

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u/Free-Bottle-5119 — 7 days ago

Why did Truly deny seeing Oswald in the Texas School Book Depository after Kennedy was shot?

"After the Presidents accident, I started checking around and I missed Lee. I ask Mr. Truly about him and He told me he had not seen him. I didn't see Lee until the Police brought him in to the Police Homicide Bureau." -- William Shelley

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u/proudfootz — 8 days ago

The First Shot and the Hole in the Windshield

I know this sounds crazy, but I found the first shot and the "hole in the windshield."

Click on the link for my JFK: Conspirators YouTube playlist to see evidence of the first shot in the Tina Towner film. This is best viewed on a computer or TV screen. Some details will be hard to see on your phone.

I posted the first 8 mini-episodes of the series. The total runtime is about 14 minutes. I urge you to watch these episodes all the way through. You'll see evidence of the first shot from the TSBD. The "hole in the windshield," while not what we all thought, was real.

No matter what you think happened during the shooting, try to keep an open mind. Hope you enjoy.

More videos will be out soon.

And, yes, the title of this series, JFK: Conspirators, is a dead giveaway of where this is going.

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u/Ordinary-Garden-2215 — 7 days ago