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Neuderma Pen: If so, what did you use it on and how did it go?

Talk about the most vile f*cking group ever. A place where people can make a post, and then everyone piles underneath it just to bully someone for existing. And then they want to bring up my book? Please. Do you know how many peptide books and aesthetic guides exist on the market? I decided to put together a starter kit with verified sources, all credited throughout the book, along with diagrams and educational material recreated from scratch to help people actually learn, and somehow that’s treated like a crime? Give me a break. Meanwhile, what about all the free content I constantly put out? The giveaways. The free diagrams. The educational posts. The resources. The hours spent building things for the community without asking for anything back. People conveniently ignore that part because negativity gets them more attention. And let’s be honest here. What exactly has DIY Aesthetics owner Tori contributed educationally? What work is actually being put in beyond posting a discount code? Where are the videos? The diagrams? The educational breakdowns? The consistent effort to help and guide a community? Because from where I’m standing, it’s not there.

So yes, f*ck that vicious, vile, nasty community and the moderators who sit back and allow that behavior to continue unchecked. A toxic environment built around tearing people down instead of contributing anything meaningful.

That’s all! 🤓

My lip blushing was done in 2020 and still very much on my lips with no touch up's now in 2025 October I did my first filler gradually been adding to my lips every so often.. I do not want to overfill my lips but I'm thinking about doing more filler.. maybe filler blindness. What do you guys think?

Sooo I did my crows feet for the first time and happy with the ones right by the eyes. Now how to get rid of the ones that are running down my cheeks? The blue ones. I’m worried to inject too low but the higher up units are not hitting them. Thoughts?

Wanted to ask for some advice because I’m kind of figuring this out as I go.

I’ve been on tirz and lost a good amount of weight, which I’m happy about, but my face has gotten noticeably more hollow, especially mid-face. It’s giving that tired look even when I’m not 😭

Right now I’m doing Miracle L (2 sessions in so far). I know it usually takes around 4 sessions to really see results, so I’m trying to be patient, but I’m not sure if this alone will help with volume loss or if it’s more for skin quality.

For context, I’m currently tracking and doing:
peptides (tirz, klow)
tox (upper + lower face)
Miracle L (skin booster)
microneedling

I’ve been logging everything pretty consistently so I can actually see what’s working over time, but I’d love some input from people who’ve dealt with the same issue.

Do you think skin boosters alone can help with that hollow look? Or should I be looking into something else I can meso that helps more with volume?

Also wondering if doing tox in both upper and lower face might be making the hollow look more noticeable?

Would really appreciate any suggestions or experiences, especially things that can be done via meso rather than going straight to filler.
Thank you 💕

Just mapped my face, reconstituted my tox and am trying to get the nerve to do it. Here is my very embarrassing pictures for strangers on the Internet. I have studied to the point of driving myself nuts. I have injected myself hundreds of times just never my face.

Ignore the red face and towel on my head. I just showered and am trying to keep my hair out of my face. Any tips on my placement? I am not sure if I am going to do crows feet yet. Most of my lines come from my cheeks lifting even I smile. What do you think

Just wanted to share the results of 3 miracle L treatments and 1 rejuner gold treatment over about 18 months using BAP technique.

In the first photo I’m about 100 lbs heavier than the second photo, and I was really concerned when I started my weight loss journey about how badly the turkey neck would get so I started treatments right away, a couple months apart.

The second photo is from today. My last treatment was over 6 months ago.

Hi, I would appreciate any suggestions on if it looks like I’ve mapped alright.
I used my phone’s editing features, so it may not look as precise as I plan to do.
I am used to getting Dysport from my medical spa (which has less points due to diffusion - so I can’t use my previous injector’s mapping). I’m going to use Wondertox for the first couple of times and then I’ve got some other Tox that I want to try after that.

I’ve spent a couple months and many, many hours and watched, I think every DIY’er under the sun that you guys have suggested.

I typically get about 20 units (Botox units) in my glabella, 20 in my frontalis, and about 10-12 on each side for crows feet.

I’ve never had Bunny’s or DAO’s done before from anyone - so am probably more nervous about doing that.

**** LASTLY - does anyone know if you can do anything to get rid of deep cheek wrinkles when you smile (last photo) ?
I think that’s probably more advanced than I want to try right now due to potential for mouth dropping and not being able to smile or chew. But just curious IF & where TOX could help.

Thank you all so much!! And I look forward to sharing my experience with newbies too in the future! :))

Disclaimer: this is just my personal interpretation of the topic based on reading the literature. I try to simplify complex scientific concepts in a way that is accessible and hopefully sparks curiosity. I encourage anyone interested to read the paper directly and explore further research rather than relying on simplified summaries like this. From my understanding of the literature, including these papers:

Soltani-Arabshahi, R., Wong, J. W., Duffy, K. L., & Powell, D. L. (2014). Facial allergic granulomatous reaction and systemic hypersensitivity associated with microneedle therapy for skin rejuvenation. JAMA Dermatology, 150(1), 68-72. https://doi.org/10.1001/jamadermatol.2013.6955

Gowda, A., Healey, B., Ezaldein, H., & Merati, M. (2021). A systematic review examining the potential adverse effects of microneedling. Journal of Clinical and Aesthetic Dermatology, 14(1), 45-54. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7869810/

Rodrigues, M. (2020). [Microneedling with retinoic acid oxidative stress RCT]. PubMed, PMID 32978675. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32978675/

Friedmann, D. P., Mehta, E., Verma, K. K., & Harris, R. (2024). Granulomatous reactions from microneedling: A systematic review of the literature. Dermatologic Surgery, 50(12). https://doi.org/10.1097/dss.0000000000004450

Friedmann, D. P. (2024). Treatment-refractory granulomatous reaction to microneedling with transepidermal drug delivery of vitamin C, niacinamide, and botanical extracts. International Journal of Dermatology. https://doi.org/10.1111/ijd.17542

Crown Aesthetics. (2021). SkinPen Precision instructions for use (PN#P5SP064.00). Crown Aesthetics. https://crownaesthetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/SkinPen-IFU-User-Manual.pdf

U.S. Food and Drug Administration. (2016). De novo classification request for SkinPen Precision System (DEN160029). FDA. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/DEN160029.pdf

Note that some of them are under paywall. I have access to them due to my profession. While you cannot access them all, some of them are open-access so you can still contrast great part of the information.

I’d appreciate any advice or suggestions. I used my phones editing features, so I know it’s not displaying as precise as I plan to do it.

I’m used to getting Dysport from my medical spa, so I can’t use my previous injectors mapping, obviously due to diffusion. I plan on using WonderTox for the first couple of times and then I have some other TOX that I’m going try after that.

In Botox units, I’m used to getting 20 in my glabella’s, 20 in my frontalis, and 10-12 on each side for my crows feet

I’ve never had Bunny’s or DAO’s done before from anyone - so am probably more nervous about doing that.

**** LASTLY - does anyone know if you can do anything to get rid of deep cheek wrinkles when you smile (last photo) ?
I think that’s probably more advanced than I want to try right now due to potential for mouth dropping and not being able to smile or chew. But just curious IF & where TOX could help.

Thank you all so much!! And I look forward to sharing my experience with newbies too in the future! :))

These are my lips. Looking to do some filler with a natural looking result. Hoping for some guidance:

1. Would you use Jeaunitique fine orJeaunitique deep filler?
2. Would you put 1mL each in top and bottom, or 2mL in each?
3. The Jeanitique fillers call for 23g needles - would you get the 4mm length or the 13mm?

Thanks for all your help!

Over a year of research and a few trials here. I have yet to have some of the beautiful success I have seen here but I refuse to give up just yet. 44/F for reference. My 11s are very strong. I would classify my muscle pattern as an omega- not much procerus as in I don’t have a line on my nose. Even at the med spa I have never gotten the frozen flat between the eyebrows. I don’t think the 5 point middle, side of brow and lateral corregators are hitting the muscle enough.

With this diagram here, I am curious 👀
💉could I not do the 2 procerus points but do the two lower(inferior) medial points- I believe that is to hit the depressor supercili (would that be considered “medial corregators so deep 6mm 90* while of course lifting so the product doesn’t go near the eye
💉my corregators seem to be abt 2-4mm away from my eyebrows(the head of the corregators) I want to experiment and instead of injecting so close to the eyebrow a touch more towards the procerus point. Isn’t this why no diagram can really guide you? You have to understand the anatomy and tailor make it to your face. The no fly zone is 2cm above the occipital ridge so in theory the space between the eyebrows has a lot of play in there to hit the corregators, no? I’ve been so rigid bc of all the diagrams but the more I look at my specific muscles I think I should be able to put the tox more medial bc of my anatomy.
💉if that is the case, then the proper technique would be for medial corregators 6mm deep 90 degrees (according to this book) I know dr Tim says the muscle follows the bone so to point the bevel towards the direction of the bone and at a 45degree angle. Hence why I’m always second guessing myself LOL
💉Yes I do know the more lateral you go for the corregators it is more superficial -I am mainly curious about the space between the brows - what would be your depth and angle . I don’t hear a lot talked abt this other than the points you always see represented. I wanted to poll the group.
Thanks for all your success stories and pics and info experience or thoughts you may have. I appreciate everyone here !