r/7ohexposed

Kills your sex drive/testosterone levels completely? At least thats the FX its had on me..... Curious to hear your opinions/experiences....

Also, for the 1000mg+ a day users, are you experiencing what I am and basically only feeling a light high at first use in the morning then chasing the dragon all day afterward? I now stay up late and wake up at 2-4am usually in a pool of sweat and am basically going into WDs while I sleep. I gotta get off this shit. Ive tried tapering, which usually leads me to increasing my doses in the end to stop the light emotional WDs and irritability. I took this as a way to not relapse on booze/weed because Im in a fucked up legal situation and have to piss in a cup for a rehab program. Thank god this doesnt show up because honestly without it, I wouldnt be able to abstain from getting stoned/drunk.....resulting in prison time. What a double-edged fucked up mess man.....

Hello , I’m currently going through a rough time with this Kratom 7oh stuff , I’ve never done hard stuff before in my life, I first started taking the feel free drinks not thinking much about it then I learned about 7oh yesterday I tried to stop taking it after 3months of taking this thing and it was the worst thing I’ve ever experienced in my life never have I over experienced withdrawal symptoms and I just don’t know what to do and how to get off this thing my anxiety is trough the roof I’ve heard that (SR-17018) is good substance to help getting of 7oh can anyone who’s been through this please help me ? Im currently taking about 100Mg of 7oh a day what’s the proper dose and how can I get off this demon pill without getting family involved I’m 24 father of 2 and the main provider of my home and I will like to get trough this without getting family involved.

As the title says, took my last 60mg dose 18 hours ago, and after 2 hours the effects weren’t noticeable but were likely still present. Slept for 8 hours, been awake for about 5 hours now, and no tearing, yawning, runny nose, or existential dread (yet).

In the past I’ve experienced withdrawals in as little as 6 hours after taking a small dose of <20mg. Has anyone else experienced this long before the onset of WD?

Last time I stopped taking 7OH daily was about 3 months ago, and I’d been taking between 300mg - 400mg per day. Withdrawal was QUICK, and persistent to the point even large doses of Suboxone (24mg) didn’t take the symptoms away.

This time I’ve been taking 240mg per day for about 10 days, but was taking up to 350mg per day for the last 3 months before that. I finally decided to cut the cord yesterday to take a break and save my money. I’m 18 hours in, and still no withdrawal symptoms.

Has anyone else experienced this delayed start to WD’s? My withdrawals used to set in extremely fast. I’d wake up in the middle of the night in a panic, with sweats. I have Suboxone to help with WD’s, and even a small amount of 7OH left to ease insomnia - but I’m waiting for the withdrawals to hit before I take anything.

When do people expect with withdrawals to set in?

As I finish writing this, a single tear just came out of my nose…foreshadowing?

Thanks for any input in advance. Best of luck to everyone who’s trying to break the chain.

Gas

Hey fellow people. You guys are the only ones who understand. I have had so much anxiety about my appointment to get on Suboxone. Well I finally just had it. Unfortunately, my doctor just isn't understanding the extent of how strong this is. I had to Google it and show him but he just hasn't stuck in his head that I'm talking about kratom. I tried to show him how it's like 50 times stronger. Anyways, everything I've seen shows that most people had the best luck with 24 mg of the subs.

I thought I was supposed to wait until I was in withdrawals before taking them. He wants me to start taking less of the seven and start taking little pieces of the subs. Like 0.25 mg. Which I'm pretty sure is not going to do crap. But I can only try so much before he wouldn't listen to me. But maybe he's right?

Am I really supposed to keep taking 7 while I'm on the strips? I'm terrified of going into precipitated withdrawals. Also, how am I even supposed to do that? Do I wake up in the morning and take my seven? Then I don't know. I'm just so confused. This is what he prescribed to me. Please remember that this is all new to me, I've never been addicted to anything else. I've never had Suboxone. So treat me like I am in kindergarten 🤣

He gave me 20 2mg strips And the directions say to dissolve one to four films under the tongue twice daily.

This will be a bit of a ramble, so bare with me. This is my first time reaching out to the public about this, it's gotten so bad. Helps me feel better talking about it. So I've had a long history with opiates. Since 2012 to be exact. I have 15 years of restaurant/cooking experience. So naturally drugs and other toxic vices were flowing like a river.. everywhere. Got introduced to norco 10's, got instantly hooked. Then the somas appeared, so that poly drug combo was my regular. Then Roxy 30 blues, and then rare IR Opana 10's before they vanished.

I was in deep. Opiates were my heaven that were also my hell. Then I discovered kratom once the connects moved on, 10 years ago. Legal opiate-like high?? Hell yeah!

So began a long term relationship... Fast forward to 2024, went to rehab for poly drug use of muscle relaxer/tapentadol combo tabs, benzos, lyrica, modafinil, and massive doses of kratom. Went to sober living afterwards and eventually caved in after relapsing on Feel Free shots and MIT45(SP?) shots. My first introduction to kratom extracts. Big mistake. Got booted out because they have mitragynine dip stick tests.. Stayed clean for a short time finding a new place, then I found 7OH.. Crud, crud, crud...

I screwed myself, digging myself deeper and deeper into a hole. Been taking it for almost a year. 150mg for a long time, but with stress at work the tolerance skyrocketed. Last few months it's been at 400-600mg daily. Distancing myself from friends, life has just been trying to maintain normalcy at the expense of my mental and physical health, worst of all financially. Literally chained with iron with this addiction and I'm absolutely fed up with it because I want a happy life. Thanks to Reddit I discovered the Bernese method. Because I'm a cook that works 5am-1pm.. picking up the slack because of lazy coworkers.. very physical work, lifting 50 pound boxes and prepping in a 34 degree cooler, then dealing with the heat of cooking, constantly on my feet, going back in forth between cold and hot...interesting with people all day in a "drug free" work place. I can't cold turkey with a tolerance that high because I can't afford to call in because I get PWD badly..thankfully I have a surplus of Suboxone 8mg because I stopped taking it to go back to the 7OH. So over the next several days I'm gonna start it, won't be perfect because I have the tabs not the strips, but I'm tired of living this hell and I want all of y'all to conquer this addiction as well. It's ruining my life. For those of you interested I will keep you guys updated.

Taking my first 2mg dose tonight, then 2mg in the morning and another in the evening while working down my 7OH doses and increase my sub dose them taper as fast as I can off that. Thanks for hearing me out, it feels good to finally lift this weight. I pray to God it all works out.

(The other 7-OH recovery subs have banned discussion of prohibition or regulation, I hope this is the appropriate place to share my writing)

I'm a guy from California in my forties, former kratom(10 years) and 7-OH addict in recovery. At my peak I was using 1200-1600mg of 7-OH a day. I went through withdrawal dozens of times, tried MAT, relapsed repeatedly even on buprenorphine, and ultimately had to enter an intensive outpatient program to finally get enough support to stop. My addiction to 7-OH wrecked my life, and quitting has been the hardest thing I've ever done. I've been diagnosed with OUD, MDD, and GAD now in the aftermath, but I was more-or-less happy and healthy before I got addicted. Getting better every day, though.

I saw a comment recently from someone who worked at a smoke shop saying that 99% of their 7-OH customers come in daily or several times a week. It immediately made me curious if that's true for everybody, because I certainly was one of those customers. While I was still using, I rotated between three different stores, partly for price and selection, and partly to avoid the shame of being the person who's there every single day. Over time I became a regular at all three, got to know the workers, and eventually felt comfortable enough to ask them directly: how bad is it, really?

Their answers were bleak. Across every store, every worker I spoke to: the vast majority of their 7-OH customers are there daily or several times a week. Not a troubled minority. Most of them.

This obviously wasn't a formal study, but the workers weren't hedging either. They were forthcoming, and the stories were equally fascinating and heartbreaking. They described watching people try 7-OH for the first time, sometimes people who just came in for a vape, and then watching those same people start showing up regularly, every time after that. One worker expressed real grief about this: seeing someone cross that threshold, knowing what was coming, and not being able to stop it. They described a shadow economy of customers being fronted product until payday, which is not something that happens with things people can simply choose not to buy. They talked about watching longtime kratom customers try 7-OH once and never go back to kratom. They described customers deteriorating visibly over time, nervous breakdowns in the store, the shop getting robbed. Nearly every worker expressed some degree of moral hesitation about what they were selling. Several were genuinely afraid of losing their jobs when it gets banned.

Now let's talk about the "personal responsibility" argument, because it doesn't survive contact with this data.

The most common refrain from people opposed to regulation is some version of: "it shouldn't be banned just because some people can't control themselves." This framing imagines a population of moderate, recreational users being penalized for the failures of a weak-willed minority.

But what if the moderate users are the minority? What if the actual use population is predominantly addicted? Then the question isn't about protecting responsible users from overreach. It's about whether broad public access to a substance is justified when the dominant outcome of that access is addiction.

This is exactly why opioid painkillers are prescription-only. It's not that no one can use them responsibly. It's that the ratio of dependent to non-dependent use, across the actual population with broad access, doesn't support that access. The same logic applies here.

Relapse rates for opioid use disorder run as high as 80 to 90 percent even among people in structured clinical treatment. That number doesn't describe moral failure. It describes a physiological process that overrides intention. I relapsed repeatedly while on buprenorphine, in a supervised treatment program, genuinely trying to stop. The "just control yourself" argument was never serious, and the data has never supported it.

The alcohol comparison deserves a direct response too.

"Alcohol is so much more dangerous" is a frequent deflection, and it may even be pharmacologically true in some respects. But the legal framework that makes alcohol publicly available rests on an implicit assumption: that the majority of people who buy it are not addicted to it. That assumption is load-bearing. It's why we tolerate the harm, because for most users, it isn't producing dependence.

That assumption simply does not hold for 7-OH. The people closest to the actual consumer behavior, the ones watching it happen every day, are telling us clearly that the majority of their customers are dependent. If alcohol had those numbers, we'd have a very different conversation about whether it should be on a shelf next to the energy drinks.

One final point on the "harm reduction" framing.

Harm reduction is a legitimate framework, but it applies to people who are already using a substance and need safer access. When a substance is so acutely addictive that people who come in to buy a vape walk out as future daily customers, that's not harm reduction. That's harm generation at the point of sale. The population that now "needs" harm reduction is being actively created by the accessibility itself.

The kratom-to-7OH pipeline makes this especially stark. Kratom carries its own dependency concerns, but it has a slower onset and a real ceiling effect. Workers consistently reported that kratom regulars who try 7-OH once never go back. That's not a lateral move in the harm reduction framework. The thing standing between a kratom user and a life-destroying opioid disorder was the whim of a minimum wage employee deciding to mention it.

People are developing severe opioid use disorder from a product sold next to the nicotine pouches. The industry knows this. The workers know this. The customers figure it out eventually. The only people still pretending otherwise are the ones making money from the pretending.

This substance is creating opioid addicts at a vape counter and the defense is that some people theoretically use it responsibly. That's not a harm reduction argument. That's a profit margin with talking points attached.

Can anybody offer any advice on this? I’m looking to get off 7 and back on subs

I started to take Kratom a couple of years ago, I never had a drug issue or anything, I guess except smoking weed if you’d call that a drug issue lol. I was driving to work one day when I passed a smoke shop, there was a banner in front of the shop that said “we sell Kratom”. I didn’t know what it was, so I looked it up and read it can help with anxiety. I know everyone has anxiety but man at the time I was a wreck, so I went to the shop and bought some. It did help with my anxiety for a while. After about 2 years of taking kratom off and on, I wasn’t really feeling any of the effects anymore. I made the mistake of telling that to my local smoke shop owner.

He laughed and turned around to grab this package off of his store wall behind the counter, and handed me a little cardboard item with 4 little little tablets encased in plastic. 7 tabz. “Trust me bro this kratom is the best out of all I’ve tried, you need to try it”

I bought it.

It was amazing.

The first few weeks I felt so relaxed and confident after taking 1 tablet , absolutely no anxiety! And I feel so ready in fact more than ready to take on the world!

Then 1 didn’t do the trick anymore so I took two.

Awesome!! I feel great! nothing can bring me down!

Then I bought the 30mg tablets instead of the 15mg cause it’s a better deal !

Then I had trouble sleeping, my gf was telling me when I was asleep that I was constantly , and aggressively kicking my legs up in the air.

Months pass.

I starting to take 3 (30mg) tabs because I was constantly waking up in the night and if I didn’t have 7 tabz then I felt like I was going to die. My heart racing, and the most uncomfortable feeling of my life I can’t even describe it, but I need 7 tabz to feel okay.

Weeks pass.

I bought 7tabz for $40 again, I take 3. But this time I puked them up instantly, it’s absolutely wrecking my gut. But I went back in the smoke shop and bought another $40 pack.

Weeks pass.

I’m at work where I run to the bathroom every hour because I can’t stop feeling nauseous and puking.

Weeks pass, same habit of buying 2 $40 7tabz packages a day.

Then one day, I’m at work and I suddenly get extremely cold. It felt like I was naked on the tip of Mount Everest. I work in a super market, the customers and employees are all wearing shorts because it’s a hot day out. I had to ask my store manager if it was OK if I could store use(meaning we use company money to buy this) some coffee cups so I could drink hot water from the break room water jug, because in the break room there was only plastic cups and I tried to fill the plastic cups with hot water, but obviously that just did not work. It practically melted the cup. But I was so insanely freezing, I was so desperate. My manager let me store use the cups, and I was in the break room trying to drink boiling water from a coffe cup on the phone with my mom, burning the fuck out of my lips and mouth. again I was absolutely insanely freezing my ass off it was unbearable.

I go home, my mother was home and concerned and she checks my heart rate and it’s through the roof. We go to the emergency room.

Everything’s all good, they release me from the hospital and me and my mom go home.

About an hour after we got home, it happened again. the chills, the physical suffering I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. She drove me back to the ER.

I was admitted.

For 3 days my mother and my girlfriend watched me lose my mind in the hospital room. And I don’t remember one spec of it. I only remember waking up 3 days later. The doctors didn’t know what was wrong with me at the time.

My beautiful girlfriend told the doctors about the 7tabz (70H) I’ve been taking, and they didn’t know what it was. She drove home from the hospital and picked up an empty 7tabz package from my room and drove back to show the doctors.

They immediately knew what to do.

I woke up up in a haze in the morning, my mom and girlfriend there, I felt okay, and I felt like my body and mind were okay. But I was wrong about the body part, I went to slowly sit up and immediately felt super stiff and sore. I talked with my gf and mom, we walked around the hospital halls slowly, and they told me about how I was during those 3 days.

To this day my girlfriend and mother will not fully tell me exactly the things I was saying to them during those 3 days I blacked out. They told me bits and pieces but again they told me they will never tell me everything I was saying, and I’m not sure I want to know.

I’ve been clean from 70h for almost a year now! And I’m so fucking happy I am. The feelings mentally ,physically and emotionally are the absolute worst pains I have ever been through in my entire life.

At my work recently (I work maintenance) I was taking out the trash in the bathroom when I saw an empty 7 tabz package, that’s what made me want to make this post. I pray for that person who took it, and I pray for anyone who is using it.

Please if you’ve never tried 70h,

DO NOT EVER TRY IT

Look at it as a hard ADDICTIVE DRUG meaning it doesn’t matter about your will power, it will grip you no matter who you are! Please I beg you, be extremely weary!!

Does anybody have an effective taper schedule for 7oh? My plan is to taper down and then go to subs. I’m not looking for feedback on subs. I was on them for a while and it works for me. Anyway, if anybody has an effective taper schedule please let me know!

To say, props to yall. Im trying to taper/quit with nosuccess....."I take it away but I want more and more". One of the worst addictions ive battled. I got funneled into using this stuff because of legals I cant blaze anymore, and Im honestly glad at least I was able to quit drinking which nearly completely ruined/ended my life. I cant afford to go on like this. a thousand bucks burned in the past 3-4 months. ive burned more quicker with booze but still. Im blowing court fee money.....