u/JayNotAtAll

There are sketches that appear to go in one direction and you are pretty sure that you get the joke and then all of the sudden there is a twist to it. Could be a major one, could be a minor one, but it impacts the sketch and gets a major laugh from you.

One that comes to mind is the one with Lena Dunham where they are all driving and singing to "Ooh Child". You think the joke is that Lena Dunham never gets to sing her part due to the navigation voice but then there is a twist at the end (IYKYK)

Spoilers for the "Time Runs Out" and "Secret Wars (2015)" comics.

This is an offshoot of the theory I posted the other day but I think it warranted its own post.

In my previous post I give my reasons for why I don't think Doom will be the villain. The movie is said to be an adaptation of sorts of the "Time Runs Out" comic series which was the lead up to "Secret Wars (2015)". Now, it most likely will not be a direct adaptation. "Infinity Wars" and "Endgame" were adaptations of the "Infinity Gauntlet" comics but it took a lot of creative liberties in the beats but mostly followed the key structure of the story with Thanos collecting the Infinity Stones and snapping away half the universal population.

In "Time Runs Out", Doom is actually trying to save the Multiverse. The death of the Multiverse is an inevitability and so he is trying to find a way to save it.

I think the Avengers will believe that Doom is trying to kill everyone and is the cause of the incursions but we will learn at the end that he isn't the cause of the incursions.

Okay so if Doom isn't the villain then who? I present Doctor Strange. Here are my reasons why.

1. in the Multiverse Saga, we barely touched on the Multiverse in the films. "No Way Home" played with it a bit and of course "Deadpool and Wolverine" but the movies weren't about the multiverse as much as the multiverse was just a way to drive the plot forward.

The only movie that was truly about the multiverse was Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness (MoM). We learn a lot here. One, the Illuminati in 838 straight up say that the biggest threat to the Multiverse is Strange. They also indicated that it was their version of Strange using the Darkhold who destroyed a universe via incursions.

We then meet Sinister Strange who also uses the Darkhold to wander the Multiverse and caused at least one incursion. Then our Strange uses the Darkhold and Clea, in the mid-credits, state that Strange caused an incursion. Strange is the only person we have heard of causing an incursion.

I think it is more than just visiting another universe that causes an incursion. The sorcerers don't seem concerned about America Chavez hanging out at Kamar Taj nor do the TVA seem concerned about Wolverine hanging out in 10005. So I think it has something more to do with the Darkhold. By the end of MoM, the only living Darkhold user we see is Strange. Which brings me to....

2. what's with the third eye? While we haven't seen too many Darkhold users in the MCU, a common side effect we see are black fingers. Agatha, Wanda, even 838 Strange. However, Sinister Strange and 616 Strange never develop black fingers. They develop a third eye. Why? The movie never explicitly states a reason but my guess is that instead of just being influenced by the Darkhold, somehow they became one with the Darkhold. Maybe through the third eye they can see knowledge beyond the Darkhold.

In "Time Runs Out" there are many factions working to investigate and stop the incursions. One is a magic based one called The Black Priests. Strange works with them and ultimately becomes their leader. What is the leader called? "The Eye of Eyes". Also, take a look at their outfit in the comic.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Black\_Priests\_(Multiverse)

I don't think the third eye is just a mere coincidence. I think it may play into a version of the Black Priests that will appear in Doomsday. Also, the Black Priests battle Doom and his cult (the Black Swans) directly. The only person in the comic to directly confront Doom is Strange.

3. The Russos have stated that "Endgame" will be required watching for Doomsday. They are actually re-releasing Endgame with additional scenes and a new post-credit in September to help establish that connection.

Apparently the events in Endgame will directly lead into the events of Doomsday. Now I don't think that means that the story of Doomsday will pickup where Endgame ends but rather the events or Endgame will start to domino effect that is the death of the Multiverse.

There are many theories as to what that means but I present this. Why was Tony dying the only way out of 14,000,605 to stop Thanos. I highly doubt that's the case. Hell, in MoM we see that 838 had no issue killing him. I have a hard time believing that allowing Thanos to snap and then having Tony snap 5 years later was truly the only way.

I think that this was the only option that resulted in an outcome Strange saw fitting. Literally the only person who knew the plan to defeat Thanos was Strange. He practically orchestrated the whole thing.

The movies have never directly addressed why Strange said this was the only way. This theory has been presented by other people but ultimately, he believed that Tony needed to be killed AND he needed Cap to choose to go back in time.

When Strange was looking into the future, he probably didn't just look into the immediate future. You know, they beat Thanos today but what if he returns in five days? He probably looked further into the future to be sure that they beat Thanos after each play. He probably also saw something bigger happen when he did that and that's why he chose what he chose and it probably relates to Tony and Cap hence both of them returning (albeit "Tony" isn't Tony at all but rather Doom".

I don't know how it will play out in the films but Strange either inadvertently causes the incursions or is directly doing it for whatever reason.

There are potential spoilers for Doomsday and definitely spoilers for "Time Runs Out" and "Secret Wars" comics.

So it is pretty much accepted that Doomsday will be a loose adaptation of "Time Runs Out". To recap, "Time Runs Out" was the lead-in comic series to "Secret Wars (2015)"

It is where incursions happen and the Marvel multiverse dies (then is resurrected in Secret Wars).

In the comics, incursions are taking place and universes are dying as a result. Many factions are trying to find ways to stop it. Through a series of events, it is believed that Dr. Doom is causing the incursions. He creates a cult essentially and has his order go through time and kill Molecule Men from different universes (which inadvertently causes the incursions).

We learn in the end that Doom was actually trying to save the Multiverse. The real villains were The Beyonders. They are godlike beings who live beyond the Multiverse. They were planning to kill off the entire multiverse prematurely. Doom becomes aware of this plan and tries to thwart him. Unfortunately his efforts only serve to speed things up.

He accepts that at this point, the death of the multiverse is inevitable so he comes up with a plan B to steal the powers of the Beyonders so that he can rebuild the multiverse as Battleworld, saving some of it.

Anyway, I think we will see something similar in the movie. The Avengers assume that Doom is trying to destroy the multiverse by causing incursions only to realize that he was trying to save the multiverse. He realizes that the death of the multiverse is inevitable but he may still be able to save some of it.

Now it raises the question, who is killing the Multiverse if not Doom? It is possible that they introduce the Beyonders in the movie but I think it may actually be Strange.

For the multiverse Saga, we sure didn't get a lot of multiverse activity in phases. Most (if not all) movies took place in one universe. We get brief references here and there but nothing substantial. EXCEPT for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

In the mid credits scene we see Clea tell Doctor Strange that he has caused incursions. We also see that he has been infected by the Darkhold. The whole movie pretty much sets up Strange as being the biggest threat to the multiverse.

In What If, we see what Strange is capable of when he becomes obsessed with dark magic. I think Doctor Strange (either intentionally or unintentionally) caused the incursions and the death of the multiverse.

I also think that might be why they have been kind of quiet about Benedict Cumberbatch being in Doomsday. Perhaps that is the big reveal. His activities ultimately caused the things and Doom isn't the real villain.

Since things get tense on this sub at times, I figured we could use a break and do something kind of fun.

https://youtu.be/G7\_QSNPYwXA?si=Rc0UuY5cky3J3-e3

Real Time with Bill Maher is canon in the MCU. What would be some New Rules you would expect to hear from that version of Bill Maher

He has a toenail at the end of his penis!