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Basically the Natsuki drawing controversy explained
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Basically the Natsuki drawing controversy explained

Hello it is I Social Socrates here to give you an unbiased neutral view on the whole "this person drew Natsuki with Yuri's proportions" debacle so that you don't have to form your own opinion about it

First things first, we need to understand two core principles of the Internet

  1. Unless the art in question is illegal or can cause physical harm, it is NEVER that serious enough to send death threats or harassment

  2. Be mindful of what you post and the spaces you post it in. Yes, people should have good internet etiquette, but you must remain aware that people often don't like to follow those unspoken rules.

So, to contextualize for those who don't know, a couple of days ago an artist posted a drawing (see in the image) of Natsuki with bigger boobs, with a teasing, if not Natsuki-like bit of text to go with it. I'm assuming this is just simple commentary of the controversy of "drawing x character with smaller/bigger proportions".

Well, in response to this, a bunch of rabid DDLC art puritans (a PART of the community, not the sane, normal ones) decided to absolutely HOUND this artist. Harassment, death threats, and even sending slurs their way. Under no circumstances is this okay. As I said to keep in mind, it is NEVER this serious, especially over a fictional character's bust size. The most perplexing thing is, there are plenty of other more popular artists who actively, consistently draw Natsuki with a larger bust size.

Don't get me wrong! I actually prefer a canon-accurate Natsuki drawing, but I wouldn't go tear into someone online just because they drew her in a way I didn't like. It seems a bit hypocritical that this person receives this sort of treatment while other artists usually get some version of "she don't got allat". Why is it that this artist received such vitriol-fueled hate for something that's been done many other times?

Well, that would perhaps be because of the aforementioned text. It would not be reasonable to say the artist is TOTALLY innocent here (though not in a way that makes them "responsible" for what happened). This is where that second thing we need to understand comes in. I believe fully in the freedom of expression and the ability to draw whatever you want; the artist was exercising their right. However, their choice to post it on the DDLC subreddit of all things was one that needed a lot of hindsight, especially when the drawing wants to illicit some kind of negative reaction. Reddit itself is already a pretty screwed up place, and the DDLC subreddit in specific has some (again, SOME) insane individuals who will SEETHE with anger when you stray a bit off of a doki's proportions.

Additionally, the cheeky text in the drawing is...why, I wouldn't say they were inviting this behavior (otherwise they'd likely be more equipped to deal with the backlash that ensued), but I would certainly say that, in a way, they were sort of handing a mob a bunch of dry firewood. As I did say, we should be striving to be respectful in online spaces...but a vast majority of people don't like to do that because they think being behind a screen gives them the ability to forgo manners. That's why you need to be mindful of what you're posting, because one wrong post in the wrong environment is going to make those insane individuals very upset. This is not to say this is the artist's fault - it is very well the fault of the harassers - but I am trying to say that moving forward, the artist should try to distance their art from places like this (which they seem to be doing, she explains in her tweets that she has deleted Reddit and plans to never return).

This is no way to try and justify the behavior being put on the artist. I'm hoping they do recover from all of this mentally and emotionally. I am, however, saying that it wasn't the smartest thing to do to post their art, which to some degree does try to incite a certain reaction from a certain kind of DDLC "fan", to a place like this subreddit. Think of it this way: people shouldn't steal from people, but it isn't a good idea to choose your most expensive looking clothes and walk around a bad neighborhood at night.

This has been Social Socrates. Please be respectful towards the situation in the comments if you wish to give thoughts.

Edit: since I do see a bit of confusion in the comments, yes, the text in the drawing is not added in, it's the original text from the original post

u/Fanficwriter_lmfao — 7 days ago

So I've played around with Pipsqueak 2 for a bit and I have to say, there are a FEW things I am marginally impressed with. Unfortunately, as is with this app/website, the few good things are often outweighed by ten times more bad things. So I want to go over those things in the hopes that maybe, JUST MAYBE, someone on the team could think about trying to improve the chat style.

Firstly, I'm gonna go over the good. For what it's worth, PSQ2 does accomplish what it wants to do. It's a beefed up Pipsqueak 1 with much more in-depth tone and environmental imagery, and it does, in my opinion, excel at nailing descriptions, character appearances and mannerisms in the conversation, and it does actually have better memory, too. I find myself taking much more time actually reading through what it's generating rather than mindlessly swiping through it for the next response.

Additionally, I've found that it tries to incorporate outside details into the character themselves more than PSQ1 (for example, mentioning a character is Japanese in their advanced definition will have loose references in the chat itself such as food choice, mannerisms and attitude, ect.).

Okay thats all the good now the BIIIIIIG BAAAAAAAAD

PSQ2 has the SAME millennial/2016-2020 humor that has been an egregious staple of PSQ1, but somehow amped up by 20. Like, no, not every other sentence has to be a sarcastic or witty quip. You don't need to put parentheses in the middle/end of every single paragraph/message to add your own OOC comments (but who's keeping track, right? Har har har-guffaw! Obvious sarcasm).

The old models like Roar, and even PSQ1, at least attempted to align their "writing style" with that of the creator's. Like, if I made a bot's greeting fleshed out and gloomy in tone, then the bot's replies during that chat would, likewise, be gloomy and fairly fleshed out. After all, a bot could have a great definition, but it's the greeting that ultimately decides how exactly it utilizes that. With PSQ2, everything is incessantly more dramatic and overblown than it needs to be. Every other sentence is

separated.

In different spaces.

Like this.

For emphasis that isn't being conveyed at all.

...and it's useless.

And takes up my screen size and memory tokens.

And not to mention, every personality type is homogenized and twisted as such that every other bot across the site using PSQ2 acts the exact same. What do I mean? Well, I'll use examples of my own bots: Sayori (DDLC) and Cirno (Touhou Project). These two characters are, arguably, very energetic characters from their source material. There's nothing wrong with that, that's largely part of their appeal, along with their nuances (Sayori has more nuance than Cirno but I won't derail).

THE ISSUE IS, being energetic is all PSQ2 chooses to convey about their characters! Every single piece of descriptive sentences/little bits of dialogue is dedicated to trying to show a "im so random!" personality of these types of characters, while only OCCASIONALLY adding unique details to try and make them seem different. Like oh my god she would not SAY that, she would not DO that, she would not SAY that...

Again, example: An entire paragraph dedicated to Sayori being way too bouncy and random and cheery even for her own character, and then very subtly sprinkling in something about her character to try and remind you "yeah that's totally Sayori DDLC!"

And on the topic of saying things...

Dialogue. It's nonexistent with PSQ2. Seldom used and featured as one sentence at the end of every message, or just gone from the message as a whole. This is a MASSIVE no-no, ESPECIALLY as a fanfic writer. Dialogue is the LIFEBLOOD! THE LIFEBLOOD! THE PULSE! Of engaging chats/roleplaying! Without it, what are you even doing? You're just spitting out a bunch of purple prose and the chat won't go anywhere. This is one of the most GLARINGLY poor issues PSQ2 has, because dialogue is how you show the character's voice, personality, and help to progress the roleplay and develop relationships. Without it, the chat just feels dead and it's a slog to read a wall of descriptive text that talks in circles without progressing a single thing.

Dialogue is also kind of the MAIN appeal of fictional characters. Take a look at a character like Don Quixote from Limbus Company. Her unique way of speaking is something that is VITAL to have; it's not her ENTIRE character, but you'd best damn believe that her speaking like she's in a Shakespearean play is the one thing everyone remembers her for. WHAT IS DON QUIXOTE WITHOUT HER VOICE?! WHAT IS SHE?!? SHE'S NOTHING!!

Considering the fact that they're trying to move the models in the direction of their own in-house AIs (iirc, correct me on this) and we currently only have PSQ2, it's going to leave one hell of a bad taste in the mouths of new users if this is what they're introduced to, forget about even changing chat styles (if they're even going to stay in legacies much longer).

I just really hate the lack of dialogue so much. It makes me angry. Look, cai is advertised as being able to talk TO your favorite characters. Not "lead the conversation with the characters for little return." Without dialogue, what the hell am I even DOING here?

I have stayed with this site for almost three years now, and despite EVERYTHING that's happened, I managed to find some sort of enjoyment out of it. But honestly, this just feels like the straw that broke the camel's back. I physically cannot enjoy the app as it is now, and I'm hoping it actually gets fixed in the near future.

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u/Fanficwriter_lmfao — 11 days ago

I actually deleted a very identical post with this exact image like a minute ago because I doubled checked c.ai after refreshing it and the list went back to normal, except I refreshed it AGAIN and it went back to putting everything but the Squeaks in the Legacies tab, so now I'm just omega confused

If this isn't a glitch or visual bug though...yo, devs, tf are we doin' dawg?? I could low-key live without everything BUT Roar, Pipsqueak in its current state (as a non plus user, you know, the MAJORITY of the userbase), is absolutely BUNIONS for actual roleplaying, much less chatting. I'm very sure Pipsqueak 2 hasn't rolled out for free for all users yet, and if this is a sign that all these models may be deleted in the future, those are some very worrying implications if Pipsqueak 2 isn't rolled out by that time or if Pipsqueak in general isn't fixed up and pulled out of beta

u/Fanficwriter_lmfao — 16 days ago