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Books where the ml dates her for an ulterior motive

I’m looking for book recommendations where the male lead dates the female lead for an ulterior motive. It could be anything, maybe he’s a spy or assassin trying to get information from her, or he’s doing it because of a bet, a dare, or to get close to someone connected to her.

The female lead has to be completely unaware and genuinely believe that he’s in love with her. I’d also like a story where the male lead initially dislikes her, finds her annoying, or even thinks she’s unattractive, but eventually starts to fall for her—though it’s fine if he doesn’t dislike her at the start as long as there’s still an ulterior motive.

I prefer little to no spice, though I don’t mind if there’s a small amount. The story must have a happy ending.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 4 days ago

Books where the male lead dates her for an ulterior motive

I’m looking for book recommendations where the male lead dates the female lead for an ulterior motive. It could be anything, maybe he’s a spy or assassin trying to get information from her, or he’s doing it because of a bet, a dare, or to get close to someone connected to her.

The female lead has to be completely unaware and genuinely believe that he’s in love with her. I’d also like a story where the male lead initially dislikes her, finds her annoying, or even thinks she’s unattractive, but eventually starts to fall for her—though it’s fine if he doesn’t dislike her at the start as long as there’s still an ulterior motive.

I prefer little to no spice, though I don’t mind if there’s a small amount. The story must have a happy ending.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 4 days ago

I hate that any form of criticism is considered as “canceling”

This is something that’s really prevalent on social media and it’s people assuming that any negative opinion about someone or something is “canceling” them.

I remember seeing someone talk about how they don’t like a specific classical book because of its racist/misogynistic themes, and people in the comments were accusing her of canceling it when she was literally just stating her opinion on why she dislikes it.

And the same goes for celebrities, if someone expresses dislike for something they did or makes a simple video or post about it, people immediately go to “why are we canceling him or her?” and it’s so irritating.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 6 days ago

I haven’t read solo leveling in a while so I can be wrong but I think the main issue with Solo Leveling is how the story handles Jin-Woo. Jin-Woo is extremely overpowered, but the author does not adjust the story's conflict to match that. In an action series centered around fights, if the main character is overwhelmingly strong, the story needs to focus on other elements so the character can still face obstacles or meaningful challenges.

For example, in Mob Psycho, mob is also extremely overpowered. He can defeat almost anyone if he wants, and he usually does not struggle in fights.
Because of this, the story shifts the focus to his internal struggles, his low self-esteem, social anxiety, overthinking, and fear of losing control of his powers. These internal conflicts allow the story to remain engaging even though he is physically unbeatable.

In storytelling, there usually needs to be some type of conflict: man vs. self, man vs. man, or man vs. nature. If your main character is overwhelmingly powerful, relying on man vs. man conflict often does not work because there is little tension in the fights.

Also to give another example, in One-Punch Man, Saitama is completely overpowered, but the series focuses more on satire and the struggles of other characters rather than just his fights.

Solo Leveling, however, largely keeps the man vs. man combat structure while giving the protagonist overwhelming power, which removes much of the tension. Because of that, the story and Jin woo is seen as badly written due to the author followir the wrong type of conflict for its main character.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 8 days ago

a lot of fandom discourse doesn’t actually reflect the source material anymore. People are arguing from fanfiction and fanon interpretations instead of what actually happens in the story.

I used to read fanfiction too, so I understand how it happens. The issue isn’t fanfiction itself, it’s that it can slowly reshape how people see characters without them even noticing. Fanfiction takes small traits, single scenes, or brief interactions and stretches them into full personalities or relationships. After a while, if that’s what someone is mostly consuming, it starts to feel just as real as canon, even when it isn’t.

What’s frustrating is that most people don’t even realize they’re doing it. They genuinely believe they’re referencing the actual story. So in discussions, they’ll confidently say a character is “out of character,” inconsistent, or badly written, but the examples they use either barely exist in canon or don’t exist at all. It’s usually something that comes from fanfics, headcanons, or popular fandom interpretations, not the source material itself. But because it’s become so normalized in fandom spaces, it just gets treated like fact.

You can really see it when you try to follow certain debates. I’ll read arguments and genuinely have no idea what scene or version of events people are talking about, because it doesn’t match the actual show or book. It feels like people are discussing completely different characters, but everyone is acting like they’re referencing the same canon.

Over time, important context gets lost without people realizing it. Character development is ignored, relationships are rewritten in people’s heads, and canon details get dismissed if they don’t match the more popular fan version. Eventually, fanon starts replacing canon in everyday discussion, and people don’t even notice the shift happened. That’s why the discourse gets so confusing because people aren’t even working from the same baseline anymore.

Enjoy fanfiction if you want, but if you’re going to argue about a story or its characters, it should actually be grounded in what happens in the source material. Otherwise, it stops being discussion and turns into people unknowingly repeating fandom-made interpretations as if they’re fact.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 10 days ago

The issue with fanon ships and some fanon shippers is how hypocritical they can be when it comes to canon ships versus their own.

A lot of the time, when it comes to canon pairings, they will try to downplay everything. Scenes get reduced to “it means nothing,” “it’s just platonic,” or people “reading too much into it.” Even when there are repeated emotional moments, people will pick them apart until there is basically nothing left.

But when it comes to their own fanon ships, the standard completely changes. Suddenly every small interaction gets overanalyzed like it has huge romantic meaning. A look, a handshake, standing next to each other, or fighting together becomes “proof” that the characters are meant to be together.

A good example of this is my hero academia. In the epilogue, many people said the handshake between Deku and Uraraka meant nothing and was just platonic, even though earlier parts of the story consistently show her feelings for him, her blushing, and moments where Deku himself shows emotional openness and says he wants something more with her.

At the same time, some of those same fans will say that Deku and Bakugo holding hands during battle to combine their powers is romantic. That’s where the inconsistency becomes obvious. If the same kind of emotional framing and character moments that Deku and Uraraka have were given to Bakugo and Deku instead, many of those same people would instantly call it romance.

The problem is not just interpretation, it is how uneven the interpretation is depending on which ship is involved. Canon ships get minimized, while fanon ships get inflated.

Another issue is how some people pretend to like the female character in the canon ship just to justify their criticism of the pairing. They will say things like she is badly written or that the author “ruined her character” by putting her in the relationship, but a lot of the time it feels less like actual writing criticism and more like frustration that she is part of a ship they do not want to be canon.

At that point it stops being about analyzing the story fairly and starts becoming selective reading based on preference. And I’m not saying you can’t ship what you want, it perfectly fine to prefer a fanon ship over a “canon” one. The problem starts when that preference overrides what is actually shown in the story, and people begin bending or dismissing scenes depending on which pairing they already want to be true.

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u/Additional-Camp4831 — 11 days ago