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There’s legitimately no reason to cast famous live action actors over actual voice actors in animated media

Voice acting is a completely different discipline than stage acting and screen acting. There’s some overlap, but they’re not interchangeable. Just because someone is a talented screen actor doesn’t mean they’ll be automatically a good voice actor. A lot of extremely talented live action actors also happen to be dogshit voice actors. Part of this comes from hiring what are essentially rookies and expecting them to perform to snuff but part of it is live action actors consistently not taking voice acting roles seriously and undervaluing the medium. They either phone it in or treat it like a joke. You don’t need to be voice director to know it’ll be a struggle to get decent performances out of people who think voice over work for animated media is kiddie shit and an easy paycheck.

You also don’t get most of the fame value that live action actors bring to the table. A large chunk of a screen actor’s brand is their appearance and recognizable face. The vast majority of the audience recognize actors by faces, not by names. Most screen actors don’t have distinct enough voices to be instantly recognizable. What’s the point of sacrificing a massive amount of budget to shell out for a famous actor when 90% of the audience won’t recognize or care that it’s their voice they’re hearing coming out of the characters’ mouth? You might as well burn that money.

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u/carbonera99 — 5 hours ago
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Sukuna is NOT a "Force of nature/ one-dimensional evil for the sake of it" villain that a startling majority of fans/dissidents of JJK's writing seem to misunderstand about him. He's not even a Hedonist.

One of main themes of JJK that Yuji eventually realises in chapter 265 is that humans are neither inherently good or evil, they can be bound to either roles depending on their circumstances. While people tend to focus on Yuji's aspect of development, where he grows out of his cog mentality and accepts his value as a person outside of his ability to fulfil his role, Sukuna's character in this theme is often heavily overlooked.

Throughout the story, Sukuna is often displayed as this otherworldly, hedonistic force of nature villain that tramples over anything that stands in his way. Classic examples of this include Uro's description of him after her fight with Yuta, his initial actions in the Shibuya, after first incarnating etc.

Yet, as we continue throughout Shinjuku Showdown, there are blatant signs of Sukuna being far more human than what is initially portrayed, what he wishes to portray to others.

Case in point, his conversations with Yuji and Kashimo. When Kashimo asks him if he's satisfied, why he decided to split his soul to become a cursed object, Sukuna explicitly dodges his question, changing the topic to talk about love and why he doesn't need to satisfy him, its pretty clear he wasn't. Sukuna's actions simply don't match that of the hedonistic individual he's initially shown to be, hedonism is all about maximising pleasure, enjoyment.

Yet, Sukuna simply kills and eats out out of boredom, to pass time until his death. His actions match that of a nihilist, he finds no greater meaning in life other than objective, in-the-moment metrics. This trait is further explored in chapter 265, Sukuna places his fish above Yuji's in value simply because its bigger, while Yuji retorts, saying his fish is more rare. Rarity is a subjective, personal value that society created, something Sukuna cannot understand, due to his circumstances as a starving child, treated as a outcast by his family. He has never known true human connection, and as a result, finds no meaning beyond objective metrics like strength, which is why he seems to value it so much, not because he is obsessed with it, but because it simply exists, theres nothing subjective about it (in his view). Sukuna is also objectively shown to be a genius, he discusses haiku with Yorozu, he has knowledge of flowers, and yet for all his smarts and knowledge, he's unable to understand something fundamental for others.

After his death, we this expanded as well, out of fear of being immolated by his own curse of being abandoned by his family after eating his twin from starvation ( a very human emotion", Sukuna resorted to spewing out his own curses, to portray this outward image of being a enigmatic force of nature. And yet, Sukuna himself is aware of his own emptiness, his life's lack of meaning. When talking to Kashimo and Yuji, he's actively trying to listen to them, but he simply can't understand them.

It only makes Yuji's pity at the end so much more staggering. When no one else in the story, even the "strongest"s, Gojo and Kashimo could understand Sukuna, it was Yuji who eventually realised just how pitifull, sad and empty Sukuna was. Nothing more than a human who could find no personal/subjective meaning in things, a empty shell born of the unfortunate circumstances of his birth, who desperately tried to hide said emptiness by being the "strongest", by being a "curse".

Right before he dies, Sukuna explicitly calls himself a "curse" because as long as he lives, he could do no more than hide himself behind a lie, a false persona.

This was done a whim, prob could have expanded on it more but can't think of anything else for now

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u/Normalperson1405 — 15 hours ago
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The people asking for realistic consequences for action scenes in their media don’t even know what they’re asking for

Yeah combat in fiction is unrealistic. It has to be. Adding realistic consequences to fighting and action scenes in media would completely inhibit the ability of the story to tell a story.

The character gets shot. In a story, they continue to fight while muscling through the pain and win against all odds. In real life they can’t staunch the bleeding and they die of blood loss in ten minutes. Does realism improve this story?

I’m not saying realism can’t enhance some stories. Shows like The Pitt wouldn’t work if they weren’t so true to life. There’s genuine value in prioritizing realism in a show like that. Prioritizing realism in something like John Wick would just result in a worse, unsatisfying story as John Wick becomes permanently crippled after the first movie and has to spend the next two films slowly recuperating and doing physical therapy to get back to just a normal keel of physical activity.

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u/carbonera99 — 4 hours ago
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The misuse of “plot hole” & “missed potential”

I despise how people have begun throwing the terms “plot hole” & “missed potential” at everything they perceive as “badly written” whenever someone asks them to provide any explanation or evidence for why they think this. It’s even worse when you have thousands of people willing to defend takes like this via the appeal to popularity fallacy (“well most of the fandom / most critics agree, therefore you can’t disprove this no matter how many analysis’s of the show you make!”)

I swear nowadays the term “plot hole” has also lost all meaning. When did “plot holes” go from meaning a genuine contradiction in a story’s logic or world-building, to “any unexplored (or completely fanon) plotline / lore detail I wanted to see more of” or “anything that wasn’t spoonfed to me / anything that WAS spoonfed to me, but all of us didn’t pay attention too at all”?

No, just because a show doesn’t have it’s characters constantly eat or drink every second onscreen, doesn’t mean they “don’t drink at all which is a major plot hole because how are they still alive if they aren’t eating / drinking anything!“ nor “a dropped plotline / missed lore potential that would’ve saved the writing” that should’ve happened in the middle of the main characters fighting the big bad guy while the main character’s girlfriend gets fucking stabbed through the chest”.

(there’s a ton of other examples for this, but Murder Drones has them drink in almost every episode, with clear implications they kept doing it offscreen in between episodes too. The discourse got so bad that the writer had to answer in a public interview when asked that yes- the cast drinks & eats offscreen. The show still gets a ton of hate for this because “this is a plot hole since we could’ve gotten a major plotline where they ran out of food b-but the writer hates us because he’s not giving us the fanfic plot we wanted!”)

In the end of episode 1, N says “I’d join you if the sun didn’t kill me!” & we see it burn solver hosts in episodes 4, 6 & 8. The show having vampire robots that get damaged in sunlight isn’t a “plot hole” for “not being explained enough”. They’re vampires. This is the most common trope.

No, the TADC cast conjuring things isn’t a “plot hole” because “it wasn’t actually explained / it came out of nowhere / but how did Jax & Kinger know how to make things, do they conjure everything from their mind can they only conjure existing assets Caine made? Why couldn’t Zooble conjure herself a new body? Why can’t the cast conjure NPCs or Caine to bring him back? All of this could’ve been a plotline. TADC had such missed potential, Goose is such a bad writer“. People just want the story to be like their fanfics & as an entirely different show.

Jax’s backstory with Ribbit not being fully revealed yet isn’t a “major plot hole” either. Maybe it could’ve been fully told to us earlier on in episodes 4 or 6. Maybe this & the whole “Jax & Ribbit being siblings” possibility (if them being siblings or former lovers doesn’t end up as canon) is “missed potential”, but it’s not a valid critique to say that Jax’s whole character or the show is “poorly written” just because it’s likely not gonna end up being canon.

Deku getting OFA doesn’t make MHA “filled with plot holes” nor “badly written“ because “Deku getting into UA while quirkless was missed potential“. Shigaraki, Dabi & Toga being saved & the manga having a whole other arc about their redemption until they become qualified heroes (or free civilians) could MAYBE be considered “missed potential”, but not “bad writing”.

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u/OkButterscotch6742 — 3 hours ago
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[JoJo's Bizarre Adventure] The worst thing about Part 5, for me, is how you can just ignore it.

Yes, ignoring it.

What would even change in your perception of the story if Part 5 never happened? Every part (at least from 1 to 6 excluding 5) gives their little bit of contribution for the next one, but Part 5? What will you lose?

Requiem? So freaking broken and random that Araki never used it again.

Characters? Several of them are memorable, but their actions don't change absolutely nothing in the main story. Even more, characters like Polnareff got its outcome to be quite...terrible, but also Jotaro having the help of the Speedwagon Foundation, couldn't have helped Polnareff in some way, or even care about him?

Details such as Diavolo selling the arrows to Enyaba are good, but things could continue exactly the same if they just said that Enyaba found the arrows.

I know, Part 5 can be enjoyable, but the thing is...it deserves to be considered a "Part"?

For me, it's more like "The Adventure of DIO's son" more than deserving the spotlight of being a part.

I never liked Part 5 much, but I can value it's content in a story-importance way, and by doing that, I reach this conclusion.

On Part 6, Giorno, even if being a son of DIO, he doesn't make any type of appearance, only hinting in the manga that "he might already be in Florida", but that's it, and, on the Part 6 anime, the only thing that I can remember to be related to Part 5 is Pucci having Diavolo's theme in a sequence where he is mad.

Now, I must say, skipping Part 5 grants losing some quality time, good fights and shenanigans, but what I want to show is my own apathy towards this Part, being absolutely skippable.

This is my opinion, and I wanted to share it, if there is something wrong please correct me, thank you!

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u/Fated_to_be — 9 hours ago
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Honestly, why does Batman get the most flack for not wanting to kill his villains when that's basically every superhero except a key few?

I can't tell if it's just cause How Popular Batman is or just the insane lack of media literacy but if you're gonna give shit to Batman for not killing his villains despite how bad they are/were, then you gotta give the same flack to characters like Spider-Man(who more or less let's sickos like Green Goblin and Carnage stay alive despite it all)or people like Reed Richards who lets Dr Doom stay alice despite the fact that bro is a insane sociopath who wants to ruin his and his family's lives.

Or hell,Daredevil doesn't get flack for keeping sickos like Kingpin and Bullseye alive.

I could keep going but Batman deadass shouldn't be the only one singled out for it and it's not even his fault his villains keep breaking out, that is explicitly on Gotham for being shit at containing them and Bruce could throw as much money to the problem as he wants but Gotham is corrupt.

Also Bruce has made it clear many times that he doesn't mind when others kill(i mean,one of his friends is Wonder Woman),has gone on record to let people like Joker die and also made it clear to Gordon that if he wanted to take Joker out, he wouldn't stop him.

Also Bruce has attempted to kill Joker a good chunk of times.

he almost killed Joker the first time had Jason not stopped him.

he also almost killed Joker after Jason's death but Superman stopped him.

He also threw a knife at Joker with the intent to kill in the Batman Beyond Move, Put Joker in a full body cast in the Red Hood Movie, almost killed him in the Batman:Hush Movies,etc.

Also I'm gonna be so real, if Jason and Punisher were really as "better Batman" as people claim they are, then the cities of where they live would be a lot more safe yet they don't kill any major villains and only go after unnamed thugs and mob bosses but that's another conversation.

Like,let's be real..people Just want the Punisher.

they don't Want Batman, they basically want the the Punisher,a edgy and black wearing Vigilante who has a ton of weapons who lost his family but uses Guns and kills.

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u/Apprehensive_Ring_39 — 16 hours ago
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NO, PICCOLO DIDN'T JUST "THINK" HE WAS A DEMON, HE WAS ALWAYS A DEMON

I see this all the time when discussing dragon ball.

People always say Piccolo only thought he was a demon and was just a slug man.

That is wrong, that's not what happened at all. The story is very explicit that he is BOTH. He is Namekian by blood, yes, and he wasn't aware some of his powers had their origin in said blood. But in dragon ball, you can be part of the demon race or be a demon by title, just like you can ascend to godhood, and have the mystical abilities that come with that

The smoking gun is that people killed by demons can't go to the afterlife, which happened to Krillin, Roshi and Chaotzu when they were killed by King Piccolo. But Goku does go to heaven after being killed by Piccolo in the battle against Raditz, and Raditz goes to Hell.

Kami specifically comments on this, on how Goku going to heaven is a sign Piccolo might be rejecting his demonic nature after being spared by Goku

Him actually being namekian doesn't contradict this. it explains some things he thought were demonic but it doesn't make him not a demon

And yeah this is obviously a retcon but it's well written and makes sense

I know daima then retconned it so all namekians come from the demon realm so I guess this doesn't matter

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u/Gui_Franco — 9 hours ago
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I hate how powerscalers value statements over feats to the point it they will ignore feats entirely for statements that have no barring on the actual visual canon [Alien X vs Kratos]

People often say statements are always viable until they are contradicted by feats...but what everyone likes to ignore is that 90% of the time statements are easily disproven by feats yet people still treat statements like thw gospel when its convieniant. What makes it worse is how whats called "Feat merchants" are often downplayed in favor of those who rely purely on statements. The most egregious examples of this is Kratos and Alien X.

Alien X, on screen has: Casually ignored the descrution of a universe, casually recreated said universe in seconds from memory, fought another being with the same level of power as himself and won Mid-Difficulty at most (once Ben used his brain). He has manipulated time, space, reality, etc...

Meanwhile there is Kratos, who from understanding doesnt have a single feat ON screen of even destroying so much as a mountain. He quite literally struggles in game to scale a moutain and cut down a tree.

Now to any reasonable person who is not the powerscaling world abd played GOW and watched ben 10 they wouldnt hesitate to say Alien X is stronger, however, in the powerscaling world? Alien X is HARD capped at universal by most while Kratos has discussion putting him at multiversal or even boundless...like the fuck?..

Look im not ignorant to powerscaling being more than just flashy powers on screen, chainscaling and yes statements do matter but thats in total. What bothers me about these two example specifically is how Alien X has both Statements AND feats but his statements are completely fucking ignored despite actually having the feats that support it.

For example: one of the most controversial statements for Alien X is that the Nalgians (Ben 10) confirms the universe is made of 26 dimensions. Suddenly those statements are "weird" and "empty". This is also a running theme with his other statements such as when it was confirmed by other celestialcepians that Alien X can (and has 3 times) change the artstyle of the show like just straight up. This would imply Alien X has some narrative powers as well which would imply boundless or some form of transcendence. But then so many would just say "its just a meta joke" despite it being taken absolutley serious in canon.

Based on powerscalers own logic, based on the insane shit we've seen Alien X do, these statements and chainscaling should hold up right? Wrong. Universal. Hard Cap.

Then there is Kratos, the man who again didnt so much as blow up a planet, has to walk up a moutain and struggled to cut down a tree is multiversal+ due ONLY to chainscaling & statements, none of which is onscreen to even get a feeling of otherwise Kratos fans would have showed it.

Its just such a blatant hypocrisy and double standard to the point it seems Alien x is hated for actually having onscreen feats for reference which is so fucking backwards when it comes to logic. God of War scaling is literally nothing but statements with no visual feats to back it up to the point its two different concepts entirely.

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u/Haunting_East_8330 — 13 hours ago

Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel might be one of the unluckiest characters of all time.

She has one of the craziest publication histories which i'd like more people to talk about.

Carol has never really been that popular of a character, even when she was first created.When the concept of Carol Danvers first appeared, it was because Marvel wanted to ride the wave of second-wave feminism that was growing at the time. We get to her initial push, where she was one of the first superheroines to receive a solo comic series, and she was also given the name Ms. Marvel to represent the feminism of the character.Unfortunately, the push didn’t stick. Carol was relegated to being a supporting character, where she remained for several decades, going through editorial struggles. She was quickly left on a limbo for a few years and then brought back only to…appear in complicated storylines (I think we all know which one I’m referring to.) Plus the Rogue moment that everyone is familiar about. This ended up being one of the most impactful uses of Carol in that period which was ironically more for another character’s development than for her own long-term momentum (poor Carol barely knew this was going to be her status quo for a while.)

Right after all that controversial period Chris Claremont stepped in to course-correct the character because he really liked Carol, directly addressing what happened and having Carol confront the Avengers before leaving Earth for a time. Carol went through one of her first major reinventions when she became Binary and joined the X-Men. None of that translated into lasting A-list popularity but at least it allowed writers to stop pretending the character didn't exist (or Marvel trying to bury her,who knows.)After losing her Binary powers, Carol returned to Earth and eventually took on the identity of Warbird. During the late 80s and 90s, she largely remained an Avengers supporting character, though writers did attempt to deepen her through storylines like her struggle with alcoholism. While this added development, it still didn’t elevate her to A-list status, so she was important, but still not a headliner. Then, Claremont’s earlier influence and the groundwork laid over time finally starts to pay off, and we get the second major push for the character in the early-mid 2000s, when female characters were beginning to see a resurgence (many DC characters getting solo titles, teams like Birds of Prey, the success of Charlie’s Angels, etc.). Marvel probably felt like it was time to try again with Carol.They gave her another solo series that brought her out of limbo and achieved moderate success. And although it again failed to turn Carol Danvers into an A-list character, it at least solidified her as a “premiere supporting character.” She began appearing in several major events during that decade, such as Secret Invasion, Decimation, and House of M.

Finally, we arrive at the third attempt to push Carol in the 2010s, coinciding with the rise of the MCU (with The Avengers establishing itself as a major franchise, Carol taking on the mantle of Captain Marvel in the same year,progressive politics taking more space.) I believe this was a turning point for Marvel,a moment where they thought everything was aligned to finally turn Carol into the headliner they had always envisioned. But once again, major turbulence got in the way. In the comics, we had the terrible character assassination of Carol in the infamous Civil War II. But that seemed manageable, as Carol received a successful solo run written by Kelly Thompson in 2019 that appeared to clean the slate,right in time for the release of her film, which made over $1.1 billion.

It felt like the stars were perfectly aligning at every step… except things started to fall apart soon after.I won’t get into debates about who was right or wrong, what Brie Larson did or didn’t say, or whether the film’s success was deserved. But it’s clear that something happened around the time of the film’s release and in the years following it, where the general audience developed not just indifference, but apathy towards the character.And that seems to have affected The Marvels. After all, it’s much easier to get audiences to like a character they don’t know than to convince them to like a character they already know,but have decided they don’t find interesting. It becomes even harder to justify failure when this is the third major attempt, backed by the biggest film franchise in history. The truth is, there isn’t really another explanation: Carol Danvers has never been, and likely never will be the kind of character Marvel wants her to be, because from the very beginning of her creation she has consistently been left behind whenever she failed to meet Marvel’s expectations. Aquaman’s second film had a more successful box office, and came from a franchise in worse shape with a much weaker reputation, yet it didn’t earn the distinction of being one of Hollywood’s biggest bombs like The Marvels did. And before some fans try to blame the writers’ strike, I’d ask them to honestly consider whether interviews with Brie Larson or Iman Vellani or promotional moments that wouldn’t significantly impact box office would have magically pushed The Marvels to $500 million.

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u/yuuki157 — 4 hours ago

Hot take, Dandadan and SpyXFamily have the same issue where they over-rely on comedy to the point of Tonal whiplash[some spoilers for Dandadan]

I love both those shows/Mangas, they're not even bad to me but Holy shit, those 2 series have little to no good balance with the comedy and serious stuff that it tends to feel like borderline tonal whiplash.

People will defend them with the "oh they're comedy anime" and that's not the issue but I just feel like those 2 series have a real bad habit where they can't take themselves seriously for more then a arc or minute and it just feels like they over-rely on comedy.

Like SpyXFamily will have(and did have) a moment where Loid will tell Yor about his mother and what she was like and it will be a genuinely sweet and romantic and even heartwarming moment..but then the next scene will have her forgetting about it due to her drinking a ton of wine and he has to tell her again.

like I said,a extreme amount of whiplash and even bigger issue is the fact that they take Yor drinking a ton of alcohol and wine and basically get herself drunk to deal with these things as Comedy instead of actual flaws for her to overcome and stop,like it was funny the first time but Yor does that almost all the time where she basically has to get herself wasted to do these things and it's like..sometimes I question what is even the humor,Yor gets insanely violent when drunk?

is that funny?

Also the insanely slow progression between Yor and Loid is so bad that it has people freaking out when the literal bare minimum happens and I'm not even asking for hard-core sex and fucking,just some more instead of literal crumbs but that's another conversation.

And a big problem is this series will also have a ton of dark shit with family members of cast members and other characters being revealed to have died and then the next arc will be about Anya having goofy moments and taking a test and it just feels like this series has no consistency in that kinda thing and gets defended with "oh its not a serious show" or "oh it's not a romantic show" or anything like that.

I just wish SpyXFamily took itself more seriously cause it has a real big problem where it tends to not do that when it genuinely should and the fact that the characters don't question anything cause of plot is a problem.

Dandadan has weirdly the same problems and such but this is more obvious cause this series is so weirdly aimless..it's like those shows where they basically have to battle alien/Yokai of the week.

Like this series has such a weird lack of urgency and there's no direction or nothing and the villains range from lackluster to forgettable to just wasted.

This isn't even coming from someone who hates Dandadan cause that kinda shit was fine at the beginning but as the story continues, the lack of direction and how aimless it is really starts to become obvious and is really obvious in this current arc cause surprise, you need a direction and story/drive when writing a long running manga cause you can only rely on Monster of the Week for so long.

These Characters might as well be running around like headless chickens and not doing jack shit and I'm not going to even talk about how there's no urgency on Momo's memories or nothing..like maybe if there was a time limit on to get Momo's memories back and they had to fight the clock,that would be something but no, it's no urgency and the characters aren't even trying to find ways to get her memories back other then just hoping for the best.

The Other Characters might as well be benchwarmers and it's not like actual important shit isn't happening but at the same time,we're stuck and focused on this literal Filler.

And I'm not going to even talk about how the main 4 Characters have been Castrated from all good likablity and growth thru had and might as well be cartoony caricatures.

And Here's the thing,Gintama shows you can do a comedy manga that knows when to take itself seriously when they have to cause they know how to goddamn Balance it and do a little thing called consistency.

SpyXFamily and Dandadan Have very sloppy consistency.

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u/Apprehensive_Ring_39 — 7 hours ago
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