r/titanfolk

I genuinely don't understand why people support the Marleyan Warriors over the people of Paradis.

For 3 seasons, Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie:

1. Killed 25% of Island's population, destroying countless families
2. Mercilessly killed their own comrades
3. Repeatedly showed willingness to wipe out the entire island

And you know the CRAZIEST part about this?

They spent YEARS living among the people of Paradis.They lived with their victims, eating, training, laughing with them, realizing the people inside the walls were NOT “devils.” I can have sympathy for them at the age of 12 when they were brainwashed children, but they knew what they were doing after joining the Survey Corps at the age of 17. Everything happening from Season 1 Episode 4 to Season 4 is on them.

They could have:

• Aborted the mission
• Defected to Paradis
• Minimized unnecessary casualties
• Refused to continue the genocide once they learned the truth

But that would have required actual courage and sacrifice. Instead, they chose their own comfort, status, and loved ones over millions of innocent lives. Why?

• To become heroes back home
• To save a handful of family members
• To get a higher status in Marleyan society

So please, stop pretending they were "morally grey". They chose to sacrifice MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS a few loved ones as well as higher status in Marleyan society instead of fighting their oppressors. They decided it was alright to kill innocents to save their own skin, like the cowards they are.

And despite all this, the story still bends over backwards to reward them:

• Reiner gets his life extended, and meets his mother
• Annie reunites with her father
• Gabi survives
• The warriors become global ambassadors living privileged lives

Meanwhile Paradis, the actual oppressed nation eventually gets destroyed anyway. So what is the author trying to say? “If you’re oppressed, don’t fight back. Accept your fate for the greater good. If 90 people in a village want to slaughter 10 innocents people, then they should quietly accept their death as fighting back leads to more violence.”

Also, people need to stop acting like Reiner was redeemed because he felt depressed. Feeling guilty is NOT redemption. Redemptions requires acknowledgement, accountability, atonement and amends. Reiner barely did the acknowledgement part. He had YEARS to stop what he was doing and didn’t. In fact, he later pushes Marley to attack Paradis sooner, and was fine with wiping out the island even at the age of 21.

And Annie? She never even apologizes for the horrific things she did. She literally said she'd do everything all over again.

The biggest problem is how the narrative forces us to overlook the following:

• The Scouts sacrificed everything just to protect humanity
• Mikasa loses almost everyone she loves and gets one of the emptiest endings
• Paradis spends nearly the entire story fighting defensive wars

And before someone says “but, but, the story is about the cycle of violence”:
Well, one side kills invades a peaceful country, kills millions, and attempts multiple genocides. In they end, they are still humanized, and even considered redeemed.
Meanwhile, as soon as Paradis gets the power to fight back, they are supposed to show empathy to people who haven't done an ounce of redemption
That’s not a cycle of violence. That’s one side getting slaughtered because of suicidal empathy, while a completely new cycle begins with the original genociders still standing.

It is no secret that Reiner and Jean are favourite characters of Hajime Isayama. The entire final season is evidence of this, with Hajime bending every possible logic to show Reiner in a positive light despite doing zero acts of redemption, and literally retconning both Jean and Mikasa to end up together.

Just a day before the Trost attack, Reiner acknowledges the entire 104th cadets to be island demons and not his friends. Reiner also forces the "revenge for Liberio" to be preponed. He made absolutely no counter arguments whatsoever, when Magath talked of eradicating Paradis. He then had the audacity to tell Eren to sleep and give up, so that he could "​end" the conflict. But guess what, we all are supposed to ignore all this and root for Reiner for the as a felt bad and cried. If Ad0lf H cried in from Hajime, he'd probably forgive him. This leads me to believe Hajime sees a bit of Reiner in himself, a depressed creep with severe victim complex. He probably blamed the entire world for his failures in school.

Jean was literally retconned. He was the only one who acknowledged that the rumbling was good for Paradis, yet he decided to go ahead with that garbage brain Hange.

And lets not forget Hajime Isayama deliberately jeopardized Erens and Mikasa relationship so that he can give more screentime to mediocre characters like Reiner and co. If their relationship was so vital to the ending, why not spend time on that instead of his half hearted attempt to redeem Reiner.

My personal theory is that Hajime sees himself in both Reiner(a creep with severe victim complex) and Jean(a loser who is obsessed with a girl who ignored him for 10 years, hoping to get her some day). Some girl probably rejected him in his youth because of his "good looks", and he wanted his favorite character to get that girl in this story. This is the reason is why Hajime stopped developing Mikasa's character after season 1. She was the most popular at the time which made Hajime resent her, taking his real life frustrations on her. And this is another reason why he did not develop Eremika in the final season.

I am glad AoT never became the number selling manga in any year. Demons Slayer sold more copies with less chapters. JJK sold significantly more copies even before its anime aired compared to AoT.

"Listen to me Historia, this is very important. That farmer who's been hitting on you? Seems like a decent, athletic guy. Fuck him. Have the raunchiest sex imaginable and as often as possible. I'm gonna genocide half the globe to end Ymir's curse, so you can have as many babies with him as you want. You'll be fine, both you and your children.

Eren, what are you...

Please let him impregnate you Historia. God, you're gonna look so hot pregnant. Also, this is gonna sound weird but then I'm gonna turn into a bird. I'd, uh, like to think that it's fine if I check on you every once in a while. You know, just to see how things are going, haha...

Eren, what the fuck are yo-

JUST LEAVE THE WINDOW OPEN WHEN HE'S FUCKING YOU ALRIGHT?

...

I... I'm sorry I yelled Historia, just... Just do this for me, alright? And, uh, make eye contact with the bird.

That scenery..."

I listened to it once and found it a few times on this sub but I never knew where it originates from, does anyone knows ?

It was fun talking to folks who hadn't tried anime before and had a rudimentary understanding of it, and them getting blown away by season 1.

Now I cannot in good faith ever recommend this steaming pile of trash to anyone, lmao.

Shoving her into a crystal that early in the story was a mistake. Either she should've escaped and went back to Marley at any point after the Clash of Titans arc and the later years of the timeskip, or the Scouts should've opened her crystal and tried to either pass her Titan to someone else, or gotten her to defect.

how to open up the crystal? Isayama could've made up that Eren's hardening, or Armin's Colossal Titan's strength, or even the Thunder Spears could've done it.

when Marley counter-attacked in Shiganshina, we had Reiner transform and Eren waits for him below. the moment is animated in an epic way to hype it up, but it really isn't hype if you think about it. Reiner had ever only lost to Eren when their titans clashed. Imagine for a moment if Eren is expecting Reiner to transform up in the sky, and in all actuality it's Annie with her Female Titan.

remember, Eren only barely defeated a mentally broken Annie using his super-berserker form in the anime (what the heck was that anyway?), and didn't defeat her at all in the manga, he simply cornered her with the aid of the SC who managed to capture her. So in truth, he never really defeated Annie

now that would've been a hype fight that late in the story.

but you know. five years worth of pie

Ive seen sooo many posts n comments hating on Mikasa it's crazy, n I'm trying to understand why. Is there a legitimate reason orr what.

Eg: I saw som1 say eren would rather fight a titan than kiss her at the end of s2 lik bru whaaa