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Subvert opened today: a short tour of the platforms emerging in the wake of Bandcamp's sale
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Subvert opened today: a short tour of the platforms emerging in the wake of Bandcamp's sale

Subvert opened to the public this morning, the most ambitious Bandcamp alternative to launch in years. Cooperatively owned by its 20,000+ members on a one-member-one-vote basis, with a 0% platform fee replaced by an optional tip at checkout.

For context: Bandcamp was sold to Epic Games in 2022, then to Songtradr in 2023, with around half the staff (including the entire union) let go in the aftermath. The site still works. But several of the people who made it feel like a music institution rather than a store no longer work there. A few platforms have been quietly building since.

I put together a short tour of where things stand: Bandcamp, Subvert, Mirlo (worker-coop, open source), Faircamp (self-hosted software, not a platform), plus Ampwall, Resonate, Funkwhale and Jam.coop.

https://thegroovelibrary.net/journal/subvert-and-the-wider-map-of-independent-music/

(Disclosure: I'm the author, and a Founding Member of Subvert.)

Genuinely curious what people here are doing. Has anyone moved off Bandcamp entirely? Running parallel platforms? Are there others I should have mentioned?

u/XtraMedium666 — 1 day ago

US routing number for Stripe impossible for Canadians

Canadian banks' transit number isn't acceptable by the Stripe entry form. Even my US dollar account uses the Canadian transit number.

I'd be interested to know if any Canadians in Subvert have found the way around this. I'm looking into Wise for a US account, but can't find their routing number either.

As an aside, the AI suggestions from Google always seem ignorant of the correct menu selections for locating such things... sigh.

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u/phflupp — 17 hours ago

Concerned about artist agreement - on the hook for massive tax bills?

Hi. I am surprised nobody has raised concerns for indie artists regarding the agreement or at least had questions or clarifications about it.

from the "Subvert Cooperative Form of Member Agreement (Artist)", a passage seems to imply that if the US government decides to tax the co-op in a particular way, and if the bill is too big for the co-op to cover, that all of the members will have to pay it out of their own pocket..

This seems like it could have the potential to be highly destructive to independent artists and individuals who do not have thousands of dollars to spare.

https://preview.redd.it/bzxfmwoshj0h1.png?width=1427&format=png&auto=webp&s=dec90c40d854fee5a3a7ee623633466ed7fe0edf

Also, making more sense is that the agreement contains a passage suggesting that a potential artist/member needs to consult their own accountant or legal counsel to review these materials. I imagine many independent outfits won't be in a position to do so.

https://preview.redd.it/1of3jzv0ij0h1.png?width=1541&format=png&auto=webp&s=46d1bf2ed59fb1f2d16bf58b655bb2a11307dd12

The first screenshot/passage is the part I am concerned about. It seems to me that it means that someone who releases a couple of things at most and makes a small amount of income could be on the hook for an equal share of a massive tax bill out of their own pocket.

What is going on here? Does anyone have any clarifying insights or is it right to be concerned?

Should people be thinking of this more as a...co-operative business rather than an opportunity to have their work on a more ethical platform? (I do realize it is a 'co-op')

Thanks, be kind please, I was excited about this and am feeling risk adverse because I have to be.

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u/adyo — 3 days ago

Wow, STRIPE only?!!

So after months and months of announcements and everything regarding Subvert, there is only a Stripe option for artist withdrawals???

well thank you very much...

After the whole shitshow with bandcamp switching to stripe and losing potential opportunity for many of us, the artists, from countries where stripe is a mess if even available,, glorious saviour of all the independent artists, subvert, comes with this STRIPE exclusive option...?

while, on teh other hand, bandcamp actually still allows the paypal for withdrawal to us outside of the stripe reach, which is fair...

Well, subvert, this is not a good start, AT ALL...

A disgrace tbh!

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u/petara111 — 3 days ago

Payment service alternative

I love the concept and look of subvert, but creating the artist page I m stuck with the payment service. Wondering if there’ll be an alternative to stripe since I don’t necessarily want to create a new account for this matter. Anyone knows sth?

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u/crunchycrispyhealthy — 6 days ago