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Standard recruit desperately needs an update

With 3.0 trailer confirming at least 11 new characters coming, our overall agent count will increase to a whoping 62 playable units. Assuming worst case scenario of no new A - rank agents, that leaves us with around 34% of the cast available at all time:

6 S- ranks in standard banner

13 A- ranks in sandard banner

2 S- ranks in limited banner

This is extremely bad in my opinion, since all reruns will propably be of S2 characters, because who in their right mind wants to pull for old, powercrept characters when you can get a new shiny and meta unit.
In my opinion, almost all characters from S1 (and their engines) need to be added to standard banner. Of course, there should be some exceptions for the characters that still are meta (Miyabi, Lighter, Astra).
I also believe that game should give us more standard tapes, since they're extremely scarse ( 5 from monthly refresh, 2 from outpost refresh and 4 in each pass). Add a character/W-engie selector and I believe that people might actually concider investing some polys into standard tapes.

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u/TheMightyStalinsHam — 5 hours ago
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Total number of pulls in 3.0 and 3.1 ?

2.0 was coincidentally an anniversary patch so we got something around 175-180 pulls in that patch but that's not the case now as 3.0 is X.0 patch and 3.1 is the anniversary patch so what do you guys think ?

What will the least amount of pulls we can expect in 3.0 ? I think we will get 120-130 pulls in 3.0 as they are introducing a new element and more permanent content ( also 2.8 will be the second most dry patch in the history of ZZZ with only 88 pulls. The other was 2.4 with only 83 pulls ) so it would make more sense to give more pulls.

3.1 should give at least 170-180 pulls as it is an anniversary Patch so it's expected to be loaded with pulls. So that gives us somewhere around 290 PULLS considering both versions which is a decent amount.

As for the pulling plan all my pulls will go towards velina, remielle and sunbringer, other than these I will only pull on rerun banners to get supports ( unless they announce S-rank nicole ).

u/OpportunityTrue1824 — 6 hours ago
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While there are a lot of posts of Sunbringer redesigns, be careful as some like these are actually AI generated

u/Knight_Steve_ — 6 hours ago

Seed or Cissia for solo main DPS?

Obviously theyre the best together, but i can only get 1 S Rank and i desperately need Electric (attack) coverage for endgame. I only have P6 Haru and M6 Anton, i also have Shungguang. I enjoy both their playstyles, so which ones a better investment for me rn?

u/vrtlangl777 — 3 hours ago
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Promeia demo confirms that slavery still exists which makes New Eridu more of disturbing place.

Man New Eridu is shown more and more a place with skeletons in their closet with illegal experiments, discrimination, corruption, some people getting away with crimes, and now slavery it makes me wonder that most decent people are ones that side with Belle and Wise because they get spent time with the twins or understand that the place they live in is terrible but keep pushing on.

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u/DKUnderdog — 10 hours ago
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I REALLY hope Storyteller is playable

In my opinion, she has the best design from the characters I seen. I REALLY love characters that has their eyes covered (take trigger for example). I love the black aesthetic.

But knowing the game she is either a villain, or a garbage character. Her design is WAY too good to be wasted as a temporary villain or as a bad character. I don’t mind if she’s a support or defense charcter, just don’t make her terrible if she’s playable🥲

u/Your_LocalGarbage — 15 hours ago

What can I improve to hit 20k? My high score is 16,166.

Sadly, I wasn't recording when I achieved my high score, so this is the one I uploaded. Seemingly, it wasn't that bad, and I don't see any glaring mistakes compared to my best run, but the score is way lower. I'm clearly doing something wrong, but I can't tell what.

I caught at least 4 mistakes (where I didn't realize I whiffed a parry and spent a few seconds flailing around /w S11, tried Perfect Assists when I was out of Assist Points, wasted Seed's downward mech punch after breaking the blade, whiffed S11's EX because the boss flew back to start launching Miasmic Blades), but I don't think they changed how many stuns I got or ruined the stun window (though I might've gotten the 2nd stun before the shield wall sequence). Maybe it's because the first part of Seed's 2nd mech punch landed outside of the stun window?

Build. Pictures in comments.

Regarding the Dawn's Bloom 4 pc. on S11: I chose that instead of Woodpecker because Seed is the dominant agent in this boss fight, so keeping up Woodpecker stacks for the stun window is too difficult.

Edit: I just hit 16,240! I noticed Seed's buffs weren't fully up during the second stun window and rectified that. I think I could get a few hundred more points by improving that second stun window further (I scrambled a bit and failed to fit in S11's ultimate), but I've still no idea how I can get to 20k.

u/LingonberrySpecific6 — 9 hours ago

Remielle, Elysia, Cyrene - Spoilers for HSR, HI3 and ZZZ 2.8.

I see a lot of comments about Remielle being our Cyrene coming mostly from people who played or know about HSR and comparing her to Cyrene. It kinda rubs me the wrong way and I have to talk about it:

While yes, Cyrene is an Elysia xp - in my opinion, Cyrene was only half the character Elysia was in HI3. Elysia was much more shrewd an cunning in the story of HI3, her flirty and bubbly character was used to make people around her let their guard down while she exactly knew how to get what she wanted from them. You could almost describe her as selfish at points (or more like assertive and with agency getting what she wants) - I mean, she is the Herrscher of Human Ego.

Cyrene had almost none of this and was mostly shown as extremely kind and altruistic while being a tool for the Rememberance. And since HSR is more popular than HI3 most people think this is what Elysia is like - when most of the story in HI3 we get more of the flirty, bubbly, cunning and shrewd character and not the "I will sacrifice everything for humanity" - altruistic character. In fact, it actually hits harder that she does sacrifice herself and we discover that behind her bubbly and flirty personality she always planned for this, it made it much more tragic and impactful.

What I want to say, I think Cyrene did damage to Elysia as a character. Remielle seems much more like the Elysia I knew - at least for now - and I really hope, if she is supposed to be an Elysia xp, they do her justice this time. But since it's been sometime I played HI3 and really didn't like HSR 3.x I may misremember some things - I could be wrong in my characterization of Cyrene and Elysia if someone cares to say why they disagree because they actually paid attention and remember HI3 better, I'd be interesting in reading.

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u/shimapanlover — 2 hours ago
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Where do YOU think Season 2 peaked story wise? (Image related)

With Season 2 ending in one patch I guess it just fits to ask what was your favorite part of this (very divisive) season. it can be a chapter of the story, one of 3 agent story we got this season or even a specific trailer. Come on there has to something you liked because you wouldn't still be here at this point if it wasn't the case

u/Bak_Gamma — 21 hours ago

Hey I kinda needspecifics for certain things involving ZZZ,like Hollows,Money , City design ,Cars, Ether and etc,in lore not game mechanics. I don't actually play the game, mostly cause I honestly have no way too and other stuff so please don't hate me for that.

First thing I want to know is,how do Hollows look consistently? Inside and outside, from what in getting,they actually look normal at times ,you'd honestly be unable to tell people are in a hollow,the sky is visible and you can't actually see the Hollow dome,I think event the sun shines in a Hollow, clouds are visible and stuff. Of course most have floating and destroyed buildings and debris ,but that seems like a Bigger Hollow thing and not a Companion Hollow thing ,idk if they also have warped stuff as well, and if the Hollow shifting is something you visually can see . Also I wonder do most Hollows actually have a visible black or purple barrier or edge inside you can see and think you can reach ? How would you describe the colours of a Hollow.

I want to also know how fissures work ,from cutscenes they seem like they work two ways ,like a bubbling black portal almost or a square like wall that sometimes is visible before you pass through,they seem invisible for the most part ,you'd only see one after randomly running into one and they can shift around also they can teleport you to a different location in the Hollow,not just out of one ,how do normal proxies figure out which is the right one? Also one more thing ,Ether can cause idk what to call this.. rectangular or similar looking black crystals with green parts ,they grow outside and inside a Hollow? and do certain Hollows cause debris to float even outside the Hollow? like around it?

Ethereals form from Hollows,most aren't corrupted people right ? Can they go out a Hollow? I'm confused at times cause due to a Hollow looking like they're outside,I can't tell if they can only be in one ,most come in various shapes and sizes,they also look like animals or even float. How you describe their head's? and that orb ? In their heads. Seems like you can also just knock them out or kill them with hits ,but when they are destroyed do they shatter or turn to purple mist ? Clearing a Companion Hollow or taking out the big Ethereal in one causes a Hollow to collapse right ?

I realised I asked so much about Hollows I might not have time to ask everything...

I'll hope someone's up to read all this.

Anyway, when it comes to Ether ,you can feel it in the air ? it affects your lungs right? Having high Ether-aptitude seems to just let you walk around casually in one and sit around,most people do need meds though to go into a Hollow with high Ether-activity ,others wear hear , tho Hollows raiders don't seem to wear practical looking gear or gear that looks like it covers everything unlike Pubsec officers.

Do normal proxies go into Hollows with Raiders and their Bangboo? I imagine not every proxy gives their Bangboo to a raider and hopes they bring it back while they wait at their work space or outside the Hollow. Do Belle and Wise have high Ether-aptitude? And do normal people usually cannot communicate in the Hollow with comms or any communication device to the outside,is it the same inside? Does most technologically work fine in a Hollow? And are all Bangboo capable of Hollow navigation or are they all built to do different jobs?

There's both Denny coins and bills but they prefer to use coins ? How do you tell the value of a Denny coin? and do they have a star on both sides ?

Seems like the vehicles in the world are pretty normal but are from the 60's ,or just mostly the 1900's they look normal but idk boxy and some are futuristic but only the vehicles for the rich or companies. Phones also seem normal from what I can tell ,tho is there a normal internet as the Inter-Knot seems like a proxy commission space or a place Hollow Raiders find commissions to do and people post commissions,it might have a normal internet thing of being able to comment or have threads but I'm not sure.

How big is New Eridu? Is it bigger than real world cities ,I feel like it's gotta be at times ,it feels like certain areas would be town sized but maybe I'm making it look bigger. Do the buildings look normal ? what cities does each area resemble? If you a stranger was put into New Eridu, would you be able to tell it's a different world if only looking at cars , buildings,devices and sign's.

ZZZ is a Chinese game and uses China kanji or scripts right? I can't tell if it's mixed with anything or if it's normal Chinese ,it seems like there's English as well,some places just have English letters and some scripts, or both ,but I'm not sure ,like Belobog and H.A.N.D. Seems to use English letter's on their vehicles. Would you assume in lore they speak English or a language close to Chinese but they use English as well?

Thirens for the most part are few in lore right? And most struggle with clothing and have certain animal traits affect them like Ellen ?Most have simply animal ears but stop here like Miyabi , and others have a tail like Ju fufu ,they don't have claws right ? just tech to simulate a missing animal feature? Do most have animal ears and human ears? What exactly is Vivian and more recent characters,Velina ,they have elf ears and Vivian also has cat eyes ,idk why people hate when she is called a vampire,cause honestly you'd have to really look to see her bird theme or her being a Banshee but her character is more a yandere Lolita vampire ,like come on guys ,Hugo is assumed to be a vampire even if he is lying possibly,tho I do wonder...do most normal terms and stuff exist in New Eridu?

Most tech runs on Ether? I saw that vehicles are fuelled by Ether,same with the city and everything else but also that there's still old fuel if you can't afford it ,is electrically powered by Ether as well?

This also brings me to W-engines ,do the sound waves in them manipulate the Ether in the air that does exist even outside a Hollow,or the one inside people's bodies as I've seen Vidoes suggest To Yi Xuan is manipulating her own positive Ether which is why it glows like that ,but also uses her w-engine to manipulate the Ether around her which is why her bird or other attacks are black with cold . It seems like Ether comes in any colour ,red,blue , green, purple,gold ,etc.

Most w-engines can Ether into elements like lightning,ice ,fire and...isn't that it? But in lore it seems more common to just make Ether into a slash of energy or blasts,I think they boost characters physical strength and speed,most aren't visible or are in a person's weapon specifically as far as I can tell. Astra can use her idk weapon Mic to sing and manipulate Ether directly herself, also confirming, is the stuff we see like shapes and ice or fire physically there ? For Astra is her music notes of Ether able visually there ?

Also does Vivian actually have thrusters in lore under her skirt that suddenly appear ? What's a game visual and actually in the lore ?

Finally,how strong is the people in ZZZ? many just are superhuman but by how much ? They can dodge bullets which also seems normal , there's normal guns it seems , though that's reaction speed ,travel speed is tricky ,it don't think most can run faster than a car or destroy a building,or at least one blow , can they survive being hit through buildings? I feel like the limit for characters,like Void Hunters is Multi city block and hyper sonic or massively hyper Sonic in reaction. Durability is iffy.

u/Slight_Hope_45 — 5 hours ago

Do you think they actually showed the villain in the teaser trailer?

As of right now we assume all the characters they showed are playable, but I think there is also a very good possibility that some of the shown characters, I.e. storyteller and sunbringer. Could actually just be villains for the season in the same way the a 2.X teaser showed Sarah and the Exaltis.

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u/G0ldsh0t — 14 hours ago
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Man, my Eve team is getting worse and worse with each update of Shiyu

And even stuff like Eve on different builds doesn't work... And this is with m1 Astra.

u/Cherrybutton — 20 hours ago

Remielle and Sunbringer are about to fight here. Would you like to see this fight animated for the 3.1 anniversary?

u/coco_puffsz — 15 hours ago

Kinda funny that Aria Nangong are so strong it becomes a problem

If you apply corruption on an enemy they get confused for a few seconds and can't give parries. In shiyu I often can't use Aria Nangong's basic attacks to build energy, or sometimes even assist followups, cuz their massive AM especially with sig would instantly corrupt and I can't get parries to stun fast enough

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u/ElegantRadish4646 — 3 hours ago
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Is she truly sunbringer or a descendant?

The whole community went mad on her new design that somehow I haven't seen people talk about how she looks so different from the horns, eyes, skin color to hair style, do you think she is a descendant or sunbringer got a completely redesign

u/NotDracoSr — 1 day ago

How do y'all feel about the fight between Sunna and Nangong?

https://reddit.com/link/1t192qf/video/0wkzj8nuxlyg1/player

I felt like Sunna was valid for her worries, and Nangongs reaction was way out of line, but it felt like the story was saying that Sunna was just wrong for thinking the way she did, expecially since Nangong never apologized, and it seemed that Belle just shut Sunna down instead of hearing her out.

I understand that they are just kids but Im not sure if i loved how this went down

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u/Aquele_gaj0 — 15 hours ago