r/WarriorCats

What’s the saddest canon fact you know about?

Mine: >!The Tribe was made over 60 years ago, so that means Fallen Leaves was trapped in the tunnels alone endlessly for 60+ years. !<

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spoilers for arc 1, and a little bit of bluestars prophecy.

okay going all the way back to the originals. I'm not saying what I'm saying is set in stone and the only thing that should be, this is just my thoughts and opinions, but I always think...

why couldn't lionheart be Fireheart/star's Starclan mentor?

sure, the guy didn't last very long, but neither did Spottedleaf.

I feel like even if it wasn't long, it was nice seeing him not believing Rusty of wanting to leave his kitty pet life to be one of a clan warrior at first. he was originally supposed to be Firepaw's mentor. I always see Lionheart as this gentle giant type character, almost like a loving father, even in his small run. I feel like Lionheart and Tigerclaw were almost like opposites, even if not kin. (Well, lionheart is the brother of goldenflower, tigerclaws mate, so maybe.) Lionheart was well, a lion, and Tigerclaw is like a....tiger. they reflected the original clans of wild cats. lionheart was sturdy but gentle and loyal, while Tigerclaw was more quick to violence and battle.

It would have been amazing to have Firepaw see his original mentor die, and be torn by that, not the nice-smelling Spottedleaf. don't get me wrong, I'm not a Spottedleaf hater. she's her own cat, and she's decent. But a cat who really hadn't done anything for our main character except heal some wounds just doesn't feel fair. sure, she gave the prophecy, but she didn't have to be the center.

there are some other connections I like to make .

Firepaw becomes Fireheart. like Lionheart. "heart" is a common warrior name, I know, but It would've been so nice if this name could've almost reflected the cat he lost. maybe Bluestar saw the Lionheart in him, and named him so, along with, of course, the fire that was in his heart to save the clans.

Back in the days of Pinestar's ruling, I remember him telling Lionpaw that he would've absolutely named him Lionheart, and to tell Sunstar.

Pinestar was leaving his leader life to be one of a kittypet, and Firepaw was leaving his kittypet life to be one of a warrior.

imagine if Lionheart thought that on his death bed when they found him dying. imagine him bringing that down to Firestar, even if he's not the leader. But as the deputy, it would be nice to see him say, "Firepaw, if I were to live to be a leader, just know I would've named you Fireheart..."

And Pinestar's warrior name was pineHEART, imagine if it was a cycle. (squirrelflight being called Squirrelheart lmao. )

maybe Starclan would've given Bluestar that idea as well. maybe it's stupid, but it's just something I think.

now, lastly, the prophecy in the darkest hour. the introduction to bloodclan, and the creation of Lionclan and Tigerclaw. the form of shadow clan and river clan, windclan and Thunderclan.

Thunder is shown throughout these books, and still to this day, to always be the "main character clan" they're usually loyal, they're inviting, and more kind and thoughtful than other clans. They more often then not lay things down to help other clans. in the first arc, windclan was driven out of their territory, and it was Fireheart and Graystripe who had brought them back to their home from Brokenstar/tail's ruling of chasing them out.

both these clans were paired for a reason. shadowclan has been showed time and time again, to be seen as the "bad" clan, the disloyal and more destructive one, even if more stereotype then truth, because we know Brokenstar is a big reason at the time.

riverclan, although not horrible, were clearly more hostile of Thunderclan.

Tigerstar ruled tigerclan, Firestar ruled Lionclan. I feel like Firestar throughout this story has to represent more of the lion, like how he looks in his reflection in the water, (and in the original cover of the darkest hour.)

He's almost like Lionheart's second life.

Tigerclan represents the ways of Tigerstar, vicious, power hungry.

Lionclan represents more of the ways of Firestar, loyal and justice.

I always felt as though, in a way, Lionheart was representing Lionclan, the way Tigerstar reflected the Tigerclan.

Tigerclaw was at first expecting to be deputy at first, before it was given to Lionheart. Tigerclaw and Lionheart I feel, are definitely representing something against each other, and I would REALLY love it that was stretched farther.

Tigerclaw, who uses his claws, and lionheart, uses his heart, is another way to look at it.

In the end, I really just always thought it would be better if Lionheart was Firestar's mentor through Starclan, even at his fast death. It reflects Firestar so much, and would've been at his side to show him to always do what is right for his clan, not what will only benefit himself, or drag others down.

Spottedleaf is cool, I get it, she's a medicine cat, she gives prophecies, but I don't think she did much. Spottedleaf could've given the prophecy, but didn't need to be as big of a point. She could've been another cat who was there to mentor Firestar in Starclan, but I wish that main role was given to Lionheart.

Anyway, that was my TED talk. Goodbye :3

This has apparently been a controversial take, however I fully believe that Mapleshade deserved her Dark forest ending. I want to start by saying she is my absolute favorite villain, simply a tragic story of a broken mother.

Spoilers ahead (never learned how to do the spoiler warning apologies): Mapleshade's Vengence did not set her up for a good redeeming story which is honestly what I was hopeful for. I wanted her character to be tragic, and to a degree she is. Her choices however were her's alone and she continued to make every wrong choice possible.

When first being questioned about her expecting kits, she never once corrected them on who the father would be. Even if she did not want to say they were fathered from Riverclan, she could have denied that they belonged to the DECEASED SON of the CLAN LEADER killed specifically by the cat who did father her kits. That imo is strike 1. She could have said literally anything else and it could have altered her story.

When facing her banishment from Thunderclan, she acknowledged the river was too high. She knew this. She still CHOSE to take herself and her kits across the river, while she herself had very little swimming experience. She could have chosen to wait until the river was down or hidden herself away. Every choice she made directly lead to her fate, absolutely NO ONE forced her to lie, no one forced her to choose the path she took. Her actions determined what path would be available to her. She was selfish.

TL/DR: Mapleshade deserved the dark forest. She made every wrong choice that would inevitably lead to the death of her and her children. Wonderful villian, she does not deserve redemption.

So, I’m on The Broken Code, almost finished with Lost Stars and it just dawned on me how damned old Mistystar must be, yet Greystripe is acting as old as the dog from Barnyard. And Bramblestar sounds so much older than all of them. Is there any reason to this? Mistystar is older than Greystripe. She was a warrior before him in the first series. I know there are more examples, they are just escaping me. Oh, and last question here, where is Leopardstar when Starclan gets together? Did the writers just pull a Akira Toryiama and forget about her??