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If we expect others to examine their behavior and strive for a more just world, we should be willing to do the same 💛
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If we expect others to examine their behavior and strive for a more just world, we should be willing to do the same 💛

Fellow solarpunks, I’m not here to speak from a moral high ground. I was a meat eater for most of my life, and I’m not trying to force my values on anyone. This infographic isn’t really about my values – it’s about values most of us already share. I just think it’s important to reflect on whether our choices align with them.

Let's be honest to each other and and keep it civil ✌️

For more info on each point and links to sources, see this article

u/VarunTossa5944 — 2 days ago

What makes Veganism ethical?

Firstly, I'm just looking for Socratic duscussion, on Reddit of all places. You're welcome to insult me if the post offends you. This post isn't a personal vendetta against Veganism. I understand not all vegans avoid meat for ethical reasons.

In my veiw eating meat is fine because you don't kill anything. The vegan response is typically along the lines of 'you are paying someone to kill the animal, so it's abetting. Would you like that done to you?'

Yes. You should be allowed to pay anyone to kill anything, because that doesn't force anyone to kill or make killing right.

Again: 'if paying hitmen is allowed, the world ends.'

That's a non sequitur. The mere possibility of hurting someone hurts no one. Your real fear—if I may be so bold—is suffering at the hands of a butcher. Nothing prior.

To those who believe in free will: explain how paying a butcher necesarily results in a murder; why he cannot simply walk away from money.

To those who do not believe in free will: we're of a similar mind. Free will is one of the silliest concepts man has created. Though the implication of no free will is that no one can truly be for their actions.

Not in the traditional sense. More on that if we get there.

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u/soapsilk — 5 days ago
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The Great Dilution: How the True Definition of Veganism Was Systematically Erased (1951–Present)

The Distortion of Veganism —
Veganism was defined by Leslie Cross in 1951 as "the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." The founders never redefined it. Everything that followed was distortion.

1953 — John Heron joins the Vegan Society. His first publication proposes a "three-fold approach" diluting veganism into health, spirituality, and animal concern equally.

1957 — Heron becomes president, calls a Special Members Meeting, and the definition disappears from the Constitution.

1960s — Jack Sanderson, editor of The Vegan and BBC face of the Society, recentres veganism from the animal to the practitioner — lifestyle, health, environmental stewardship. The victim disappears.

1971 — Frances Moore Lappé's Diet for a Small Planet reframes plant-based eating as resource efficiency. Feeding the world, not freeing animals.

1975 — Peter Singer's Animal Liberation replaces exploitation with suffering as the moral threshold. Use becomes acceptable if painless. Abolitionism quietly swapped for utilitarian calculus.

1979 / 1988 — A new group introduces a redefinition with three fatal insertions: "as far as is possible and practicable" (the escape clause), "cruelty to" alongside exploitation (welfarist dilution), and "benefit of humans, animals and the environment" (the triple bottom line).

1984 — Kathleen Jannaway founds the Movement for Compassionate Living. Compassion replaces emancipation.

1990s — Industry welfarism. "Humane" labels, certification schemes, market segments.

2010 — "Plant-based" corporate rebrand surgically removes ethical content.

2017 — Tobias Leenaert's How to Create a Vegan World makes incrementalism official. Exploitation reframed as a dial to turn down, not a wrong to end.

The animals cannot resist, testify, escape, or organise. They cannot read the redefinitions. They experience only the material consequence — while the movement above them argues terminology and congratulates itself on half-measures.
The animals were the only reason the word existed. The founders never redefined it. You are here to fix it.

u/ProfessorVegan — 3 days ago

Do you think if there are any reasons in which eating meat is justifiable? Is there anything such as "humane killing" or "ethical meat"?

I'm curious to know everyone's takes on this.
I've been vegetarian all my life and recently became vegan. No turning back fs.

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u/Own_Secretary_6042 — 2 days ago
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The Omnivore's Deception (2025) - my reading of the Introduction to this powerful book by philosopher John Sanbonmatsu

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u/toshibarot — 2 days ago
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Have u guys watched billie eilish's stories regarding animal exploitation in factory farms?

I wasn't her fan until this, I think we should support her as much as possible! First time seeing a celebrity be this vocal with her reach and fame despite the hate she is receiving!

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u/Own_Secretary_6042 — 6 days ago