r/PathologicalLiars

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Dating a pathological liar/serial cheater

One of the most destabilizing experiences has to be dating a compulsive liar who’s also a narcissist and a serial cheater. This is going to be a long story..

I matched with a guy on hinge that isn’t just in a different country— he’s on an entirely different continent. At first it was an honest mistake, my location automatically set to his country by default. But honestly? It became deliberate since I soon discovered that the guys there are more my type, looks wise at least. Generally I was aware that nothing serious would really come out of my matches considering the huge distance, but I decided to proceed anyway, just for funsies.

So, this guy, let’s call him Jace. He’s 5 years older but catches my attention immediately, something about his aura and spirit seemed bright and genuine, so naturally, I swipe right. We end up matching and talking a little bit, and one of the first compliments I ever gave this man was “you seem like an authentic person, I like that”. Call me gullible but his smile, his demeanor and the way he talked gave me that vibe. Little did I know.

A month passes. We have fun, we talk every single day, joke around, tease each other, learn about each other’s lives and interests. He has a stable government job, had worked abroad for a year as well, and is very big on traveling in general. He shares wholesome photos of him and his gay best friend that they took on their travels. How sweet, and let me add, the fact that he even has a gay best friend as a straight cis man? Green flags all around!We talk constantly and the usual love-bombing shit unavoidably happens as well as him starting to tease the idea of him visiting me in my home country. Or asking me to come to his as a joke, like all the time. I’m still carefree at that point, very detached, not even sure I’m feeling this guy to the fullest since I’m highly conscious of the love-bombing he’s doing and he’s on the other side of the planet. Also, I find out that his mother has died from cancer and that his parents were divorced and had him very young, his dad has remarried and he has half siblings.

Suddenly as time passes he tells me “I think I want to focus on us, I’m deleting hinge”. He seems very much like the type that wants to settle down and form a genuine bond with a girl so I am thinking like “oh, I wasn’t going to but since you’re doing it, I’ll turn my visibility off as well”. I believe him.

Two months later, after we had called for the first few times and heard each other’s voice in real time, and played video games together, we make it official. Mind you Jace’s instagram was very lowkey, not a lot of followers, and he only made a few annual posts when he travelled. He isn’t the type to be partying or clubbing, only casual hangouts with friends, going bowling, for brunch, that type of stuff. Due to my trust issues from a previous situationship I do end up asking him about a few girls he follows while we are together and making it clear I’m not comfortable with that, but he reassures me and is actually very patient with me. So I believe him again.

One day he seems more inactive and tells me that 3 of his relatives were in a car accident and passed away. I am shocked, I ask to find out more and give him my condolences. He says he doesn’t really want to talk about it right now and he needs some time to grieve and be by himself and his family, like a day or two . I respect his wishes and I believe him. I have second thoughts actually, but I’m like the fuck, his relatives just died, this is very much real, don’t be suspicious. When he comes back, a day later, we have a heartfelt talk, he’s not really willing to give out lots of information about the accident though. If I remember correctly, he told me that his dad cried and it was the first time he saw him cry. We end the conversation by him telling him he loves me for the first time.

We move on and now he insists on coming to me before the new year comes. I told him that while I completely understand his enthusiasm and I am dying to see him as well, considering that he would be staying at my place, I’m just simply not comfortable with that yet and need a little bit more time. Also, I suggest that he sleeps at a hotel or books an Airbnb for the first few nights, just to make me feel a bit more comfortable, safe and warm up to him. I mean, it’s only natural that with everything happening, I wouldn’t want to have to be forced to share a bed with a man I just laid eyes on for the first time on that day, and who might be a potential rapist or murderer for all I know. I trust him, but I need to be safe. He seems reluctant but he understands and says he respects it. When I tell him he sounds unsure he even says some shit like “yeah of course, I’m doing what you asked so I can accommodate to your needs” which was such an understanding and such a textbook “perfect” response that only chatgpt could have generated it. I have second thoughts again because while he was supposedly respectful about it, it seemed hasty and something in my stomach did not feel right. I think “okay, if he just wants a hookup overseas, he’ll get tired of waiting eventually, time will show what his true intentions are”.

Apart from that all is well, daily communication and weekly calls continue. It was a bit of a difficult period ,though, as my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer the first few months of us talking. But luckily her optimism and the doctors’ kept me going. I have a good support system by my side anyway since when I open up to Jace he tells me he knows exactly what that feels like, and that I can talk to him. Remember, his mom had cancer too.

Suddenly, February comes. Jace has decided that he’s bored of his job and wants something bigger for himself, that earns him more money. I mean, even when we play games he tells me “I wish I could buy us a house, get you pregnant and have you not work”. So, he decides to get a master’s degree in law and he starts preparing for a test he has to take for that to happen. Even has the textbooks and shows me some of the prompts and exercises and we talk about them together. I like how our conversations usually kept me on my toes, he challenges my brain to think and defend my opinions because we would debate about things often. However, it usually leads to him saying we have different opinions and we can agree to disagree which is something dismissive lowkey to me and I tell him so. He is very opinionated and has this need to be right. I find it cute since I’m the same way, anyway. We also watch videos on YouTube together, loyalty tests and other stuff of that nature. I find it entertaining, plus he seems very much against cheating according to his commentary.

His account on Instagram gets hacked and he shows me a notification of someone trying to enter from a different country. His ig is down and he doesn’t want to make a new acc so we just text on iMessages like we did anyway at that point.

But suddenly one day he left me on delivered much longer than he ever would usually. I had asked him if he wanted to call that same Saturday . He replied the next day with “good morninggg yess of course”. Then two hours later he abruptly broke up with me, said he’s depressed and needs to focus on himself, yada yada yada. Wishes me the best. I asked him why and whether I did something wrong. He doesn’t reply.

The next few days (which was EXAM period for me btw and he knew this) was difficult for me. I had to come to terms with the idea that this man that I loved and had grown attached to ( for almost 6 months!) ended up to be immature. He obviously must have decided that the distance was too hard on him, or potentially found someone else he liked. Not even mature enough to give me a better excuse or an honest explanation. But I still loved him and cared for him nonetheless and was hoping he was well.

I don’t know what came over me. I get this sudden urge to search him up on Reddit. And that is when, the web of his lies started unraveling. There is a whole ass thread on this guy (same name and last name) claiming he is a serial cheater, narcissist, a pathological liar, spreads stds KNOWINGLY, has sa allegations, has had a train ran on him, photoshopped std results. My whole world collapsed. I’m thinking “hey, it MUST be someone else”. And then I see his Instagram handle.

I try to sit with it for a few days. I dodged a huge bullet. I knew sick people existed, but I always thought I was far away from their reach. I crash out, I sent him a lengthy message and I end it with “I’m glad you didn’t get to touch me with those filthy hands, I’d need to burn my skin off”. No reply

My fbi mode activates even further. I start asking girls off Reddit and TikTok (because I discover there’s a tiktok about him too!!) for more information on him and to share their experiences. I wait a few days and I get no responses. I realize most of the accounts that had commented on the thread were created around the same time which was a lil sus. Then, I get a message from a girl that claims to be his ex’s best friend (this is the only ex he ever told me about). She starts telling me to be careful about what I believe online and that she checks on the thread from time to time. Her reasoning is that when a tiktok about him went viral a few years back, she said “I had actually thought this man might be the devil”. But his ex only had good things to say about him apparently.

That pushed me to make the stupid decision of texting him again and confronting him. I needed legitimate answers. He replies almost instantly and starts telling me his side . At first his whole stance was “I’ve dealt with with for a very long time, you can believe whatever you want about me, my parents and family know who I am” and “if I had actually raped people and spread stds I’d be in jail a long time ago”. As foolish as it sounds I had missed him and I wanted to believe he wasn’t the horrible person they painted him out to be in that thread. That it was all a lie. He pulled the most used card in the book and tried to blame this all on a crazy ex from his past, that he left her and she started spreading fake rumors. He told me he does think about me a lot and that he missed me, he apologizes for ending things the way he did. After we talk for a bit and I ask questions about it all he asks if I want to try again. I say I need to think about things and that I don’t trust him at all, and that trust needs to be rebuilt.

I was at my absolute lowest, and I desperately held onto the belief that my sweet boy would never do such a thing and that yes, indeed,a crazy ex that was just salty wanted to sabotage his next relationships. I wasn’t getting any answers from those girls either! And I tried reaching out on all possible platforms and accounts I could find. I was dedicated to finding the truth. So I stupidly gave him another chance to rebuild my trust and get me back.

Initially, he was an open book, answering every interrogation of mine and even sharing his location to prove his “loyalty” and “honesty”. A month later though, when I find out a relatively recent comment on TikTok and text the girl that made it, I got the confirmation I needed. Concrete proof of him cheating. The girl had taken pics of him holding their food by the door. I sent him screenshots of it, cursed him out saying he’s pathetic and tried calling him with of course, deafening silence from his side. A week later I get a cowardly text of him apologizing for avoiding me and telling me to “take care”. I’m guessing he just wanted a reaction or to ease his own conscience if he’s even capable of feeling guilt.

This was a truly eye-opening experience and if anyone has been through such a betrayal, they know what I’m talking about. It takes a different kind of strength to walk away when your heart is still trying to negotiate with the truth. You grieve a person you thought existed. As time passes, I slowly see all the times I was lied to and I put the pieces of the real story together. He built an alternate reality, using dead relatives, fake mirrored tragedies (cancer) to create a false sense of intimacy. I thank my lucky stars I never slept with this guy or got even more attached to him irl.

It’s been two months and I have found out that he has found a new girlfriend, a new victim to trick. He even went on a trip with her, introduced her to his dad and is really trying to sell that it’s real on social media. Oh yeah, he unblocked me on Instagram, just so I could see ;)

I’m feeling horrible that I’m not warning the girl but I don’t want to get involved with this sick individual in any way. I just know that if it were me I would wish someone told me. I just feel like it’s no use and he’ll brand ME off as the “crazy ex” that’s stalking him, even if I text her anonymously . I hope she finds out the truth, and soon. What else can I do?

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u/rarity6 — 1 day ago
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Am I insane or Am i getting manipulated…….

At every job there’s always one person you’re destined to clash with. In this case it was jamie. Jamie was dating another coworker named Jeremiah. Besides the point…. just about all of us clashed with her some more than others but we definitely didn’t get along. As the week went on people were starting to be more verbal to jamie telling her to basically buzz off and I can admit some things definitely got out of hand. She told our boss she was being bullied and i don’t tolerate bullying but sometimes in the moment you forget how much things can affect people.

Individual meetings started to be held our boss called us in as groups of 2 but not all at once. “The bullying of Jamie has gotten absolutely out of hand and I won’t have it.” Me and the girl who got called in agreed and said we would comply. Our boss told us the bullying was so out of hand the the girl wanted to harm herself. We both instantly felt so sick I remember saying I need to throw up that’s horrible. Imagine being the person that had said such horrible things that someone wanted to end their life. I felt horrible I told my boss my parents absolutely raised me better than that and that it was horrible that only after hearing ab the attempt of harm that we would feel bad. Our boss also mentioned that they had a file of all the rude things that we had either said or done. I was too focused on the issue at hand that it slipped over my head. We have two bosses one is over the other and she said that one night she found jamie sobbing in her car and all the things we had said to jamie were absolutely horrible. I wasn’t working the night she was describing but I still listened. My main boss mentioned that jamie’s parents had called up to work threatening to sue everyone who had bullied jamie. Me and the girl in the meeting were okay to face the consequences of our actions. About five days ish go by……

We ask Jamie and Jerimahs best friend Peter how Jamie was doing he responded with what are you guys talking about she’s the happiest she’s been in a long time… obviously hearing that from peter was a shock because it had only been a couple days later it messed with my head all night. How could someone be the happiest they’ve been in a while but wanting to harm themselves, (want to quit their job forgot to mention ), have their parents call up to their work, cry in the car, have a file of the things that were done etc..

I finally decided to call Jamie and Jeremiah I wanted to hear myself that she was doing better and that everything was ok. I called and said hey something happened at work if this sounded accurate you don’t have to tell me if it’s to personal just want to know if your okay… i explain the story to Jamie and Jeremiah just like our bosses told us. After I ended it Jamie and Jeremiah were in such a state of shock. Jamie said yes i’m tired of all the drama at work but never would i ever try and harm myself over my job. …. In the moment i’m so confused because our bosses told us that she was trying to harm….. I said our boss told us your parents called up trying to sue about the situation. To which her and Jeremiah scream out “ WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT”. So once again my jaw drops i’m like this was a big deal I was crying and throwing up about the whole situation what do you mean your parents didn’t call? She tells me Nala i’m 24 why would my

parents be calling up to my job treating to sue for bullying i’m baffled at this point. She admits to me that her feelings were hurt and she did talk to our boss about it but she swears it was only like a 5-8 minute conversation and then it was done with. I then go on to mention the crying in the car… which you might’ve guessed it was another lie. She said she did cry once about work but it was when she got home. Our second boss had mentioned how horrible the day was when people were dog piling Jamie but gave no details about it. Jamie told me that our second boss told them she was tired of how people were treating jamie and jamie tried to ask our boss what was said and she wouldn’t budge. I then went on to ask ab the file that they had on the coworkers and jamie told me that they had nothing because everything had been verbal. But that both of our bosses asked Jamie and Jeremiah for any proof of the coworkers doing anything to essentially “frame us”. I ended up telling jamie how awful it was that she would out her business despite it not being true if someone’s ever struggling with harm that’s their business and not for the coworkers to be debating about. She agreed and said she overall just felt more stupid than helped and that it escalated the situation more than anything. She thanked me for reaching out and I thanked them for being honest and helping and they the bullying is something that never should’ve happened in the first place.

I told their higher up today about everything that happened and currently waiting for what’s to come

Im back……. I get called into the office w the higher up and my boss. As soon as I walk in the higher up goes the disrespect to your boss is insane she said it’s been 10 minutes and you and your boss haven’t exchanged words I find it disrespectful . I said “ I didn’t think we were on talking terms” Oh since when my boss said since when you called my higher up on the phone??! I’m just sitting in a state of shock i’m getting sold out and mind you i’m best friends with the higher ups daughter…….. She’s screaming at me stop sticking your nose in places it doesn’t belong yall have a huge group you bullied jamie now yall are bullying me. Do you wanna know how I know that jamie wanted to harm herself she said and I said why??! Because Jeremiah told me in private that if jamie knew that he was the one who told her she’d break up with him. So in that moment I bring my guard down and apologize because what i’m hearing sounds believable I apologize blah blah. Things still aren’t sitting right w me after the meeting so I confront the best friend be real with me let me know. He said yo me this is the most insane lie do you think jamie would know she’d want to end her life. I can’t tell if i’m being manipulated by my boss and my world was spinning shortly after the meeting we got assigned with a 30 task long task list that consisted of scrub the walls with a toothbrush basically and we couldn’t sign off on it our other boss had to inspect it and sign off on it.

Well today one of our friend coworkers gets fired… mind you this coworker is working with her bf and her sister…. they pull her into the office bc jamie originally filed on this coworker 2–3 weeks ago but they fire her because someone wanted to end their life. She said she got a phone call Monday and she investigated the issue thought she resolved it and then she said she got another phone call today. I’m the monday phone call so now we’re stuck investigating who the second phone call was help.

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u/princesspeach13480 — 2 days ago

Pathological liars, what goes through your head when someone confronts you about your lies with concrete evidence?

I have an ex best friend who used to lie about all sorts of things. She lied about some pretty serious things like terminal illness, ab**se, and a bunch of other big and small things. I confronted her twice about some of the lies and she seemed so calm that I couldn’t tell what was going on in her head. She obviously denied everything but provided absolutely no evidence to back up her claims. I moved on after the first confrontation and let things go thinking that now that she knows I know, she won’t lie to me again. But then it kept happening again. And after the second confrontation, I just stopped talking to her. However, I’ve always wanted to know how she had such a calm demeanor after being presented with a mountain of evidence against her. I was her closest friend. We grew up together. But she never even tried to salvage the friendship.

So, I guess my question to all the pathological liars of Reddit is, what are you going through on the inside when you’re confronted about your lies with undeniable evidence?

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u/Affectionate_Note445 — 7 days ago

I think my friend is a pathological liar and idk what to do

Hi guys for context im 16 and my friend is also 16 I make this post to ask for advice.

Also English isn't my first language so im sorry if there are some mistakes

We have been friens for about 1,5 years so a couple of moths ago i started noticing her lying about the smallest and most randoms things and i told this other friend of ours and she has know her for a long time an she said she has also noticed i am going to sum up some lies

-She claimed to have English roots and that English is her mother language even though we live in Belgium and het English isn't great. Like I am talking beginner level mistakes.

-She claimed to have made out with a guy she does gymnsatics with but her story just doesn't add up. When I asked to many questions (politly ofc) she got irritated at me and said "you are just jealous bc u are the last one who hasn't kissed anyone yet" for reference im not and even if i was who cares

-She claimes to be dyslectic and then she complains teachers don't give her extra help but when me and my friends told her we could talk to the teacher togethezr she chickened out so I don't think she is dyslectic. She only metiones this when she has bad on a test apperantly because of her dyslectia.

-We were at this sweet sixteen and she (again) claimed to have kissed this guy who was interested in another friend of ours (M) but everyone who was at the party can confirm this did not happen. Her story also keeps changing first it was almost kissed and then later it became kissed.

-She said she could only wear silver and gold jewelary bur then she bought cheap stainless steel earings and said her allergy went away but this isn't mediclt possible (I looked it up)

-I mentioned i was a big fan of this ban Smashing pumpkins and then she told me one of the members was related to her but when i asked wich one she couldn't even give me a name

I genuinly love this girl so much she is absolutaly amazing but I just wonder why she lies about these things and why she started to do this all of a sudden. The friend i told about it is a very confrontational person so she askes a lot of questions when she thinks this girl is lying and then she gets kind of irritated. I just hope someone can help me because i don't rly know what to do and cutting her of isn't rly possible bc we are in a friend group together. Thanks for reading I hope someone might have some tips or advice

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u/Antique_Aioli_1643 — 10 days ago