r/PWM_Sensitive

SPOKE TO A EYE DOCTOR ABOUT PWM, VERY INTERSTING CONVO! (PHONE MANUFACTURES TAKE NOTICE!

So i recently went to my eye dr and told him about how i was so annoyed with all this stupid PWM phones that have come out and how i cannot use any of them and his response was surprising.

He told me about one of his friends who did not have PWM sensitivity and how he bought a brand new car thats screen had pwm. Well eventually his friend developed pwm from the cars digital display and after a few months he had trouble using the car and even looking at his phone.

My eye dr is very specialised he is not the ordinary eye dr you can see in a shopping centre he is a eye specialist that charges a truck load to see but he is good. he said to me that all people are sensitive to pwm because of its flickering nature and not to believe only 30% is sensitive. He said with time everyone using a PWM phone will develop eye problems because of the way it affects the eye muscles. He also said if he had a dollar for everyone who came in complaining about eye strain from their phones he would be a millionaire lol.

He explained how the iphone 17 had a feature that was suppose to help PWM flicker but was not very effective and how samsung are trying to work on a phone now that is a OLED without PWM and that the PWM is becoming a real problem for everyone not just those who are sensitive, he said most people are having problems with PWM but they put the eye strain down to something else like their computer screen instead of the real culprit their phone.

His suggestion was to stay away from all PWM devices if i wanted to keep my eyes healthy and that these phone companies will have to find a work around sooner or later or the law suits would start piling up.

Hope this helps anyone feeling bad about not being able to use PWM phones.

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u/Practical-Run-4618 — 8 hours ago

Looking at the Motorola phones as a solution for being PWM sensitive, need advice

Hi all i have been using a iphone 7 plus for the longest time because PWM really messes with my eyes and gives me eye strain and headaches. I am looking at a new android phone and was wondering if any of the Motorola range are a good fit. Price is no object i just want something i can use cause i am so sick of being stuck on a old iphone. I was looking into the motorola phones because i heard they can disable PWM with flicker prevention. Also if there is any other mobiles you recommend i would be most grateful. I was either looking at a new android phone or maybe Apple watch ultra but i heard they use PWM too.

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u/Practical-Run-4618 — 10 hours ago

Current budget phone options? Don't do anything but browse, text, email, listen to music, and video call. Looking to spend $200ish and get a Full HD+ res screen and loudish audio speaker

I have the G stylus 5G 2023 but I think the battery has gone slightly puffy, or at least I don't remember the part of the back below the camera bump sticking out a mm or two when it was new.

I tolerate the screen well as long as I change some of the settings.

I noticed the newer models use OLED, so I'm not sure about those. I haven't tested an OLED screen for a very long time.

I don't use my phone much, so hoping to keep it to $200-300ish. Would like Full HD+ res screen and loudish audio speaker

Mediatek processor is a no go, sadly.

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u/DisasterSpinach — 20 hours ago

iPhone 17 Pro DC Dimming Aftermarket Display Success

I had success swapping out the OEM display on my iPhone 17 pro max with the AMPLUS aftermarket display by MobileSentrix to get rid of the nasty 480hz high modulation PWM!!!

I posted on forums online looking for mobile phone repair and someone had mentioned a dude named Zac who owns Quick PhoneShop in Punta Gorda, FL. I contacted Zac and explained that I need a very specific OLED panel. He mentioned that they had an XO7 panel and AMPLUS and I asked if there was a chance that I could just see the XO7 panel and test the PWM bands with my other phone before they seal it up and he said yes so I really really really appreciate him letting me do that.

The XO7 had 480hz PWM similar to the OEM display so they put on the AMPLUS and as expected, it had DC dimming! Another shop about a year ago had given me an XO7 (as I was told) by mobilesentrix on an iphone 14 pro max and that had DC dimming however when I tried on the 16 pro max and 17 pro, both XO7 were NOT dc dimmed anymore.

I will say, the headaches and eye strain are significantly reduced to the point of the phone being usable as a daily driver but there is some very mild discomfort. The display has a mild green tint but otherwise has fantastic colors and brightness is very good. The interesting thing is if I set the "disable pwm" option in accessibility settings to on, it seems to INCREASE the modulation and the black line gets thicker. I will do more testing to see which is more comfortable.

In the meantime I am so glad I am able to have a usable 17 pro and again huge freaking thanks to Zac for being patient with me through all of this and letting me test the different displays before committing to installing it. As of right now the only confirmed one with the DC-like dimming is the AMPLUS.

I asked Zac if he would be willing to do installs for people who wanted to mail in their devices and he said he would be happy to and confirm with his phone that they do in fact have the DC dimming before mailing it back. If anyone wanted to get this done, just call their shop and ask for Zac Quick PhoneShop - (941) 655-6681

I will try to get some photos up later as well of the thicker bands when I use the display pulse smoothing feature in accessibility settings!

u/LoseWeightEatPizza — 2 days ago
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Best "low or no PWM" televisions; What do you use? (Plasma, HDTV, CRT, OLED, 4KTV, etc)

Any recommendations? Ty :)

u/CounselMe2Day — 4 days ago

PWM effet

Bonjour tout le monde, j’utilisais un iphone15 pendant deux an et j’ai eu des maux de tete douleur aux yeux, ( je suis en + sous tramadol 300mg pour autre chose) , je voulais savoir quel effets le PWM vous fait et est-ce que rester à l’iphone 11 est parfait pour notre santé ? . En combien de temps apres deux an d’iphone 15 on peut guerir complement des symptomes du PWM svp?

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u/East-Dirt-7040 — 15 hours ago
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Are you using a MacBook Pro with Apple silicon?

Your laptop screen may be flickering constantly. You probably can’t see it, but your eyes may still react to it, which can lead to faster eye fatigue or eye strain.

Why does this happen? Apple uses PWM — pulse-width modulation — to control screen brightness. In simple terms, the display rapidly flickers on and off to manage brightness and power use. Even if the flicker is invisible to you, your eyes may still be exposed to it continuously.

And I’m not the only one noticing this. This video discusses the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHGKhFVdjlM

Almost no reviewers talk about it. Notebookcheck is one of the few sources that actually measures PWM:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-M5-2025-review-The-fastest-single-core-performance-in-the-world.1144391.0.html

What can you do?
Not much, unfortunately. If you feel eye strain, consider returning the device to Apple as soon as possible — Apple usually gives you a 14-day return window.

A safer option may be the MacBook Air, which uses a basic IPS LCD display and does not rely on PWM in the same way. Also be careful with Apple OLED devices, such as the iPad Pro, if you are sensitive to PWM.

u/DreamsAnimations — 10 days ago

Oled is the best is just hoax?

So like, I used to think oled screens are the best, for 10 years I used Galaxy s6, s8, s21

My s21 "flagship" started to fall apart, so I bought Motorola g56, thinking that it'll probably have worse screen

I was really surprised that the ips screen on it is razor sharp despite lower ppi, it's like putting your new glasses on your face or something, just very sharp

Also I noticed the colors are better, I feel like they don't hurt my eyes that much, Samsung was definitely way too oversaturated, it's kind of a bad thing

Blacks are too, surprisingly good, I couldn't care less about that true blackness of oled, when you never know if your screen is on or off sometimes anyway

Also it'll never burn it, don't have to care about running my phone or black/dark mode or leaving the gps for few hours

Also I noticed my eyes weren't hurting at all when using new phone, it's probably because that pwm flickering I think, I can finally use my phone without pain, I kept telling myself my pain is probably because staring at the screen on close range for hours a day, but I suppose I was wrong

Kinda sucks there's so many people like me before, trusting oled is the GOAT and not knowing why they feel pain when using phone for longer

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u/Fine_Shame_8694 — 5 days ago
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6 months in: Did the iPhone 17 work for you?

Hey all! Apple debuted the (hopefully first generation of) it's PWM accessibility toggle six months ago with the iPhone 17 line. It didn't do exactly what many were hoping for, but it did change some things, and I'm wondering how many people in this community are still able to use any iPhone 17 model today.

I've got the 17 Pro Max and only find it comfortable at 100% brightness with reduce white point enabled. Since I can't comfortably reduce the brightness without discomfort, the PWM disable toggle doesn't help me at all. Has anyone else has the same experience, or something entirely different?

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u/NSutrich — 3 days ago

Motorola G75 works, but the G57 Power doesn’t? Is that possible?

Hello, this is my first post here. Last year I bought a Motorola G75, but I returned it because I was bothered by its poor battery life and the lack of a headphone jack. However, I don’t recall having eye strain or headaches (or maybe I just didn’t pay attention to it?). Recently, I ordered the G57 Power, which according to the specs was supposed to be free of the G75’s drawbacks - and I was surprised: after only a short time of use, I started to feel eye pain and fatigue.

I was puzzled, because in theory the displays in both models are made using the same technology. I asked ChatGPT about it, but it replied that... the G75 has an LTPS display, while the G57 Power uses a “regular” IPS panel. I’m about 80% sure ChatGPT is hallucinating as usual, but maybe some of you have more information about display difference between these two models?

I’m now considering buying the G75 again, but I’m worried that this time I might experience unpleasant eye symptoms (sometimes I wonder how much of this is just autosuggestion...). I’d appreciate any suggestions from you

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u/nervous_breakd0wn — 2 days ago

Is the iPad air safe?

Looking to upgrade my 1st Gen iPad pro, iPad airs seem to be the highest spec model with the IPS display but I can't find much PWM information online about it. Has anyone tried it and can feedback their experience please?

I am specifically looking at the iPad Air M4.

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u/finiesta150 — 1 day ago

For very sensitive members do you have problem with IPhone SE 2022 or 2020 ? Because i want to buy one but if have problems cannot back here where i live

Im writing from iphone SE 1 😕 im very sensitive and from many lcd phones like realme redmi iphone 11 etc but im in dilemma between Ipsone SE 2022 and one iphone XR .

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u/dran112 — 3 days ago

What is the best iPhone in the last 5 years for PWM + Screen Sensitivity ?

I know iPhones aren’t typically the best but I am not a fan of Android at the moment. Any recommendations for the best iPhone in the last 5 years that’s easy on the head and eyes for Screen + PWM Sensitive Folk ? Thanks so much!

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u/bbm8te — 3 days ago

I’ve been having issues with flickering ever since I tried my first OLED phone (ASUS Zenfone 7 Pro). Even back then there was already this cemented idea that OLED is something premium, part of the flagship experience, and IPS is for budget phones. People genuinely formed this impression because OLED was being pushed specifically into flagships.

What a FUCKING surprise I got with my new Lenovo Y700 on Snapdragon 8 Elite with an IPS display. Feels like everyone got played — sold a piece of shit that ruins people’s lives and has zero serious advantages.

Blacks are less black, viewing angles are slightly worse? Sure. Does that affect the gaming or everyday experience IN ANY WAY? Absolutely zero fucks given. Genuinely. Super vibrant, high quality display, 165Hz, I don’t feel any difference from OLED whatsoever.

It’s just incredibly frustrating that everyone had bullshit shoved in their ears, and where on computers people are totally fine with IPS, on smartphones it somehow becomes a problem, and these idiots are now yelling at Lenovo for their IPS demanding they get OLED instead. Just clowns.

I get that you don’t give a shit and don’t care about the 1–2 out of 10 people who will suffer both before and after buying. But with your idiocy you’ve literally stripped people of choice — now there’s simply no way to buy a flagship with IPS. And it’s LITERALLY no worse, I confirmed this personally

u/absorbere — 13 days ago

I don’t know if I have this

But my phone updated on its own and I cannot stand the new update it’s truly awful and makes me feel sick? Or a little dizzy it’s just not as enjoyable to use I wish I could un update!

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u/sadgirl45 — 6 days ago

I got an M4 MacBook Air (13") and it just completely messed up my eyes. At first, I thought it was because of poor quality sleep, but as soon as I stopped using it the symptoms went away even with no change to my sleep. I don't seem to get any issues using any sort of Windows laptops with an LCD screen, whether matte or glossy.

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u/Easy_Ear1543 — 9 days ago