ONE PIECE Chapter 1181 — Hints
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u/MuriloZR — 5 hours ago
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Schrödinger's Break
TL;DR: There is no break next week, but there is a break next week, so there may be early spoilers because of it
u/MuriloZR — 6 hours ago
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You think we are gonna see this match up before we leave elbaph?
I know someone probably speculated this already.
u/Grouchy-While9151 — 10 hours ago
I feel like the obsession with powerscaling has ruined how we enjoy the story
Does it **really** matter at every instance how **strong** an individual character is?
What happened to actually appreciating the structure of the story, unraveling the lore?
Powerscaling isn’t linear, yet people try to focus on certain characters and it’s honestly just brain rot.
I just keep getting tired of seeing these kind of individuals who only care about the **”strength”** of their favourite character in comparison to the rest of the verse.
u/IncessantRains — 18 hours ago
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The red line must be destroyed
Imu is connected to the red line, since being away from it for too long hurts him for some unknown reason. I think it’s Pluton that must tear it down once the war commences, greatly weakening imu and helping to defeat him. Just my theory anyways
u/Intelligent-Squash-3 — 5 hours ago
Nika true awakening is coming.
I believe in his fight with Imu luffy will push himself harder than he ever did while in g5.
But something inside of him will break as he begins to change form as Imu begins to panick.
Luffy will become nika not just the nika user.
Back in his fight with kaido when he was analysing Luffy he asked him who he was to which Luffy says he’s Luffy.
Kaido seemed pleased by this answer.
Implying it might be a case Luffy would not be him anymore.
Oda also stated zoan users can lose themselves to the fruit’s will like the jailer beast guards.
This I think will happen where nika is unleashed and similar to how houses and trees began to sing upon Imu arrival.
We will see giants begin to laugh uncontrollably like users who ate a smile fruit.
This won’t save the day fully it will push Imu back but will backfire as now the straw hats have to stop luffy who is becoming to chaotic causing damages to both sides
u/MrBushido56 — 18 hours ago
The Redline in the last chapter (1180)
In this panel, when Imu leaves the Holy Land/Redline, something weird seems to happen in the last 2 Panels
I have the feeling that Imu‘s curse (having to stay in the holy land) has something to do with the redline „activating“ and becoming the Red Serpent? The monster from the tale…
the Elders even say theres nothing anyone can do.
I know it‘s a common theory, but this seems like an obvious Clue, what do you guys think?
u/4fuggin20 — 1 day ago
Everything You Need to Know About Nerona Imu - A Mega Post
Intro
After 250+ chapters – eight years of real time – we finally got the BIG reveal of Imu’s appearance aaand… it’s pretty much what we expected it to be: Imu is One Piece’s version of “the Devil”.
There was always a bit of a dilemma – at least for me – If Imu is meant to represent God, or the Devil, but his appearance – that of the classical depiction of the Devil – alongside his “The Devil’s Fruit”, now makes it pretty clear.
In fact, I think we all low-balled just how strong the Devil influence would be, because Imu straight up is just Satan a.k.a. Lucifer.
Alexandre Cabanel - Fallen Angel
While his appearance doesn’t tell us the full story, the last time I wrote about Imu, we didn’t even know what he looks like. Now that we do, I think we can piece together the information we have so far in one piece through John Milton’s epic poem, by the name of…
Paradise Lost
“Paradise Lost is an epic poem about the biblical story of the fall of man: the temptation of Adam and Eve by the fallen angel Satan and their expulsion from the Garden of Eden. At the center of the story are the themes of free will and the moral consequences of disobedience, addressing questions of predestination, human agency, and the nature of good and evil.”
You might be thinking that this seems random: why would this book specifically have anything to do with One Piece? But Oda is a well-known book nerd, and no stranger to using famous literary classics as inspiration for his own story.
From the names of Whitebeard’s ship (Moby-Dick), Doflamingo’s family name (Don Quixote), to the Fishman Island arc being Oda’s take on Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas, and the entire premise of One Piece being the same as that of Around the World in Eighty Days, you can see Oda incorporate some of the most famous literary stories into his own.
You can already recognize the similarities in the themes explored in both One Piece and Paradise Lost (specifically, the “free will” and “human agency”), but what I want to draw attention to is the obvious “biblical influence” surrounding Imu, as well as the latest few arcs of One Piece.
We’ve had things like Treasure Tree Adam and the Sunlight Tree Eve for quite a while now, which are obviously referencing the aforementioned Adam and Eve, and the giant ship Noah, which is a reference to Noah’s Ark. But this goes way further – back to the first time the Straw Hats set foot in Grand Line. To avoid simply listing every single reference, I will stick to what is important.
The (Mu’s) World
Several times throughout the story, Imu is referred to as “the World”, by a couple of different characters (Rocks and Blackbeard Pirates).
To our understanding this is because Imu is – not only the ruler, but also “the creator” (another thing he is referred to as) of this world; and Imu is aiming to change his creation by the means of sinking (flooding) it. We are assuming this to be the case because Imu states his (Mu’s) world is “incomplete”.
This is interesting because the name of the first part of the Grand Line is called “Paradise”, which is self-explanatory as to what it references, while the second one is called “The New World”. What’s additionally interesting about this naming is that “Paradise” is writen in katakana as “Paradaisu”, after the English world itself (and not something like “Tengoku”), while the New World is in Japanese as “Shinsekai”.
To me, this is clearly a reference to Paradise Lost: Satan gets banished from the titular Paradise after his loss in battle with God and, sometimes later, decides to corrupt the “new world” created by God through the corruption of Adam and Eve.
Grand Line’s Paradise represents the “old world” that existed before the creation of the Red Line, while the New World represets, well, the “new world” created after the Grand Line’s separation by the Red Line.
I know there is a long running debate if the Red Line is a natural or artificial creation, and by no means is it confirmed that it’s artificial, but there is a lot of evidence supporting this notion, and it’s pilling on. This is the “Imu’s world”.
The question is why? What is Imu’s goal and why does he want to change the world?
Better to Reign in Hell than Serve in Heaven
When Imu “descends” on Elbaph, he can be seen coughing blood, and clearly in pain. Now, this could be simply due to overexertion – maybe teleporting himself takes a lot of energy and effort; or maybe he is simply sick/wounded. However, the language used by the Gorosei, paints a completely different picture.
Gorosei explicitly said that “descending to the lower world” will have consequences on Imu, implying the mere act of going “down/lower” will somehow harm him, which we see is true when he spits blood.
This is from the OFFICIAL translation of Chapter 1179
The specific wording used for the Chapter title, “descends”, is clearly meant to evoke the imagery of God, or rather an Angel, descending from Heaven (which is how the place where the Celestial Dragons live is referred as). And the usage of “lower”, points towards the altitude having significance. It seems clear that being at low altitude, closer to the sea, physically harms Imu, which is why he lives so high up on the Red Line.
The entire purpose of rising the sea level is an effort to “terraform” the Blue Planet to make it more hospitable for Imu, and that is the reason why “Mu’s World” is not yet complete.
Why does the Blue Planet’s climate harm one of its inhabitants? It’s because Imu is not one of them. Imu is not of this planet…
The Moon
Many have drawn comparison between Imu’s appearance and Hagoromo Otsutsuki from Naruto, and I believe this is intentional by Oda. Not because I think he wants the readers to draw comparison between the two characters, but instead where they come from: the Moon (Space).
Both Imu and Hagoromo seem to take inspiration from the same source – they are these otherworldly, alien figures, and it shows in their designs. On his body, Imu has something resembling the Eye of Rah/Horus (a.k.a. Wedjat-eyes), on the back of his palm, but also these angular lines mixed with circular spots that resembles a circuit board, mixing up the elements of supernatural (Egyptian mythology) and science-fictional (“alien” technology).
Now, One Piece is no stranger to aliens: Skypieans, Birkans and Shandians are all confirmed to come from the Moon, and we even have other type of aliens in Enel’s Cover Story.
There are even theories that Lunarias come from the Moon, due to their namesake (Luna = Moon). However, we need to think BIGGER – further, because I believe Lunarians, and Imu, come from outer (deep) space (it would explain the advance technology said to be used by the Ancient Kingdome).
There has been some debate if Imu’s dark skin color, mixed with the white hair, is because he is a Lunarian, or simply due to his “The Devil’s Fruit” making his skin red (which shows as dark gray in black and white format). I, however, am positive, regardless if his skin color is red or brown, that he is indeed a Lunarian, or related to Lunarians (e.g. Imu is the progenitor of the races on the Blue Planet, and is to Lunarians what Ancient Giants are to Giants).
The reason for this is two-fold:
First, the less important one is that in the 1000+ Chapters of the Manga, King, a Lunarian, is THE ONLY character to ever be drawn using a different shade for his skin.
The shade varies depending on the scan quality, but King is indeed a darker shade than other characters.
Not even the brightly colored Oars (Red) and Oars Jr. (Yellow) were shaded differently.
This is mostly because Oda has stated that using shaders is time consuming and hard. The only other example of Oda using shaders is for Shanks’ red hair (I guess now Shamrock, as well).
The other reason is a much more important one: a big part of the Devil’s lore is that Lucifer/Satan is seen as a Fallen Angel (in Christianity and Islam).
The Fallen Angel, Imu
Lunarians are very obviously meant to be One Piece’s representation of Angels – Seraphs (or Seraphim), to be more precise: the highest order of Angels, known as “the burning ones”.
Angels (Middle), Seraphim (Right), Cherub (Left): Byzantine Orthodox Art
The Warlords clones (SSG), which incorporate Lunarian DNA/Lineage factor in their creation, are even called Seraphim, after the very angels they are meant to embody.
Usually, when Lucifer gets banished from Heaven, he also symbolically, and quite literally, loses his angel wings. We can even briefly see Imu seemingly “growing” wings when he is about to teleport to the surface, and again we can fully see them in Chapter 1180.
Additionally, Gunko grows a pair of bat-wings when she gets possessed by Imu.
The ring with eyes on Imu’s back also looks similar to Ophanim a.k.a. wheels a.k.a. “the many-eyed ones”: the Angels second closest to God. As their name suggests, they take an appearance of wheels with many eyes, similarly to Imu’s “halo”.
Back when Luffy’s real fruit was yet to be revealed, I theorized that Enel was attempting to emulate Son God Nika, due to his “final form” resembling the so-called “Wisdom King” (it’s how Hyougorou called Luffy’s Gear 4th form).
The idea was that Enel, being the explorer he is, learned a lot about the unknown history, and the involvement of the mythical figure known as the Sun God, and then tried to emulate him. After all, Enel has a tiny bit of a God Complex. However, with Imu in the fray now, it seems way more likely that he was trying to emulate Imu.
Enel is a Birkan who removed his wings (for yet unknown reason) and in their stead put a ring/circle with drums that have Tomoe on them. This ring/circle resemble the one Imu has.
If you really want to push it, and evoke the Naruto comparison, the Tomoe drums could be a representation of the eyes that Imu has on his ring, since that is what Sharingan is in Naruto.
Reading about a God from olden times – a possible Lunarian who had his wings clipped and in their stead put this circle with eyes on it, might’ve inspired Enel to do the same.
What Is The Giant Shadowy Form I?
I’ve seen some confusion regarding the giant, shadowy form Imu assumes during Sabo’s confrontation in the Throne Room. If Imu ate “the Devil’s Fruit”, and assumed the humanoid form we see him in, then what was this all about?
This is because the Devil takes many forms:
- Although he is not named specifically in the Book of Genesis, Satan is often identified as the serpent in the Garden of Eden.
- In the Book of Revelation, Satana appears as a “Great Red Dragon”
- In the Quran, Iblis (Shaitan), the leader of the devils (shayāṭīn), is made of fire.
- Satan's appearance is never described in the Bible, but, since the ninth century, he has often been shown in Christian art with horns, cloven hooves, unusually hairy legs, and a tail, often naked and holding a pitchfork. These are an amalgam of traits derived from various pagan deities, including Pan, Poseidon, and Bes.
- Satan also frequently appears in Christian literature, most notably in Dante Alighieri's Inferno, where he is depicted as a giant, three-headed beast.
The point is that, due to the nature of the Devil, we can expect Imu to take many forms, and the one we currently see him in is only one of them.
Imu's Magic
Lastly, we have Imu's abilities. I won't dwell too much on it as I have seen a lot of people already cover this. In short, the hand-signs that Imu use when casting "Omen" are called "Mudra" ("seal", "mark", or "gesture"): a symbolic or ritual gesture or pose in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism.
What I do want to dwell on is that I believe this power – this ability – does not come from Imu's Devil Fruit. I believe that magic is real in One Piece's world, and that Imu is one of the rare people that knows how to use it. After all, multiple people seem to know what a "magic circle" is when Imu casts his spells.
Maybe he combines it with the power of his Devil Fruit for the abilities we see him use, but I do think magic is something others can use as well. It's about time for Oda to introduce a new ability...
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u/D-Biggest_Wheel — 1 day ago
Chapter 1180 Imu and Loki doodles without eraser
I like to draw characters without an eraser to challenge myself a bit.
My last post wasn’t deleted so I guess it is ok to post this here.
Same as with chapter 1179 I had the need to draw Imu and the big panel with Loki tickled me the same way.
I am used to draw small so having to go big to get all the details in was an extra challenge for me and I wasn’t planning on shading Loki but it looked like dogshit so I quickly did that.
But overall I am happy with how it turned out.
Let’s hope we get to see them go at each other next chapter and not Chopper looking after Zoro and Gerd followed by 20 reactionshots or some shit.
u/53t6du69j6cs65 — 1 day ago
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Possible explanation for Imu's Amnesia
Event
In Elbaf, Imu, possessing Gunko, learned that Elbaf has no king thanks to Sommers, so he tried to make Dorry and Broggy the new kings of Elbaf. However, when Imu descended, he asked who is the King of Elbaf in which he got the same reply from Dorry and Broggy which is there is no King of Elbaf.
Explanation - Im using Lord of the Mysteries to explain this phenomenon so spoilers ahead
>!I think forgetting what happened when he merged with gunko while in his "hybrid" form is actually following a certain trope that I saw from a different light novel called lord of the mysteries (LOTM). In LOTM, a character who uses his clones to possess things (anything really) which similar to Imu. However, the character's true body is not knowledgable about what his clones experience so he has the clones write notes so the main body or a different clones know what happened. My guess is the same. My guess is that Imu sends out a clone to possess his subordinates body through a contract; however, he does not know what is truly going. Which is why Imu uses his subordinates to explain to him what is going on. !<
Remember this, Imu was in contact with the gorosei during the god valley incident so my guess is that Imu (true body) over heard the conversation as he was dealing with rocks.
This is just my hypothesis or explanation for Imu's amnesia.
u/N0t_DYST1 — 21 hours ago
Chapter 1181 Predictions Post
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u/MuriloZR — 2 days ago
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imus devil fruit is beyond awakening
i believe that there is a step beyond awakening, and we have seen imu use it.
awakening is defined as when the souls of the devil and the user become close and resonate in a way that allows the user to extract all the potencial abilities and moves out of that fruit. for a zoan that would be to take for himself the atitudes and fighting style of the animal you can turn into.
but awakening is only refering to the powers and abilities granted by the fruit.
vegapunk talks as if the fruits are created by human desires and discards the idea of there beeing a devil inside the fruit, but if in fact there is a entity with a soul inside the fruit that would mean that its possible to use the soul energy of that devil to produce haki.
the next evolution for luffy would be to be able to use a 4th type of haki that cant be learned by humans that dont have devil fruits and because of how rare awakening is, probably no one has even though about using it because they dont have any reference to learn from.
this comes from the fact that "omen" is a miss translation and the japanese word for it "maki" uses one of the same kanji as in "haki" but changes. basically changing soul power to devil power
u/_Cake_assassin_ — 1 day ago
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Has Oda turned a joke into reality or Imu’s design and features is somehow telling about his origins ?
u/Tidsdkr — 1 day ago
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possibility of imu having a full zoan form
even though its possible that imu doesnt have a devil fruit or has one that is outside all normal categories of devil fruits. i believe its possible that imu is shown in his hybrid form and not his zoan form.
imu and other characters share the symbology of the 3 skulls, wich we have only seen in 2 ancient giants, oars and oars jr, with oars having it on the belt just like tot music. i believe the3 skulls might imply some afinity with the devil or with one pieces view on the devil. part of the one pieces worls peoples imaginary that resulted in tot musica beeing created with those symbols and the devil devil fruit to also have those skulls.
but tot musica in his final form has 5 skulls, grows in size with black lunarian wings like the ones imu had in the last chapter and has multiple tentacle like hands like we have seen the shadow version of imu use. he even has a crown with eyes wich can paralel with imus halo of black flames and eyes.
i theorize that imu will show eventually a full zoan form were he turns into a full devil. bigger and more horns, multiple arms, flying flaming skulls, black wings and the size of a ancient giant.
possebly even something with multiple heads like the dragon of revelation
imu was shown to be human size in his human form, but now when transformed he is the size of a giant human like kaido or white beard. its possible that his full zoan form is the size of a giant or ancient giant. that would explain why rocks wanted a ancient giant with the niddhog devil fruit. that fruit when used on a ancient giant is useless against regular size humans because the user gets too big to even see the adversary, but its a perfect fruit to fight a very powerfull giant size enemy
u/_Cake_assassin_ — 1 day ago
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Imu and Loki
The offcial translation of Loki meeting Imu is actually so insane. Because what does Loki mean with "here in the real world"? Did he actually know about Imu? Does that mean Shanks told him about Imu maybe? Does Loki know the reason why Imu isn't normally in the "real world" but in the flower room?
u/Sensitive_Cat_4687 — 1 day ago
So... did Imu stop referring to himself in the third person? Let's see the official translation as well.
u/7thlHeaven — 2 days ago
Imu is hijacked by the awakened devil fruit
1.Its a devil fruit that rules the entire world, an awakened "devil" devil fruit.. somehow it can possess people. Especially the original 20 kings who made the world government. Maybe they got cheated or willingly made an agreement with the devil. Imu kept their bodies in some kind of dark dimension and thus appear as amalgamation of these bodies as a blob
In Gunko's case its only a half possession, maybe she didn't Fully give in . Anyway imu underestimated elbaf and sent gunko first, believing this half possessed vessel is sufficient to achieve goals. But the plan failed. Also notice her eyes changed and got wings and tail after the possession of imu
After the plan failed. Imu directly pulled up in Elbaf. But the cost is severe cant maintain the blob like body. Had to revert to a stored up body of an ancient king ( thats the lunarian figure in the latest chapter). And the imu (the devil fruit) had to transform a chakra made of black fire with eyes behind the new figure. Imo that explains why the memory lag and the new imu is acting weirdly unlike the blob or possessed Gunko.
My bet is the blob (awakened devil fruit) and the vessel the new imu are different entity
u/djinn_05 — 2 days ago
Interesting read
u/Previous_Break7664 — 2 days ago