r/ModernWarships

Hello there fellow captains and commanders! So recently I feel this game has lost its flair! This starterd with the fenice nerf! I feel very let down by the devs for their decision to nerf this helo. Its actually useless now! Instead of nerfing it they should just banned it from tournaments along with a multitude of other equipment thats constantly over used and abused! Now whats up with these trash rewards on the main event! Last month the 162D now this month the bofors! These are all cheap ineffective market Items! Why are they doing us dirty like this! Now the gacha P2W side has Cali cruiser while the drone battery side has this other gun which seems decent. But I feel like theres actually no point to participate in this even as ALL rewards are straight trash! The title sucks avatar is garbage we already have the stickers from BP I already had and sold that Bofors gun bc its ass! Now the California is a great ship and has solid stats same with sawtooth! So either way you have to spend money to get either of these 2 ships! Then 2 to 3 months later they nerf them! Also the leaderbord is the "SUCKER BOARD" in order to get a good avatar or title you basically have to be the biggest spender on the cargo one , now this event just started and people have already opened up over 2k cargo containers which(prob more by time of this posting) so basically gaijin is suckering all these people to spend money on just a title or Avatar that serves no point!!! I have realized the F2P community is DEAD!!! They say this game isnt P2W but it truly IS!! Oh and then the special camo bundle is garbage too another pay for camo! Im lost at this point because honestly I have kids bills work life and real world responsibilities I cant pay to play a game or spend all week grinding. . And now where im at in this game it seems as though the only way to progress now is by paying for every special item! Also the Market needs to be regulated the prices are out of control! Then they give you stupid rewards that you can only make a measely few hundred Art coins off! Honestly this game has lost its appeal to me. Theres really no way to make AC and what they give you during these events just inst enough! Sure you can sell BP ships but now youre down a possible good ship just to make a few k AC that you need to spend on equipment! They are actually extremely smart with how they set this game up so no matter what they constantly making money. OH and then the 20% tax for selling stuff on the market like really WTF! This game gives nothing but takes everything!! Also why cant you sell a gold ship or dollar ship??? If I dont use it no more whats the point. Maybe I need equipment from the shop but no I cant sell my ship I freaking stuck with it!!! Playing online or Ranked anymore just sucks as I said my time is valuable bc I have realworld responsibilities kids work mortgage to pay family to take care of. I just cant sit and grind all day!! Honestly Ranked sucks you have to buy protection and even if you win you loose that protection AND its only good for 1 game NO THIS IS BS should be good for 24hrs as is the countdown for when I buy it!!! I mean i use it for one game win ok great then next 2 games loose and get bumped down a rank!!! How can they say they are not a P2W game when everthing you do to advance or need to move up you have to pay for!!! Then the ships and equipment thats needs buffed gets overlooked and neglected WE ALL KNOW Basisty needs a BUFF on speed Devs know this but refuse to do anything about it!!! But bc some wallet warrior whale complains about fenice in tournaments they instantly nerf it!!! Bots can now flare and destroy the missiles on it! The solution to tournaments is simple Ban the use of certain equipment! SLBMs Fenice HyfFly2 nuke etc. But they make a decision that now affects everyone especially the F2P community then give out Trash ass rewards. As you can see im very frustrated but torn bc i really do enjoy this game! But its just not going the way I envisioned it! I had way more fun pl aying tier 2 as like a level 21. Now its just nothing but a let down. I just wanted to get this out bc idk how everyone else feels but I think I will hang on for a lil bit longer and maybe move on to another game!.

So, here's what I assume is the final list of all the rewards in this event, based on what we've got.

• Mi-8TV helicopter
• 100 Upgrade Points
• Smoke Screen x25
• 2 avatars, I guess
• Banned decal
• 200-2k gold
• 15 keys for the next event (IDK what that is though)
• UUM-125 Sea Lance
• Advanced Flares x50
• 200 Upgrade Points
• USS Jack H. Lucas (DDG-125)
• Upper Class camouflage

So now there will be no new item on events reward, means everything new is on gacha. And no ships in ranked store for months. Cause this happened on their anniversary day, I don't think it can get any better from now on.

So generally, only one new item a month which is BP ship will be available without spending, everything else is outdated stuff and not new. After completing the BP, what's the drive to compete? Cause having fun is something but it will get boring very quickly if all new stuff are locked, I understand exclusive items should be exclusive but all of the new items? Come on. How can you attract new players with such system?

What do you think about this direction?

I'm looking for something that is somewhat good for the current meta. My budget is 2,100 ac.

Which is the best among the following or should I consider buying something else?

1. HAL-AMCA

2. Super Etendard

3. Yak-141 Freestyle

4. F-35 Lightning II

5. Rafale M

Im writing this bcoz i often play with bots instead of online real players in domination mode. I hardly find the bots in team deathmatch mode. Isn't such a big chance to get more clan activity points within 10 minutes because each ship has 3 lives?

You can't get any clan activity points against bots. For example, you've destroyed 8 ships; that means you should get around 40-80 clan activity points, but turns out 6 of 8 ships are bots. So, you only get around 10-20 points.

I would like to know any opinion.

If you have excess gold or you're waiting for the sale in may and want one of those battleships: (Yamato, Missouri, Massa) then this is for you. We're gonna take a look at all 3 and compare them.

Disclaimer: This is for AC-Poor F2P players, so we're comparing them with each other and not with the entirety of battleships of the game. Also this is an opinion, the ultimate decision is yours.

So for starters, you need to understand 2 main things:

1. Massa is not a real battleship, and by that I mean it's classification is off, and that brings us to the 2nd point
2. What Is a battleship anyways?

A battleship is a large, heavily armoured warship designed for surface combat, featuring a main battery of high-calibre guns.

So while Massa may be heavily armed or armoured, it lacks the gun that makes it a real battleship. In fact Scharnhorst, a German WW2 battleship was questioned due to it’s relatively small guns (Same guns on Spee in the game).

"Does size matter? USS Massachusetts is a battleship with small guns"

Is what you may hear, and allow me to enlighten you, it does, because during the London/Washington naval treaty, not sure which, but the pre-ww2 one, Japan went around the treaty that limited the amount and size of capital vessels by building the cruiser Mogami as a non-capital light cruiser by giving it a small gun, then gave it a bigger heavy cruiser one. So guns decide the classification of the surface combatants, especially battleships.

Massa is basically a battlecruiser just like the Kirov and her sisters.

That leaves Missouri and Yamato. Both are real battleships, and were actually built. What we know about both ships is that they were both outdated by the time they entered service thanks to carriers. While Missouri enjoys a better AA, radar, and speed, Yamato had superior durability thanks to her design (Check the battle of the Sibuyan sea and Operation Ten-Go), her superior fire power and thicker armour.

Now for the actual comparison:

• Missile: ( 3 x YJ-20 for Massa) ( 3 x Type-07 SUM for Missouri)
• Torpedoes: (Type-89)
• Autocannon: Paket-NK
• AA: Garpun & KSAM (x2 On Massa)

POC	Yamato	Missouri	Massa
HP	611K	585K	539K
Speed	16.93 Knots	20.22 Knots	21.48 Knots
Agility	8.06	7.8	9.1
Concealment (Arial, because it is the furthest)	5.95 Km	5.24 Km (?)	5.33 Km (6% Stealth)
Surface Burst (DPM)	314,070 (1,434,281)	323,550 (1,399,750)	373,200 (Flareable --> 260,100Dmg) (DPM= 2,637,959)
Air DPM	108,960	445,653 (Bofors Included (Vs missiles = 125,159))	176,799
ASW DPM	---	677,061	1,847,687
Aviation	Biplanes	Heli	Heli

Numbers aside, what are the pros and cons generally?

POC	Yamato	Missouri	Massa
Pros	Heavy Unflareable firepower, very durable and restores HP more than any other ship. Has many biplanes, can be used as scouts (Historical use, and the best use for them here), fighters (When desperate), or strike (Best used to haunt an enemy submarine, except Belgorod).	The bridge between Massa and Yamato. Has missiles (ASW preferred). Big guns, but weaker than Yamato's and less accurate. Bofors cannon can shoot aircraft, manually, but will disturb aim. Fast and agile. Basically Kirov with less AA and bigger guns.	Fast and agile. Has stealth and is most concealed over all. The most AA and only one with torps. Has GL. Very Comparable to Pyotr Velikey. Same AA, Same missiles, less torps, more autocannons. Less GL, but superior gunnery.
Cons	No ASW, bad aa, Glacier like mobility and has the size and concealment of Mt. Fuji. No GL	No anti torpedo weapons, relatively mid AA potential. Bad concealment and is massive (More length than Yamato, but thinner). No GL	GL is locked, and will not last a 1 V 1 against neither Yamato nor Missouri. Can't compete as a real battleship, but more like a Battlecruiser

Relevance

Yamato	Missouri	Massa
Not very relevant as missile spamming is the current meta, especially not that there are many unflareable ones + the damn Hellcat. However, guns are still relevant so that's where Yamato shines best. Can half the HP of CVs and ACVs, and even Itself.	Somewhat relevant because it carries missiles and guns. However, it cannot get in the open with a Yamato, unless you really want to know the difference between a 406mm gun and a 460mm one. Good aa, but not enough against the insane swarms of unflareable missiles.	So uhh, wth is this thing? Personally I don't know how it is relevant. I mean, you're better off with Pyotr, the ship this one seems to struggle while keeping up with. This battlecruiser is only slightly relevant because of AA and torps, but then again, Pyotr does the same job, and having a locked GL isn't helping at all.
Battleships, Japanese WW2 ones, rely on carriers to provide cover. Their doctrine is opposite to that of the US, where they use surface ships to provide air cover, which explains Yamato's horrible AA. Best option is to find another ship, like Varyag, to provide air cover, especially against Ballistic missiles.	Missouri, like Yamato, preferably need an escorting ship. A team of Yamato and Missouri is something I don't wish on my worst enemy, especially small ones who decide to go in the open. I used Pyotr and didn't notice the 2 once, and I was in port in like 5 seconds. They are very situational and require strong teamplay and skill from the user, so they are NOT beginner friendly.	You get Less Gl, less torpedoes, for what? Some Railguns and an extra Auto cannon? Nah screw this thing. It has the same AA quantity as well. If Missouri is the bridge between the old and new warfare, this is a battlecruiser pretending to be a battleship. But being more modern has its charms, mainly suiting the meta more. Is still very useable and effective in the right hands, and I plan to buy it and Missouri, cause I already got Yamato

What You will love:

Yamato and Missouri	Massa
Deleting those Frigates in seconds	Feels familiar since it is a modern BB
Feeling Immortal, while making them aware of their Mortality.	Make submarines Wary of your presence

What You won't like:

Yamato	Missouri	Massa
Becoming a Carrier's punching bag.	Getting Bullied by a stray cat (Hellcat)	Not a BB, not a Cruiser
Moving like Titanic's Iceberg, hoping they ignore you till it's too late	Getting eliminated by Yamato's guns cause you can't block them	Getting oofed by any proper BB
POV: You hate Submarines and their steel dolphins + Ten-GO	POV: You hate the unflareable thingies, and the flying Kitty	POV: Identity crisis + Avoid confrontation with real battleships

Sooo, yeah. I personally picked Yamato because of my experience in WoWs legends, so I CAN shoot beyond 10Km, and even blind shooting. Missouri is great and more versatile, Massa is..... Massa. Depending on your preferences and playstyle, you can get any of them.

Yamato	Missouri	Massa
Gunnery experts	Gunnery experts	Subs fear you
Needs good map awareness	Can still attack subs	You feel hesitant about regular BBs
Subs = Nightmare	Do not use Bofors against air unless idle.	Locked Gl hampers your strength

Alternatives:

• Pyotr for Massa
• Missouri and Yamato have no Gold or Dollar alternatives.

See what ship you feel comfortable with the most and buy it, playstyle and situation can affect your efficiency with said ship.

• If you're a hesitant person or feel conflicted, get Missouri.
• If you can aim the guns right and you know when to be where, get Yamato.
• If you want a modern stealth battleship that fits the current meta the most get Massa.

Whatever you choose, remember: "Leave no regrets, cause you will get them all eventually"

The devs need to redo the Yamato so that the type-93 autocannon becomes an anti-aircraft gun, same with the Type-89 cannons (All 12 of them, Auto and manual) because they were all dual purpose like the Bofors on Missouri, and maybe then Yamato will be feared as should be. (Only shoot the Aircraft, no missiles, except Type-93 because it is an AA (13mm))

Good luck captains.

Edit: I added Massa's DPM, OMG that thing deals a lot of damage. However, Keep in mind that all but the guns and Massa's GL can be destroyed somehow. Massa is better at long fights, the other two should finish it ASAP, or they will suffer.

I will also add the Maximum surface DPM possible (At point-blank range, ambush mode) and include the autocannons.

1. Massa (2,637,959)
2. Yamato (1,764,795)
3. Missouri (1,399,750)

So yeah, Massa should prolong the fight, the other 2 should keep it brief. Once again, this is all theory, and Massa's DPM from missiles and torps will drop because of flares, AA, and anti-torpedo weapons.

If you have good market equipment, then Massa is your ship, if you don't have what it takes to properly equip Massa get Missouri or Yamato.

I'd like to thank (malik_rattlehead) for his comment, because it made me revise the stats once more.