r/MaouGakuinScaling

for Graham's context;

• Graham’s source is tied to nothingness/nonexistence. • interpret it as layered NEP2 or infinite layered nothingness. • The more he’s destroyed, the more abnormal his nothingness becomes. • He’s not just regenerating normally; his existence itself becomes difficult to define/interact with.

for Rimuru's context;

• Rimuru adapts through Ciel’s analysis. • Rimuru can gain resistances and counters over time. • Rimuru exists as a Digital Lifeform/information-particle being. • He has adapted to conceptual and existential attacks before

Light Novel Volume 4 Act 1, Chapter 6: A God's Lecture

Orders are the definition of why the concepts work how they work, explaining why a demon is Demon, why green is green, why God is god or why sky is sky. Gods embodying these orders are much like concepts, orders themselves are definitions than being concepts themselves. These concepts in MGK are Type 1 Concepts due to them exhibiting traits of Platonic Concepts within a limited radius of influence. Gods are physical manifestations of these Platonic Concepts, Platonic Concepts exist in the way gods cannot while Orders exist in realm of platonic forms, or definitions which are also platonic concepts

Light Novel Volume 10 Act 1, Chapter 25: Eques

The destruction of God does not mean the Order is destroyed or affected, meaning Order transcends Gods. Therefore, Order > Gods

Then doesn't this qualify for MGK having Definition Manipulation Ability? Anos, Noah, Amur & Zinnia in this sense would be undefined characters (that cannot be defined or are unbound to definitions) which means existence outside Meta Concept Manipulation hence even Reason Manipulation might not be enough to beat these 4 characters. What do you guys think?

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Base on the title and couple of chapters in WN he should be pretty OP. But is shu planning to make him as strong or probably even stronger than Anos?.

"At the beginning of the story, on the rooftop of Noir Academy, located in the world of Chrono Granbefius, Chrono Granbefius and Anos Voldigoad meet each other. It seems that Anos came there after hearing rumors that Chrono was an omniscient and omnipotent being. Chrono then demonstrates why he is called “omniscient” by saying, “The ruler of a distant world… the Tyrannical Demon King, huh.”

Anos shows interest in Chrono by saying, “If a truly omniscient and omnipotent being exists, then I would like to speak with him.” During their conversation, the topic of “favorite foods” comes up. Apparently, Chrono’s favorite food was fried mushrooms. However, his very body — an omniscient and omnipotent body — is something troublesome.

This is because everything tastes delicious to him, while at the same time, everything also tastes terrible. Even so, among all of that, the only flavor he can still clearly remember is the nostalgic taste of the meals his mother used to make for him.

However, in order to destroy that “logic,” the Demon King Anos activates the ＜Demonic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction＞ (<混滅の魔眼>). By doing so, he destroys the logic governing Chrono’s sense of taste, allowing him to experience flavors properly once again.

Afterward, Chrono also thanks Anos by treating him to a mushroom gratin. And so, as the two converse warmly like close friends, the story comes to an end"

Correction: There wasn't a fight between them; it was just Anos destroying logic without directly targeting Chrono. The person just told me everything that happened in the chapter.

I think that introducing Demdo Ivu Rayon in Maou Gakuin was a very big cheat because with it, the strongest beings who can deepen themselves without Demdo spells or hatred. How? Let me explain

In 2nd Panel, Zinnia took his own source out, which was none other than the Abyss Magic Agido itself. However he survied ripping his own source out of his body which usually kills high tier beings of silver sea

Source: Light Novel Volume 16: Twelve Deep Worlds Arc, Chapter 21: Inheritance of Abyss Magic

In 3rd Panel, Amur grasped his own source & begun to compound deepening the mass of ruin to destroy entire silver sea

Source: Light Novel Volume 17: Reincarnation World Arc, Chapter 39: The Seventh Step

Going by this conclusion, I think that abyssal tier characters in silver sea don't need demdo spells to deepen their abyss, they can simply grasp their source & continue to compound deepen it with <Demdo Ivu Rayon> (Black Septagram Grasping Demon Hand) until they transcend the destruction of 8th step Nirvana Conquest. By all feats mentioned in light novels, it isn't impossible for the likes of top 10 to actually do it

Wouldn't this just make MGK characters having bottomless potential? After all, deepening correlates to transcendence, what's stopping all the top 10 characters from transcending Agido depth?

Murga was born from the Absolute Vortex, so how strong is he, taking all his feats from Volume 17 of Light Novels? Did Murga suffered the most in entire series? How powrful would be full potential Murga?

How far rozan goes in Rezero verse