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I spent 18 months researching ancient Sumer for a debut novel. Here are 5 things that genuinely stopped me cold.

Historical fiction research rabbit holes are something else. I went in knowing Sumer was "the cradle of civilization." I came out with a completely different picture of what that actually means. A few things I didn't expect:

1. Writing was invented for accounting, not literature.

The oldest written texts we have from Sumer aren't prayers or poetry — they're receipts. Grain tallies. Temple inventory lists. Cuneiform started as a bookkeeping system for the temple economy. The first thing humanity felt compelled to write down was essentially 29 sheep received, 8 distributed. The Epic of Gilgamesh came later. Bureaucracy came first.

2. The first named author in human history was a woman.

Enheduanna, daughter of Sargon of Akkad, high priestess of the moon god Nanna at Ur. She wrote hymns around 2300 BC and signed them. By name. That's the oldest known attributed authorship in recorded history — not a Greek philosopher, not a Roman statesman. A Sumerian woman doing theology and poetry 4,300 years ago.

3. Civilization had an operating system, and it was called the Mes.

The Sumerians believed there were ~100 divine laws — the Mes — that governed everything: kingship, truth, descent into the underworld, the crafts, music, the scribal arts. They weren't metaphors. They were treated as real objects, stored in the underworld by the god Enki. There's a myth where Inanna gets Enki drunk and steals them, which is essentially a heist story about the transfer of civilization from one city to another. The Mes are the most fascinating concept I've encountered in any research for anything, ever.

4. Workers were paid in beer.

Not as a perk. As a standard wage. The Hymn to Ninkasi — a 3,900-year-old text — is both a prayer to the goddess of beer and a functional brewing recipe. Daily beer rations were recorded alongside grain. Beer was nutrition, currency, and social ritual simultaneously. Drinking through long reed straws from communal vessels was normal. The straws kept the fermentation solids out of your mouth.

5. The flood story in the Bible has a Sumerian version that's 1,000 years older.

The Epic of Gilgamesh contains a flood narrative — a man warned by a god, a great boat, animals, a dove sent out, the waters receding — that predates Genesis by roughly a millennium. Most scholars think the stories share a common source. Sumer keeps showing up as the origin point for things we assume came later.

Happy to go deeper on any of this if there's interest. The research alone has been worth it.

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u/PotentialMail8765 — 15 hours ago
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Not a single character found satisfaction at the end.

It’s bad enough that people kept dying, nobody was safe in that book. Then at the end I found that nobody was happy, nobody seemed to get what they wanted. Not a single happy ending to latch onto. I love it all the same, the historical representation of what it was to be out in the wild and how horses function was just breathtaking. Now all of a sudden I want to drive a bunch of cattle up to Wisconsin and maybe into Canada 🤣.

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u/AdditionalStar2504 — 17 hours ago

Eastern European history

I’m looking for recommendations.
I’m going on a cruise of the Danube [budapest to regensberg]
along with additional time in Nuremberg, Berlin, Prague.
I would love to read about this region.
I’ve enjoyed Edward Rutherford, James Michener. Something meaty that includes the history of the region.
English only. Thanks!

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u/Cute_Arm_6635 — 9 hours ago

History through fiction: the Middle Ages

Hey, not long ago I posted a few timelines on the best historical fiction novels on Rome. Well I just did the same for the Middle Ages, and I thought this might interest you. I also added national epics cause they can be quite good. Honestly, the amount of books written around Richard Lionheart is baffling.

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u/Sorry-Bookkeeper-287 — 19 hours ago

Book about a French woman who was part of a famous family sweets bakery before the French revolution and ends up in the Kings (English?) Court. Eventually makes her way back baking sweets.

There were pictures of colorful spiral castle spires on the front of the book.

I'm 99% sure she's French.

Adding in some other details bc it's driving me crazy still!!

It was a decently long book, the things that I remember was that it was heavily based on this woman's inherited skills as a confectionery person. She learned the trade from her dad. And I think there was some political stuff going on in the world at the time. It was definitely set in an older time period, maybe the early to mid 1800s. The book cover had the types of Russian architecture with the spirals and stuff on it. And I think at one point she was in a palace. The main character guy's name started with an A, I believe. And it's just her story as she goes through her life and moves up and progresses with her talents.

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u/mesmoneta — 1 day ago
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Looking for Beta Readers | Historical Fiction | Ancient Greece

Hi everyone,

I’m looking for a few beta readers for a completed historical fiction novelette titled:

WHERE THEY STOOD
A Chronicle of the Sacred Band of Thebes

The story follows the rise and fall of the Sacred Band of Thebes, the elite Theban military unit composed of 150 paired male couples who became one of the most formidable fighting forces in ancient Greece.

Rather than writing this as a fast-paced war novel, I approached it more like an observer recounting memory across time. The story is written almost like a reflective historical chronicle, as though someone is standing centuries later on the battlefield itself trying to understand what these men were, what they believed, and why they refused to break.

The focus is less on spectacle and more on:

• loyalty
• sacrifice
• mortality
• legacy
• brotherhood
• love under pressure
• how civilizations remember the dead
• what it means to “hold the line”

This is not fantasy and not romantasy.

It is heavily researched historical fiction grounded in recorded events surrounding:

• Pelopidas
• Epaminondas
• Tegyra
• Leuctra
• Chaeronea
• Philip II
• Alexander of Macedon

Tone/style:

• atmospheric historical fiction
• reflective war narrative
• character-driven history
• literary historical fiction

Details:

• Approx. 8,500 words
• 36 pages
• 9 chapters + prologue and epilogue
• Approx. average reading time: 35–50 minutes

A brief synopsis:

The Sacred Band of Thebes was unlike any military unit in the ancient world: 300 elite soldiers formed from bonded pairs who believed devotion to one another made them unbreakable in battle. Through victories that reshaped Greece and a final stand that became legend, the story traces the rise of the Band from experimental formation to immortal memory beneath the Lion of Chaeronea.

A short excerpt from the opening:

“The lion does not roar, does not bare its teeth, does not threaten or defend or warn. It simply watches — stone shaped into memory…”

I’m specifically looking for feedback on:

• pacing
• emotional impact
• readability
• historical immersion
• whether the writing stays engaging without becoming too dense
• whether the relationships feel authentic and grounded

Content notes:

• battle violence
• grief/loss
• historically accurate male relationships within the Sacred Band
• no explicit sexual content

If this sounds like something you’d enjoy reading, comment below or send me a DM and I’d be happy to share more details.

Thank you.

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History through fiction: making timelines out of historical novels

Hey I don't know if anyone's ever considered this, but I thought it would be interesting to compose timelines using historical fiction, so that if you want to learn history, you have a sort of guide on what are the best fictional books covering each era. So far I've done a fair bit, and there really has been so much written you can cover all of history through fiction. Here are some of the timelines below for Rome (Republic and Empire) tell me if I missed anything. I also sometimes write articles about these if anyone's interested, but I just thought this was a good idea.

https://preview.redd.it/jnzrzb5ynu1h1.png?width=1824&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d1a865e9214e6915232b99ea60a0269eb28f1c4

https://preview.redd.it/nv5reb5ynu1h1.png?width=1684&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c89e384d61c6de0a24e72fd4852ae43d757ae14

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u/Sorry-Bookkeeper-287 — 2 days ago

Historical novel in Klan-era Alabama - free link to radio interview discussion facts and fiction

hi folks,
Anyone interested in discussing the tension between fact and fiction in historical fiction novels? Have just republished my novel, Something Bigger, based on the true life of an Irish emigrant priest killed by the Ku Klux Klan in Alabama in 1921. It took me forever to research even though (or perhaps because?) it's based on my own family history.
In the process, i learned a lot about how research can weight things down, but is still needed, and would love to discuss. Here's a free link to an Irish radio interview I did discussing this:
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22604401/

u/islandtotheleft — 2 days ago

Historical Fiction Advice Needed

For a very long time I have been trying to develop a plan for a historical fiction novel set in the capitals of long-standing European states such as England, France, or Austria, between the 1800s and 1960s. I am experienced in writing but developing the scenario and deciding on the events that will take place is much more difficult for me than the actual writing part. Since I am still struggling with indecision regarding how and what will unfold in the novel I started two years ago, I cannot say I have finished even five percent of it. Generally I enjoy creating neo-Nazi-style villains with extreme ideas or, to give an example from real history, characters like Rasputin who possess a manipulative power great enough to poison the masses. ​I am fond of themes consisting of Gothic settings (manors, antique residences, operas), the modern era, extremist religious cults, popular uprisings and revolutions, mystical yet events that do not overstep enough to break realism but make the reader question things, vintage streets where horse-drawn carriages or early model cars roam, occultist experiments, gambling, making deals with a malevolent figure, assassinations, dramas of deep-rooted families, philosophy, international espionage, the clash of ideologies between different factions, thefts and heists, magnificent evening balls where something is going wrong in the background, auctions, underground societies, characters making references or nods to ancient times within the scope of theology and the history of religions, stage magic (for the purpose of deceiving people), and politically critical environments. I hope that with all these examples I have been able to visualize what I am looking for in your mind. I know it is a very broad spectrum. Implementing all the elements I love into a single story would mean creating numerous clashing logical errors. Therefore I am aware that I can never use all of them together. I have tried giving up on some ideas but I usually end up back where I started, at zero. ​When it comes to mysticism I want to open a separate parenthesis here. Until now I have been obsessed with ensuring that what I write is true to reality and free of anachronisms. However, looking at the types of books I love; The Picture of Dorian Gray, Frankenstein, Interview with the Vampire, Faust, The Master and Margarita, Dracula... All of these are Gothic, yet if the fantastical elements were removed, their plot skeletons would vanish. Still these are not fantasy works in the sense of having wizards throwing fireballs at each other, people cursing each other or teleporting, or fighting with lightsabers. I think I love devil and vampire themes set in the past that are detailed, realistic, and meticulously handled. Yet they are still cliches, aren't they? If you were to write this kind of novel without overdoing it would you put forward brand-new ideas that you were the first to find and use, or would you further develop existing ones? In other words should I break the cliches or play it safe? What would you suggest to me? Do you think I should set aside my "realism" requirement and be open-minded toward these mystical themes, processing them in a way that would be a first for me?

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u/Choice-Let9602 — 2 days ago
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The Guardian view on Middlemarch: the greatest novel in the English language

This Guardian piece can be seen here -- no paywall.

>.... The magic of the 19th-century realist novel is succumbing to its world for hundreds of pages, and never more so than when reading Eliot’s masterpiece. It is a joy to live among the gossipy, imperfect inhabitants of Middlemarch. The backdrop of local elections and national uncertainty are particularly timely, as are its lessons on sympathy and tolerance. As Amis observed, “it renews itself for every generation”.

>This is a novel about what it means to be good. And it is impossible to emerge from it unchanged. It is a celebration of the quiet heroism of unremarkable lives, all those who “rest in unvisited tombs” as the melancholy last line has it. With Middlemarch, Eliot showed what a novel could do. ....

By the way, as Middlemarch is set 40 years prior to Eliot's publication (1871 - 1872) of this great work of fiction, we can legitimately think of it as Historical Fiction as well!

u/Watchhistory — 4 days ago

Historical Fiction about the French Vineyards during WW2

Was enjoying a lovely grilled leg of lamb tonight with a bottle of Red Bordeaux and I can't remember exactly how the conversation turned to WW2 historical fiction set in the vineyards of France, but it did. I think the only historical fiction I have read, that was set in France, was The Nightingale by Kristin Hannah (which I absolutely loved). Some authors I tend to enjoy are James Michener, Leo Tolstoy, Edward Rutherfurd, Gore Vidal, Sharon Kay Penman. Would love suggestions for historical fiction set around the wine industry and vineyards of France during WW2.

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u/ladyofthemist — 2 days ago

What are some great historical fiction books for learning more about the history of voting rights in the US?

Like the title says - looking for recommendations to learn more about this subject.

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u/CertainBet9694 — 2 days ago

Any praise or criticism for The Long Ships by Bengtsson?

I'm thinking about picking this up and wondered how others found it, thanks in advance!

u/Geetright — 5 days ago

Do you think this criticism of this historical fiction movie is valid?

One of the first historical movies that got my attention, was 1993's Swing Kids. It's about a trio of teenage boys in Nazi Germany, who attend swing parties in defiance of Nazi Germany... only to be slowly torn about by the Third Reich's nightmarish brainwashing.

Siskel and Ebert loathed the movie because it only showed 2 scenes of people getting taken away, and the Nazi's antisemitism took a relative backseat. I personally think they are completely missing the point. That's not the story the movie wants to tell. It wants to highlight the manipulative and corrupting side of the Nazi's by showing how easily they could turn even the kindest Germans into the most vile Germans. It also shows the Nazi's censorship of the media, and how ruthless they could be with brainwashing people. In other words, the movie shows the psychological horror of the Nazi's.

What do you think? Think Siskel and Ebert's criticism was valid?

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u/godzillavkk — 5 days ago

Recommendations for historical fiction books that are approachable/ easy to read

Sorry if this has been asked before. I'm looking for historical fiction books that are easy to read. I have a stressful life and I need some escape that isn't more work. Some ones I've enjoyed have been the wolf den ,lady Tremaine and all the light you cannot see.

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u/poppycat82 — 6 days ago
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A historical romance involving the Romani/Andalusian gitana/gitano culture

Even if it is solely a historical novel without the romance. It is such a difficult topic to find any novels on. I have plenty of non-fiction on it but no fiction and would like to see how this is represented in novel form (and if accurate).

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u/DandyasaDandelion — 5 days ago

Suggestions

If you had to pick out of the following series, what would be your choice ?

For context, my favourite series are the warlord chronicles and the saxon stories by cromwell, and the conqueror series by iggulden

Boudica series - Manda Scott

Gates of fire - Steven pressfield

Lionheart series - Ben kane

Wolf Hall series - hilarious mantel

Arthurian series - Giles Kristian

Raven series - Giles Kristian

War of the roses series - conn igulden

The accursed kings series - Maurice druon

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u/Jamiemca — 5 days ago
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Welsh and Scottish Marshes

Are there any good books (fiction or non-fiction) about the Scottish or Welsh marshes? I feel like there are some interesting stories to be told about people living in and around these boarders.

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u/Immediate-Neck-3915 — 7 days ago

good short romance historical fiction (little to no fantasy)

hello,

looking for good romance books.

- preferably short (like 250p max)

- can have fantasy elements but not too much

- no comedy

- any time period

I have not much experience in "romance" books so I want to try it, maybe it will be easier for me with "non completely fantasy world romance".

Ideally it would combine serious themes like society, class struggles with a touch of romance.

I had throught of Pride and Prejudice but it's 400 pages - maybe if you convince me it's the one I looking for I can read it.

thank you !!

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u/Ojake06 — 6 days ago